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[bjdbwea]

Ecael wrote...

You have to admit, although the writers are great at developing a character, they don't know how to handle the romance section.

Great at developing a character? You say that based on ME 2? I was unimpressed. There were a few occasions where the writing shone, yes, but mostly it was flat. Much better in ME 1, just like the romances. BioWare knew how to handle romances back then, it's just that they didn't want or weren't allowed to this time.

[jlb524]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

[Sunnie]

Ecael is correct. They can develope characters, but they are still clueless with romance. Honestly, it doesn't take a lot to hire a novelist to write some short story romances to work off of, quite ecconomical in fact.

[Jack Package]

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

Oh my god was it this where some guy said that FemShep had special 'needs' because she was like 2 years gone or something? Or am I mixing stuff up.

[Asheer_Khan]

Ecael wrote...

Cartims wrote...

@Ecael

I would still like to know WHAT VALID REASONS ?

Including romances in the first game of a trilogy that carries over your decisions causes major complications (more than just Paragon/Renegade dialogue choices), especially if you want to introduce new characters in each game.

It would have been very easy to recruit them in Mass Effect 2 otherwise.

You have to admit, although the writers are great at developing a character, they don't know how to handle the romance section.

(And yes, if you would like me to provide reasoning or evidence for any of those three statements, I will, but it will result in huge blocks of text - I warned you!)

Sorry to burst your bubble but ME games are NOT TRILOGY!

After ME 2 introduction those games become no more no less but STAND ALONES  connected ONLY by name Mass Effect in title.

And what developing of characters you saw in ME2?

Unless you romanced one of them dialog wheel ends after two or three talks (Character introduction, L-mission descryption, post l-mission "briefing")...

Try to talk whit Garrus - Sorry busy calibrating!.
Tali - Sorry Shepard but i need to clean sterile clean engine... and further idiocy.

Playing ME 2 my char was ALONE on ship full of people and that's rather bad sign for game aspired to role of the RPG game, when in ME 1 i spend lot of time running between decks and talking whit all characters learning thier history without necessity of romancing them.

You are right about one thing.
Whoever is responsabile for romance part of the ME 2 should be FIRED and on his/her place should come someone who known true definition of romance plot.

[Asheer_Khan]

Jack Package wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

Oh my god was it this where some guy said that FemShep had special 'needs' because she was like 2 years gone or something? Or am I mixing stuff up.

Yep... that was this interview, and this was rather very disrespectfull stuff showing how high "regard" Bioware have for femShep...<_<<_<<_<.

An sorry i don't have link to that interview because i saw him by absolute accident.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

Yes. Asheer do you by any chance still have the link to the interview?

"EDIT" okay, you don't have it! Would have been hilarious to read through!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 19 mai 2010 - 04:53 .

[Sunnie]

@Sombody

Thats just.. wrong.

[jlb524]

Jack Package wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

Oh my god was it this where some guy said that FemShep had special 'needs' because she was like 2 years gone or something? Or am I mixing stuff up.

I know various forum goers have posted that theory, but I do not know if BW devs have confirmed it.  That would be ridiculous and sad if they did.

[Noxis6]

Shavon wrote...

Yeah, tbh, Tali and Garrus comes to mind when you mention 'Bioware' and 'character development'. Tali was butchered beyond belief into this silly, subservient hero-worshipper, and Garrus was destroyed as the poster-turin of EPIC FAIL. No, they could have done a much better job, but Mac Walters got his hands on too much. Sorry, I do nOT agree with that statement. Bw dropped the ball on character development, in the Mass Effect Universe.

Well at least in the case of Tali and Garrus you could still say "These are the characters that were with me in ME1",in Liaras case that was a perfect character assasination,with no explaination nothing it got just shoved onto the players and we had to deal with it
Even beyond the old squad character development was flawed,for example what leads to Miranda quiting Cerberus in the paragon ending,I mean you never manage to make a dent in her loyality to them while discussing their crimes or at any other point it comes out of nowhere
And dont get me started about Shepards development,if I look at that Project Lazarus seems more unfinished then just the facial scars,s/he comes across as nearly completely apathetic concering everything around him/her

[jlb524]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Yep... that was this interview, and this was rather very disrespectfull stuff showing how high "regard" Bioware have for femShep...<_<<_<<_<.

An sorry i don't have link to that interview because i saw him by absolute accident.

If this is true, then I will be an angry Panda.  I will look for the link myself before I go off on a feminst rage, though.  

[Asheer_Khan]

I think by accident Somebody created picture of the first in entire species history male Asari

EDIT:

I doubt that anyone will be able to find that interview now and even if, then i am more athan sure that Bioware will "dismiss that claims" telling us crap that reporter missinterpreted whole context.<_<

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 19 mai 2010 - 04:58 .

[Jack Package]

jlb524 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

I remember once read interview whit one of the core Bioware -Edmonton staff about why femShep behave so idiotic when comes to Jacob romance...
Believe me... it was first time when i read so open full sexist approach... from that interview Bioware ultimately lost any respect in my eyes.

Do you still have the link to this interview by chance?

Oh my god was it this where some guy said that FemShep had special 'needs' because she was like 2 years gone or something? Or am I mixing stuff up.

I know various forum goers have posted that theory, but I do not know if BW devs have confirmed it.  That would be ridiculous and sad if they did.

Yes, I wasn't sure if it was from this interview or from the forums. Asheer just said that it was in the interview...
It's not only disrespectful, ridiculous or sad, most of all it does not make any sense.<_<

[bjdbwea]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Playing ME 2 my char was ALONE on ship full of people and that's rather bad sign for game aspired to role of the RPG game, when in ME 1 i spend lot of time running between decks and talking whit all characters learning thier history without necessity of romancing them.

I agree, with one exception: Kelly. Only character besides Wrex and Conrad who seemed to care about Shepard at all. How ironic when they didn't even made Kelly a proper romance option. But then again, maybe it was because she wasn't forced into the same corset that apparently nowadays BioWare thinks is required for every LI.

[Ecael]

Okay, the reply I'm about to post is ridiculously massive - I don't even have time to proofread it.



I'm not sure if I should post it or not...

[jlb524]

Jack Package wrote...

Yes, I wasn't sure if it was from this interview or from the forums. Asheer just said that it was in the interview...
It's not only disrespectful, ridiculous or sad, most of all it does not make any sense.<_<

It makes no sense to me since all my Shepards are lesbians.

I guess Jacob is that awesome he can turn lesbians straight.

[jlb524]

Ecael wrote...

Okay, the reply I'm about to post is ridiculously massive - I don't even have time to proofread it.

I'm not sure if I should post it or not...

Do it!!!

We will pick it apart, though.

[Ecael]

jlb524 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Okay, the reply I'm about to post is ridiculously massive - I don't even have time to proofread it.

I'm not sure if I should post it or not...

Do it!!!

We will pick it apart, though.

Okay.