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JaylaClark wrote...

I actually think that allowing the Council to die is not only the smart thing to do, but one that at least two-thirds of the Council would accept without question.  If the Alliance runs out of ships to take out Sovereign because they lost them defending the Council, then, even if they don't buy the Reaper threat, they'd have to presume that they'd be killed anyway shortly after Sovereign consolidates control over the station.


As I always say, if the alliance fleet didnt concentrate on saving the council, and saved those ships for sovereign, those ships would be then flanked and decimated by the geth fleet as they turn and help their "god". I definitely side with saving the council as the wiser decision, if not for the immediate tactical benefits, then for the long term power stability.

As for the station control, once Shepard had control, Sovereign could just float there and do nothing. An insider was the lynchpin of the entire plan, without it Sovereign was a sitting duck. Its no coincidence that it reanimated Sarens corpse. As long as Shepard was at the command console the reaper invasion was never going to happen. Some people seem to think Sovereign just sitting there on the spire somehow still risked the relay opening.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

I just think BW picked Kaidan as the one to always be paragon for that part of the game.


I always bring Wrex with me B)

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Somebody1003 wrote...

muskettman87 wrote...

I only brought Kaiden with me once on the final mission. Its so strange to watch Liara be renagade and shoot saren in the head and tell you to kill the council.Image IPB

I wish I could find a video of this on youtube or something.


lol, I looked for it too, I gave up, I don't have the patience for sifting through videos anymore.

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Long as you bring Wrex with you you don't have to worry, he shoots Saren no matter who is in your squad at the time.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

I just think BW picked Kaidan as the one to always be paragon for that part of the game.


Yeah, isn't it a spectrum thing, because Ash is the highest on the renegade scale, isn't she? or am I wrong?

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muskettman87 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I just think BW picked Kaidan as the one to always be paragon for that part of the game.


Yeah, isn't it a spectrum thing, because Ash is the highest on the renegade scale, isn't she? or am I wrong?


No, Wrex is, then Garrus, then Ash.

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You should check out the video on YouTube in which FemShep turns Kaidan Renegade. At the end, Kaidan advocates killing the Council, and WREX advises that you save them. WTF?! That's just as jarring and OOC as Liara advising to sacrifice them.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You should check out the video on YouTube in which FemShep turns Kaidan Renegade. At the end, Kaidan advocates killing the Council, and WREX advises that you save them. WTF?! That's just as jarring and OOC as Liara advising to sacrifice them.


lol, do you have a link?

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Wrex is a big softie at heart.

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muskettman87 wrote...

lol, do you have a link?


Sure! Here you go:



I expect something similar will happen with Liara in ME3 in terms of an alignment shift.

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Blameless77 wrote...

Wrex is a big softie at heart.


Wrex has a teddy bear under his bed.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You should check out the video on YouTube in which FemShep turns Kaidan Renegade. At the end, Kaidan advocates killing the Council, and WREX advises that you save them. WTF?! That's just as jarring and OOC as Liara advising to sacrifice them.


Yeah, that's a WTF moment. Especially since he's like "WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE FOR US?!?!"

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Blameless77 wrote...

Wrex is a big softie at heart.


Wrex has a teddy bear under his bed.


Yeah, he ripped the head off and threw it there!

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Just to clarify, what I mean by an alignment shift for Liara in ME3 is that Shepard will have an influence over her alignment, just like it was possible with Ashley, Kaidan and Garrus in ME1. Renegades will tell her to adopt her ruthless and colder facade as her personality, whereas Paragons will comfort Liara and help her re-embrace her true caring and compassionate personality.

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Cartims wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Blameless77 wrote...

Wrex is a big softie at heart.


Wrex has a teddy bear under his bed.


Yeah, he ripped the head off and threw it there!


I wonder if Wrex would like Urz as a pet :P

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Just to clarify, what I mean by an alignment shift for Liara in ME3 is that Shepard will have an influence over her alignment, just like it was possible with Ashley, Kaidan and Garrus in ME1. Renegades will tell her to adopt her ruthless and colder facade as her personality, whereas Paragons will comfort Liara and help her re-embrace her true caring and compassionate personality.


and what about Paragades like me?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

muskettman87 wrote...

lol, do you have a link?


Sure! Here you go:



I expect something similar will happen with Liara in ME3 in terms of an alignment shift.


I never knew you could do that with Kaiden! That like watching the Twilight zone meets ME1.

On a side note, Shepards flirting with Kaiden at the love scene made me lol pretty hard.Image IPB

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TMA, if you have the time that would be incredibly helpful. I'm planning to veer off pretty wildly, but I'd like to start with canon.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

and what about Paragades like me?


That'll be entirely up to you whether you go Paragon or Renegade with Liara. :P

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jtav wrote...

TMA, if you have the time that would be incredibly helpful. I'm planning to veer off pretty wildly, but I'd like to start with canon.


No problem. I'll PM her dialogue scenes when I have the time.

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Has there ever been a discussion about the small difference between a male and female Shepard regarding the scene just before the kiss in ME 2? Liara seems to (begin to) say or whisper something to a female Shepard, that isn't there with a male Shepard. Probably just left over from the "real" reunion scene, forgotten to remove in one instance?

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Shading has started...

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Hopefully I'll finish the whole picture tomorrow - then it's back to commissions for a while.

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Yeah, I remember that was discussed pretty soon after ME2 was released. Perhaps they originally intended to have Liara whisper something to Shepard, scrapped it, and forgot to remove the animation from the FemShep version of the scene? Who knows.

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Looking good, MDK! Can't wait to see the finished version.

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I was always more curious about why they decided to scrap the original plan with the reunion in general? Where she becomes the SB. Are they planning something with it later, or did they not like how it turned out in the end, and just decided to get rid of it? I guess the real reason probably won't come to the surface anytime soon.