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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Someone else put it very well in another thread: ME 2 is like playing baseball with a violin - some people will find it "cool", but it's a lot of wasted potential.

That's a great analogy.

About Joker...I don't really blame him for doing what he did.  It was the heat of the moment and he wanted to save the ship.  He was grounded for it, which I think is fitting, and I don't think he deserved a court-marshalling.

It was not really in the heat of battle. Even before you gain control of Shep the situation is already out of hand, and everyone should abandon ship. Joker disobeyed direct orders.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Is that your work, Lizard?! Prepare to DIE!

So be it jedi!

[IndigoWolfe]

Look, another argument and another reason to be depressed is not something I need today.



Suffice to say, all I --idly-- said was is that I think, from a visual standpoint, it would be interesting to see Liara wearing Feron's trench coat. I wasn't commenting on the whole "Liara loves Feron" business --I think it's ludicrous.

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

It was not really in the heat of battle. Even before you gain control of Shep the situation is already out of hand, and everyone should abandon ship. Joker disobeyed direct orders.

He did disobey the order, yes.  I just think court-marshalling would be a bit much.  Doesn't matter, he joined up with Cerberus for whatever reason.  Though, it's odd...he just sat there for two years and didn't fly until Shepard was able to command the new Normandy.

[Asheer_Khan]

jlb524 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Someone else put it very well in another thread: ME 2 is like playing baseball with a violin - some people will find it "cool", but it's a lot of wasted potential.

That's a great analogy.

About Joker...I don't really blame him for doing what he did.  It was the heat of the moment and he wanted to save the ship.  He was grounded for it, which I think is fitting, and I don't think he deserved a court-marshalling.

Normandy 1 was Alliance ship and Joker was bounded to Alliance military rules.
So disobeying direct order of commanding officer is consider among military as 1 grade fellony for that you will end in life term prison without right to early release or appeal, however if you will have good advocate and he will be able to proven that disobeying order didn't caused more harm than benefit punishment would be kick out from military without any rights to post service benefits.

But to made things worst Joker's action did caused death of his commanding officer... and for that penalty is only one.

I am more than sure that near him in the first moment of the attack was in off people to help him to board escape pod (Ash, Garrus and maybe even Wrex not to mention regular crew) but his overgrown ego "I am best pilot in the whole galaxy" made him blind at obvious conclusion that Normandy was doomed right after first hits.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 18 mai 2010 - 08:07 .

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Is that your work, Lizard?! Prepare to DIE!

Just kidding.

Also, Liara wearing Feron's trenchcoat is daft. I'd prefer her to have an "N7" mark on her armour!

that would be sweet!

[LiquidGrape]

I think both Joker and Chakwas' reasons for joining up with cerberus were hard to swallow.

Honestly; join up with a militant pro-human group known for its (ironically) inhuman reputation, and then spend the rest of the game feebly trying to disassociate themselves from the organisation?

Weak. Really, really weak.

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Maybe he flew other vessels for Cerberus in the mean time.

That's what I was thinking...he was complaining about the Alliance not letting him fly, so he must have been doing some of it with Cerberus (or he'd be complaining they didn't let him fly).

Dr. Chakwas is a newer Cerberus addition, though.  She came on when Shepard did, as she mentions she spent the past two years at various Alliance postings.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To be honest, I don't care that Joker disobeyed Shepard's order. That doesn't bother me, he freaking loves that ship.

What annoyed me is his callous attitude to the fact that he's partially to blame for Shepard dying, and consequently Liara being in the predicament she finds herself in now. There's no apology, no remorse. Nothing. I know Joker is supposed to be the comic relief, sarcastic character, but the way they wrote his character for his reunion with Shepard was appalling. Made him pretty unlikable.

Wonder what Liara thinks of him?

While i also really don't care that he ignored orders. The fact that joker never says sorry make him look a little ungrateful, he also acts as if he's insulted by the fact that the alliance grounded him.

To make matters worse. He actuelly gets angry at Shepard for "abandoning them" during the crew abductions. <_<

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LiquidGrape wrote...

I think both Joker and Chakwas' reasons for joining up with cerberus were hard to swallow.
Honestly; join up with a militant pro-human group known for its (ironically) inhuman reputation, and then spend the rest of the game feebly trying to disassociate themselves from the organisation?
Weak. Really, really weak.

At least they tried to disassociate out of honesty, whereas Shepard hid like a coward behind the "reaper thread".

Honestly, its just par for the course in ME2: Shepard is an unlikeable ****** now whom I have little control over. The squad are expendable whiners whose almost entire existence in game revolves around their "personal errand". The supporting cast have crappy reasons to try and justify crappy roles, and the plot is weak and stupid.

[jlb524]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Normandy 1 was Alliance ship and Joker was bounded to Alliance military rules.
So disobeying direct order of commanding officer is consider among military as 1 grade fellony for that you will end in life term prison without right to early release or appeal, however if you will have good advocate and he will be able to proven that disobeying order didn't caused more harm than benefit punishment would be kick out from military without any rights to post service benefits.

You might be right...I don't know enough about Alliance/military rules.  They did give him a pretty light punishment, though, so it's either:

1)  The writers didn't think about that/give a crap.
2)  The Alliance went easy on him for some reason.

[Asheer_Khan]

OK Joker... we need to talk about what happened on the Normandy at that day

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

When Joker said something like "move it commander, Im not losing another normandy" when youre escaping the collector ship, I would have loved to have Shepard threaten to kill or maim joker at that point for such an insulting remark.

Sadly as this is a "third person narrative" of crappy writing, where the protagonist is an emotionally crippled ******, Shepard responds with a trademark

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 18 mai 2010 - 08:15 .

[TMA LIVE]

Just finished my insanity run in ME1. And I gotta say, I HATE YOU AUTO SAVE! AND YOU TOO UNC ASSIGNMENTS!. Anyways, wasn't really that hard, once you get immunity, but it's still frustrating when you have to redo an hour just because it never AUTO SAVED between 3 fricken locations!

Anyways, here's something weird. Instead of getting the confrontation between Kaidan and Liara, the game seemed to just defaulted to Liara, because I unlocked her sex talk after finishing Kaidan's "I can't wait till we have shore leave, to get a chance to talk!" Which kind of suck, because I wanted to go with my original plan, which has "romance both, pick Kaidan, Kaidan dies, romance Liara in ME3". Now I'm debating to either go forward in ME2, or just redo most of my game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

My connection will be cut in a minute.



Oh well....



Bye bye!

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, here's something weird. Instead of getting the confrontation between Kaidan and Liara, the game seemed to just defaulted to Liara, because I unlocked her sex talk after finishing Kaidan's "I can't wait till we have shore leave, to get a chance to talk!" Which kind of suck, because I wanted to go with my original plan, which has "romance both, pick Kaidan, Kaidan dies, romance Liara in ME3". Now I'm debating to either go forward in ME2, or just redo most of my game.

That's odd...I always get the confrontation at some point.  I wouldn't count on being able to romance Liara without having romanced her in ME1, though.  That would be cool, but might take extra effort, unless they just reset the entire romance for all.

[Asheer_Khan]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe they were quite leniet with Joker's punishment due to his role in defeating Sovereign? He did land the final, killing blow with the Normandy, after all.

Still, directly disobeying your commanding officer's orders, which results in her death, should have a pretty heavy price to pay. He got off lightly, IMO.

I wonder if Liara ever had to testify at some point?

Doubtful, it's more possible that they made fast files cleaning and every sapect of what happened there did recive label "TOP SECRET"

Really i hope (however faster bananas will start growing on the North Pole) that i will have chance to get rid of Joker in ME 3... but bigger chance is that he will comeback in whole "glory" even as LI... <_<<_<<_<...

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 18 mai 2010 - 08:20 .

[Turdmuncher38]

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Is that your work, Lizard?! Prepare to DIE!

So be it jedi!

we shall see mr drell  (pulls out pistol)