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[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They should have tailor made each individual squadmate's Paragon/Renegade advice so that it's believeable for their character. They actually did do this with the Rachni Queen, as regardless of the second squaddie Liara always counsels forgiveness and advises that Shepard release her, whereas Wrex always wants the Rachni exterminated.

They should have had it so that, for example, Liara and Kai always give Paragon advice, both Wrex and Tali would be sceptical of saving the Council due to the way in which they treated their respective races. Something like that.

this would have been nice. Hearing what some of them would say always made it seem strange at times when it wasnt in line with their personalities lol 

[Mithran88]

lol hey Erinlana

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They should have tailor made each individual squadmate's Paragon/Renegade advice so that it's believeable for their character. They actually did do this with the Rachni Queen, as regardless of the second squaddie Liara always counsels forgiveness and advises that Shepard release her, whereas Wrex always wants the Rachni exterminated.

They should have had it so that, for example, Liara and Kai always give Paragon advice, both Wrex and Tali would be sceptical of saving the Council due to the way in which they treated their respective races. Something like that.

Of course they should have done that, but it would've been even more work. When I see how in ME 2 no companion has any opinion, I know what I prefer. They probably knew it wasn't perfect, so they removed the feature altogether. I wonder if for ME 3 they're going to remove all features that weren't perfect in ME 2 too. What would be left?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 21 mai 2010 - 04:56 .

[Nozybidaj]

Noxis6 wrote...

Well chances are they will reset the romances with Ash/Kaidan and Liara so we have to start from square one again and it will end with the usual scene before the final battle,also I imagine that would only be the case should they really be squadmates again

Should they really go the route and ram Liara character completely into the ground with a potential Shadow Broker DLC and have her replace him,I guess that would mean she will sit behind a new desk on a random planet in ME3,in that case Bioware can again reduce it to a few extra lines without putting much effort into it

Frankly I wouldnt be totally suprised if they throw yet another bunch of new romances at us in ME3 and reduce the ME2 ones to "Just flings,nothing serious"

I imagine this as much as anything was the reason for being written out of ME2.  Reset all the romances back to square one so each LI only needs one romance path in ME3, which is pretty much what they have now, at least as far as the ME1 LI's are concerned, which I doubt will get much attention in ME3 anyway.  I'd be extremely surprised if they are anything but cameos/npc's again.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Of course they should have done that, but it would've been even more work. When I see how in ME 2 no companion has any opinion, I know what I prefer. They probably knew it wasn't perfect, so they removed the feature altogether. I wonder if for ME 3 they're going to remove all features that weren't perfect in ME 2 too. What would be left?

Planet scanning apparently, if you put any stock in what Casey Hudson says.

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Of course they should have done that, but it would've been even more work. When I see how in ME 2 no companion has any opinion, I know what I prefer. They probably knew it wasn't perfect, so they removed the feature altogether. I wonder if for ME 3 they're going to remove all features that weren't perfect in ME 2 too. What would be left?

Planet scanning apparently, if you put any stock in what Casey Hudson says.

And the character of Jack, because she's complex.

Oh wait, he said people don't really like her...nvm.

Modifié par jlb524, 21 mai 2010 - 05:06 .

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...
I agree. They have done so much damage, I wonder if it's possible to fix it in a single game. That goes for Liara as well as the rest of the game and story. It would probably be possible if the writers and developers were left alone and given the time they need to do it. Fat chance... <_<

The best thing we might realistically get is a romance of the length, quality and depth from those of ME 2. <_<

But my expectations for ME 3 are zero anyway. I wouldn't even be surprised if there was no Liara at all, or if they would kill her. <_<

I'm sure she'll be there in one form or another.  Whether or not Liara fans will actually enjoy it or not is another question, and one I doubt BW is bothering to ask.  

And no, I don't think it is possible to fix it in a single game unless they are just going to completely ignore everything that happened in ME2 and go an entirely new direction.  Of course considering that is what they did in ME2 with regards to ME1, I suppose it isn't entirely out of the question.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Of course they should have done that, but it would've been even more work. When I see how in ME 2 no companion has any opinion, I know what I prefer. They probably knew it wasn't perfect, so they removed the feature altogether. I wonder if for ME 3 they're going to remove all features that weren't perfect in ME 2 too. What would be left?

Planet scanning apparently, if you put any stock in what Casey Hudson says.

And the character of Jack, because she's complex.

Oh wait, he said people don't really like her...nvm.

Like they care about that. <_<

So, plannet scanning, Jack, and probably heat sinks make a big return in ME3.  That's about it I suppose.

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm sure she'll be there in one form or another.  Whether or not Liara fans will actually enjoy it or not is another question, and one I doubt BW is bothering to ask.  

I'd say it's a guaranteed deal that Liara will appear in ME3 for at least a second.  Will it be more than that? IDK.  If it is more, will it be acceptable to most Liara fans?  IDK.

[bjdbwea]

I think the Tali romance will continue too, and beautifully of course.

[jlb524]

yorkj86 wrote...

Didn't he also say that people tend to like Jack if they get to know her?  I can't find the article link.

I don't know, that whole section confused me....I don't quite understand 'Casey-speak'.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Didn't he also say that people tend to like Jack if they get to know her?  I can't find the article link.

I don't know, that whole section confused me....I don't quite understand 'Casey-speak'.

You have to be an asexual non-female lesbian to understand it.

[Lord Zeuss]

I made a poll that should be easy enough for you guys.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I made a poll that should be easy enough for you guys.

Voted for the creepy secretary, and commented!

voted+commented on Nyxeris

[Erinlana]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hi Erin!

Here, have a kissy Liara:

 thankies !

I like your idea that Liara would get the most devolping time , gives her a richer role in the game

Ahh *day dreams of Liara again*

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I want to have Kaidan as my second squadmate, alongside Liara, when I next playthrough ME1, but I'm so reluctant to as I hate seeing Liara act so OOC and give the Renegade advice, haha!

Seriously though, listening to Liara telling Shepard to sacrifice the Citadel Council is just plain bizarre.

That's one bad thing about ME1...a squad mate can act OOC depending on who else is in the part.  Both Liara and Kaidan should tell you to save the Council (unless Kaidan has been romanced and turned more Renegade).

Agreed. Its one of the flaws of ME1 that it puts more emphasis on a "paragon" and a "renegade" response from the squadmates, rather than their own personal opinions.

Its one thing ME2 did better.

And then made worse.

ME2 had the opportunity to offer the characters own thoughts on views on a range of things. Instead, the only views they have by my reckoning is on their own loyalty missions.

I love how people claim ME2 was "deeper". They were by far more shallow. Practically all they seemed to care about is either their own personal mission, or the romance they have with Shepard. Besides that they are barren. I missed that with the ME1 squad, where you were talking to characters involved in the bigger events. Besides a few useless questions from time to time about things like "our chances", it seemed by and large the ME2 squad were only involved in their personal errands.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 21 mai 2010 - 05:25 .

[Marcin K]

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[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
I love how people claim ME2 was "deeper". They were bar far more shallow. Practically all they seem to care about is either their own personal mission, or the romance they have with Shepard. Besides that they are barren. I missed that with the ME1 squad, where you were talking to characters involved in the bigger events. Besides a few useless questions from time to time, it seem by and large the ME2 squad were only involved in their personal errands.

Well I suppose it depends on whether it was intentional or not.  Where as the ME1 squad feels like a group that came together and became friends and comrades over the course of the game I don't think the ME2 squad was intended to do or feel the same.  Why would Grunt give two fracks about Tali, or Jack about Thane? 

This isn't supposed to be a big family get together, its a group of professionals doing a job.    If they end up involved with Shep, so be it, but they aren't there to be your pal.  They are there to get a job done.

At least that is the way I interpret it assuming it was an intentional choice in designing the group.  If that isn't the vibe they intended, then yeah, it was just poor execution and writing. 

Given the precedents the rest of the game sets, it probably is the later rather than the former. /shrug

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 21 mai 2010 - 05:30 .

[Marcin K]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
I love how people claim ME2 was "deeper". They were bar far more shallow. Practically all they seem to care about is either their own personal mission, or the romance they have with Shepard. Besides that they are barren. I missed that with the ME1 squad, where you were talking to characters involved in the bigger events. Besides a few useless questions from time to time, it seem by and large the ME2 squad were only involved in their personal errands.

Well I suppose it depends on whether it was intentional or not.  Where as the ME1 squad feels like a group that came together and became friends and comrades over the course of the game I don't think the ME2 squad was intended to do or feel the same.  Why would Grunt give two fracks about Tali, or Jack about Thane? 

This isn't supposed to be a big family get together, its a group of professionals doing a job.    If they end up involved with Shep, so be it, but they aren't there to be your pal.  They are there to get a job done.

At least that is the way I interpret it assuming it was an intentional choice in designing the group.  If that isn't the vibe they intended, then yeah, it was just poor execution and writing. 

Given the precedents the rest of the game sets, it probably is the later rather than the former. /shrug

you are totally right here in my opinion, as from the beginning of ME1 i felt my crew to be 'my' [Shep's] family-ME2 feels just like a bundle of random people.....*meh*