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[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So yeah. I think BioWare are actually deceiving the player that they're using the tired and cliched old AriBastila arc with Liara, before then averting it completely. It's actually pretty clever, the fact that BW are distancing themselves from one of their hallmarks.

I think you give BW too much credit for their ability to be deceptive.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go through with it.

[kraidy1117]

Liara and Bastila comparison. O.o If anything Miri is the Bastila of ME. Anyways hows the Liara fans, seeing us Miri fans kinda have alot in common right now after that Casey Hudson interview when he bashed the hell out of Miri.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So yeah. I think BioWare are actually deceiving the player that they're using the tired and cliched old AriBastila arc with Liara, before then averting it completely. It's actually pretty clever, the fact that BW are distancing themselves from one of their hallmarks.

I don't know, it's been awhile since KOTOR was released...they might try to pull the Bastilla crap again.   Especially considering a great deal of ME fans haven't played BW's older titles (like KOTOR and NWN)   If that happens with Liara, I will....throw something!  A chair!

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

What statement would that make, I wonder?

I think people worry that the devs won't see a 'Liara support thread' (when every other LI has one) and will think no one likes Liara anymore, and may use this to justify keeping her out of ME3.  I don't think this, as it seems they care less about the support threads, but I think that is the worry of some.

In the end you're right, I agree they don't care one way or the other, but on the off chance a dev or mod did come here wanting to peruse the fan threads, I'd like them to have to take a quiet moment of reflection on the fact that they can't find a Liara thread.

[IndigoWolfe]

jlb524 wrote...


I don't know, it's been awhile since KOTOR was released...they might try to pull the Bastilla crap again.   Especially considering a great deal of ME fans haven't played BW's older titles (like KOTOR and NWN)   If that happens with Liara, I will....throw something!  A chair!

A perk of the 360; it includes an object --the controller-- which is simply made for throwing at the TV screen.

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

@Nozy

If he didn't shut down the thread back in the 930's, I seriously doubt he's going to shut it down now.  And ... I don't think it's necessary, really.  I stopped posting in here regularly (barely anyone noticed, but enough about my ego) because there's nothing to talk about.

And if we get this thread shut down, do you really think a new one would be any different?  Actually, I think it'd end up with Liara being the only character without a thread of her own.  Just my opinion, but it's better to stay away, go play Dragon Age and see how things are later.

He didn't shut it down then cause there was no reason to.  He would though if we requested it.

As far as a new one being different?  I'd say don't start a new one and just use the user group for Liara fans.  I actually think having Liara be the only character without a fan thread in the main forum would be a nicely put statement.

Just to let you know, a few of us did.  That's where I got that Woo quote a couple of pages back from, what I called his 'left-handed-reassurance' that expressed contentment for the way ME2 cut down Liara's role won't likely have an effect on her role in ME3.

But that's your opinion, that we should just shut down the thread and destroy this village to save it.  You have a right to it.  (Really.  I honestly believe you do.  Geez, how have I survived so long on the Internet?)  I just think that if anything can affect our cause, that'd end up hurting more than helping.

Though you never know, the act of asking might just get a substantive post in thread about how we're all crazy to be paranoid about what's going to happen to Liara.  Or it might get the opposite sentiment in a post, which I think I'd also be happy to see, as I'd finally have the guts to just sell back my ME2 disc.  Still, I'm not sure I'd risk it.

[bjdbwea]

Close a thread just because someone posts a (stupid!) picture? Please. As for BioWare/EA, they don't care about the number of pages, nor would they care about the absence of any thread.

[Nozybidaj]

Well, in any case I'm leaving now. I'd still suggest you all take it to the user group where we can at least self moderate to a degree. This thread really doesn't serve much purpose any more anyway.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't know, it's been awhile since KOTOR was released...they might try to pull the Bastilla crap again.   Especially considering a great deal of ME fans haven't played BW's older titles (like KOTOR and NWN)   If that happens with Liara, I will....throw something!  A chair!

I dont know, most heathens exposure to Biowares "classics" these days seems to be from KOTOR. A lot of folks tout that as their favourite Bioware title.

But yeah, basically at this stage I wouldnt be surprised if instead of an actual squadmate role that corrects all the mistakes made with Liara, we get a crappy cliched "Bastila'esque" Liara turn. For the record I thought Bastila "going bad" was one of the dullest and most irritating parts of KOTORs plot.

Maybe it will simply come down to how it would take hard work to turn around Liaras character after this, and rather than do the necessary hard work, theyll turn her into a villain for the majority of ME3, have her flip back at the end to a host of "I love you"s, and then add in a happy epilogue. Im certainly not expecting anything worthwhile, since for ME3 to turn everything around that ME2 fudged up for me requires some of the best writing Bioware has ever produced, and Im not sure they are capable or even motivated to do so right now.

[Blameless77]

I think the fates of pretty much all characters have been decided at this point, for better or for worse. The support threads exist for the fans, and I doubt the devs pay much attention (if any) to them.

[Asheer_Khan]

I remember how actually pissed of i was after first meeting whit Darth Bastila on roof of that temple.



As much as Aribeth sliding of the "Dark Side" was noticedable during game that Bastila's turns was completely ridiculous especially if my char was walking Jedi ideal .



I fear that Bioware is ready to try same "Hey you known what?... now i am evil for a change!" stunt when comes to Lia...



Closest indication how Lia will handled in ME 3 will be (IF WILL BE) Shadow Broker DLC.

[JaylaClark]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't know, it's been awhile since KOTOR was released...they might try to pull the Bastilla crap again.   Especially considering a great deal of ME fans haven't played BW's older titles (like KOTOR and NWN)   If that happens with Liara, I will....throw something!  A chair!

I dont know, most heathens exposure to Biowares "classics" these days seems to be from KOTOR. A lot of folks tout that as their favourite Bioware title.

But yeah, basically at this stage I wouldnt be surprised if instead of an actual squadmate role that corrects all the mistakes made with Liara, we get a crappy cliched "Bastila'esque" Liara turn. For the record I thought Bastila "going bad" was one of the dullest and most irritating parts of KOTORs plot.

Maybe it will simply come down to how it would take hard work to turn around Liaras character after this, and rather than do the necessary hard work, theyll turn her into a villain for the majority of ME3, have her flip back at the end to a host of "I love you"s, and then add in a happy epilogue. Im certainly not expecting anything worthwhile, since for ME3 to turn everything around that ME2 fudged up for me requires some of the best writing Bioware has ever produced, and Im not sure they are capable or even motivated to do so right now.

This.  Mainly because it fully makes me itch to hear anyone talking after they get turned to the dark side, but it was practically pointles in my brain.  Plus I hated how damn difficult it was to turn her back as a femPC, I quit out one time, loaded GameFAQs, copied down the instructions and followed them to the letter, because I hated the idea of having to kill one of ... what am I saying?  KotOR was like ME1, ALL of the squad were made of win.  I just hated killing ANY of them.

[kraidy1117]

I liked the whole Dark Bastila thing my self, more so because I was romancing her and I was heartbroken when I saw Dark Bastila. One of the few moments that really made me sad and I was determined to bring her back to the light side.

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What would ****** me off even more about it is if "poor sweet innocent Liara has lost her way, here comes Shepard riding in on a noble white horse like a knight in shining armour to save Liara from herself!"

Seriously, that would be a massive disservice to Liara's character. She's alot more capable, competant, able and intelligent than that. Shepard having to "save" her would make her look pathetic.

Well we did have to save her in ME.....

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Seriously, that would be a massive disservice to Liara's character. She's alot more capable, competant, able and intelligent than that. Shepard having to "save" her would make her look pathetic.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.  If they don't want to put effort into the Liara romance, that's an easy way to satisfy a lot of people that play the Liara/Shepard romance ('Oh, look!  I'm a big hero!  I saved her!  Yeah!)

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

JaylaClark wrote...

This.  Mainly because it fully makes me itch to hear anyone talking after they get turned to the dark side, but it was practically pointles in my brain.  Plus I hated how damn difficult it was to turn her back as a femPC, I quit out one time, loaded GameFAQs, copied down the instructions and followed them to the letter, because I hated the idea of having to kill one of ... what am I saying?  KotOR was like ME1, ALL of the squad were made of win.  I just hated killing ANY of them.

The fact that the supposed player romance will KILL the player character is also a bit of a suck job. Its like "Wow, a second ago she murdered my PC and I had to reload, and now shes all 'I love you too', make up your mind woman!"

I thought it was crappy writing in KOTOR, and a pathetic attempt at dramatic tension, and I see no reason why it should be any different were it applied to Liara in ME3.

As I keep saying though, fundamentally it would deprive Liara of the one thing she needs to get out of this character mess: time and interaction with Shepard. She is a romanceable character, not a villain, and needs plenty of romantic dialogue with Shepard like ME1 had, not a contrived role as Shepards enemy for "teh drama".

[bjdbwea]

Yeah, it wasn't perfect in KotoR. It was a good idea, and story-wise it worked, but the explanation was a bit weak. But think about it this way: If they do the same with Liara, maybe this time they'll present it properly, and resolve it properly? I know, not a big chance considering all that's been going on at BioWare/EA. But at least I wouldn't dismiss the general idea so quickly.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well we did have to save her in ME.....

Pretty much every single ME2 squadmate needs to be "saved" on some level. If its not Shepards help with their errand, then its things like nearly falling off the platform at the end (which Ive seen a heck of a lot of the ME2 squad need saving from).

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 mai 2010 - 08:19 .

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What would ****** me off even more about it is if "poor sweet innocent Liara has lost her way, here comes Shepard riding in on a noble white horse like a knight in shining armour to save Liara from herself!"

Seriously, that would be a massive disservice to Liara's character. She's alot more capable, competant, able and intelligent than that. Shepard having to "save" her would make her look pathetic.

On that note, would you prefer that in whatever Shadow Broker DLC there may be, would you prefer being able to influence Liara, or have her make her own decision?

The latter would make her really stand out as a Bioware character, seeing as since this is an RPG, the player has influence in almost everything. Having Liara make her own decision as to what to do with the Shadow Broker, or whatever moral choice she may encounter, would make her into more of an independant character.

On the other hand, that also runs the risk she would pick the "wrong" choice, so to speak.

[jlb524]

It's different with Bastilla, though, b/c she was forced to the dark side by Malak. She was captured by Malak in the first place because of a good deed (saving the PC and Carth from him). You can't really fault her for it. If Liara goes bad, it will be by her own will and she will be to blame for Shepard having to swoop in and 'save' her, cleaning up the mess she created. I think that's much worse than what happened with Bastilla.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well we did have to save her in ME.....

Pretty much every single ME2 squadmate needs to be "saved" on some level. If its not Shepards help with their errand, then its things like nearly falling of the platform at the end (which Ive seen a heck of a lot of the ME2 squad need saving from).

True, just saying that we did have to save Liara in ME and from the Observer in ME2. Would it be cheap to do it again for liara? Yes, but knowing Casey Hudson, it they are not bald they are simple and there for sex appeal <_<

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well we did have to save her in ME.....

That was different, you can't expect Liara to single-handedly take on a large platoon of geth led by a Krogan Battlemaster. Plus, she only accidentally trapped herself in the Prothean bubble. Plus, we're then told soon after that Liara has always been very capable of defending herself when attacked by pirates and raiders when she's been alone on remote digsites. Being attacked by the geth was a special case.

What I described is more an emotional and mental variation of "saving" Liara. One that makes her look weak and pathetic, and wouldn't suit her character at all.

I expect all this to happen to all characters expect for Casey's fav character <_<

Modifié par kraidy1117, 22 mai 2010 - 08:20 .