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[Mithran88]

This just goes more hand in hand with why I think they kept Liara in the dark in ME2. She will play a much larger role in ME3. Though they really need to get her back onto the squad and romance lvl with Shepard again. Judging by the clues they will. =D

[Mithran88]

kraidy1117 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oooh, the Shadow Broker is the last Prothean? Very interesting theory.

I can't imagine if that were the case he'd still be "alive" in an organic way. Perhaps this last Prothean downloaded his consciousness and personality into an AI, and not lives on digitally? Kind of like a sentient and sapient version of Vigil? Given how Liara reacted to Vigil, and wanted to spend as much time as possible talking to him and learning about the Protheans, I'm sure she'd be extremely conflicted about exterminating the Shadow Broker if he is what remains of the Protheans. He holds all of the answers to her life long passion in the Protheans.

Yeah, I really like that theory.

I think the SB should be Liaras father or something like that. If the SB is just some random dude then the choice to kill him would be easy and a waste of time. ME2 had many hard choices (Genophage cure reserch, the Geth rewrite decsion and the Collector base) These challanged your moral and ethics very well and for osmething as big as the SB to be a easy decsion would be cheap.

kinda off topic but i favored the geth rewrite simply b/c at a war viewpoint that makes them more powerfull vs the reapers. Though at same time i thought what if the virus has an unknown effect and makes them all work for the reapers... either way I think they will be on Shep's side.

Modifié par Mithran88, 21 mai 2010 - 06:49 .

[kraidy1117]

Mithran88 wrote...

This just goes more hand in hand with why I think they kept Liara in the dark in ME2. She will play a much larger role in ME3. Though they really need to get her back onto the squad and romance lvl with Shepard again. Judging by the clues they will. =D

This is what I look at it, it's no secret that Bioware only sidelined Ash, Kaidan and liara because they wanted to focus on the new characters and for people to build bonds with them, they also brought back Tali and Garrus for fan demand and because some players would feel better with old faces in there team. They also wanted you to cheat on your ME LI because they have something planed. Thats the real reason thy where not sidelined, if Bioware can't bring back the ME2 squadmates for ME3 as recruitable, then don't suspect Ash, Kaidan or Liara to alse be recruitable.

[jlb524]

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

Like it being the last Prothean Jib? I also beleive that the SB might also be indoctrinated my self.

[Blameless77]

I'm almost certain that the SB will end up being a figure who is at least partially sympathetic, or more 'grey' than mustache-twirling evil. At least I hope this is the case. The end result of any mission to take out the SB should have Liara and Shepard questioning whether destroying him/her/it is really worth it.

[bjdbwea]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The whole point of ME2 was to meet these characters, learn about them, build bonds with them, befriend them and care for them.

If that was the point, then apart from the meeting part, it mostly failed. I also disagree with the rest of your post, but this is too off-topic. Let's keep it focused on discussing Liara, the good things as well as the bad.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The whole point of ME2 was to meet these characters, learn about them, build bonds with them, befriend them and care for them.

If that was the point, then apart from the meeting part, it mostly failed. I also disagree with the rest of your post, but this is too off-topic. Let's keep it focused on discussing Liara, the good things as well as the bad.

It did't fail at all, just because you and the vocal minority did't build bonds means nothing. Majority of the fans of ME2 did build bonds with the characters and care for them. Your opinion is not law nor is right. Bioware goes by the mass and the mass loved and fell in love with the new characters.

[kraidy1117]

I kinda hope SB is more like TIM but the opposite. While TIM is calm SB is not. I think it would be intresting if both where similar but diffrent at the same time.

[Marcin K]

Mithran88 wrote...

like we find a prothean weapon to add to uniting the whole galaxy to the reaper threat? Took a lot of our ships to take 1 reaper out, judging how many more are on their way...

maybe the prothean-styled version of this thing would do the job?

:devil::devil::devil:

Modifié par Marcin R, 21 mai 2010 - 07:01 .

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

Like it being the last Prothean Jib? I also beleive that the SB might also be indoctrinated my self.

That would work.  I also think the SB might be 'lightly' indoctrinated as Saren was in ME1.  The SB can still function at a higher level and isn't completely lost to indoctrination (like Benezia).

[LiquidGrape]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

You know you want it.

[kraidy1117]

I like TIMs suit.....

[Mithran88]

lol more than likely the reapers were built somewhere, the first one anyways.. If anything still exists of what started the whole cycle the protheans seemed to have some knowledge of this cycle as well. Like said before a control center might exist? doubtful but still a possibility maybe we learn it exists and a prothean mass relay is only way there but its lost or not working correctly.The shadowbroker knows of it and you have to get to him to find out yet facing him since he is against Shep and Liara... Would also maybe take Liara's expertise to figure it out, or get it working again?

[Mithran88]

kinda just tossing stuff out there lol

[Mithran88]

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

You know you want it.

i actually think the illusive man will get indoctrinated or something funny xD in ME3:o

Modifié par Mithran88, 21 mai 2010 - 07:09 .

[kraidy1117]

I still think that not all Reapers are ships. We have only saw Reaper ships, however we did see that Reaper-Human that when it's legs where made would have been a foot soldeir, I have a feeling there is more types of Reapers then the cuttlefish kind.

[jlb524]

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want the SB to be some simple 'bad guy' that gets taken down and then forgotten about.  I hope they make it more interesting, add some conflict...the ideas people have here are better than the 'bad guy that just needs to be stopped'.

You know you want it.

I do! 

[Blameless77]

Mithran88 wrote...

lol more than likely the reapers were built somewhere, the first one anyways.. If anything still exists of what started the whole cycle the protheans seemed to have some knowledge of this cycle as well. Like said before a control center might exist? doubtful but still a possibility maybe we learn it exists and a prothean mass relay is only way there but its lost or not working correctly.The shadowbroker knows of it and you have to get to him to find out yet facing him since he is against Shep and Liara... Would also maybe take Liara's expertise to figure it out, or get it working again?

I kind of wonder if Bioware is actually going to explain the origins of the Reapers. It's a pretty tall order to do in one game considering we know basically nothing at this point (we know how they reproduce, but not where they came from). Additionally, part of what makes the Reapers a great enemy is the total aura of mystery. Once something becomes knowable it becomes, if not mundane, at least less threatening. 

I do think Prothean tech still has a role to play and Liara (as the only assured surviving party member) will be there to help Shepard decipher it. It makes sense for Bioware to play to Liara's strengths in terms of plot since she's guaranteed to be there imo.

[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

There was not alot of focus on the characters at all in ME expect for Garrus and Wrex.

Are you serious? I know they are your favorites (and we completely disagree on Garrus^_^), but Garrus and Wrex were optional in ME1.
ME1
Liara: mind reading
Tali: the evidence

ME2
Miranda: Lazarus project
Modrin: science/Horizon

There is no difference imo.

Modifié par Barquiel, 21 mai 2010 - 07:14 .

[kraidy1117]

Well if you read alot of the planets in the century systems, there is many things that talk about a battle that was 20 to 40 million years ago. Thats where the Dead Reaper is. It is poseable that a orangic race decided to build the Reapers and it backfired on them. What we know of the Reapers is that they need organics to reproduce, they like inseect like races (Keepers, Rachni and turned the Protheans into Collectors) and they can indoctrinate people, also theres the thing with the Throain. A Thrioan could heal indoctrination, it could be poseable that it had somethig to do with the Reapers

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That would work.  I also think the SB might be 'lightly' indoctrinated as Saren was in ME1.  The SB can still function at a higher level and isn't completely lost to indoctrination (like Benezia).

I actually think that the Shadow Broker may have been indoctrinated in a similar manner to Benezia. That way, the subject suffers alterations to their personality, but on the whole are still very capable. Benezia was still an able asset to Saren, but her personality was altered into a ruthless, agressive, violent and cold hearted woman, something that obviously shocked Liara. This may also be the case with the Shadow Broker, as Feron mentions in Redemption that the SB is acting odd or not as he usually does, I forget the exact wording. He's gone from being a simple information dealer, to being a black market organ trader. He forged a deal with the Collectors, and therefore broke his own niche of completely neutrality.

Perhaps Liara is aware of the indoctrination, and how is assisting and is a valuable tool to the Reapers?

This makes sense. Could be very much so.

[jlb524]

Blameless77 wrote...

I kind of wonder if Bioware is actually going to explain the origins of the Reapers. It's a pretty tall order to do in one game considering we know basically nothing at this point (we know how they reproduce, but not where they came from). Additionally, part of what makes the Reapers a great enemy is the total aura of mystery. Once something becomes knowable it becomes, if not mundane, at least less threatening. 

I do think Prothean tech still has a role to play and Liara (as the only assured surviving party member) will be there to help Shepard decipher it. It makes sense for Bioware to play to Liara's strengths in terms of plot since she's guaranteed to be there imo.

I still wish they would have stuck Liara on Ilos for ME2 and had her further research the Protheans and their Reaper/Collector connection.   Instead, they stick her behind a desk on Illium, hunting the SB (who, at this moment, doesn't fit into the main Reaper plot at all).