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[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

But, I'll trade a smile for the mod ability!

That's true, we can wear sexy armor and outfits

Oh, and we don't have to scan planets for minerals.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

But, I'll trade a smile for the mod ability!

That's true, we can wear sexy armor and outfits

Oh, and we don't have to scan planets for minerals.

I had that modded after the second planet I scanned  lol

[Mykel54]

bjdbwea wrote...

I absolutely agree, those "stoppages" were an important part in the game. I liked the Citadel, I liked the elevators, I even liked such small details as actually leaving and entering the Normandy. It's what made the game feel like one whole. But as he said, they have to make it "immediate" now. That sums it up quite well. Immediate action, immediate rewards. But little substance. I told him that I don't like it, even told thim that it feels to me as if they're abandoning their old fans. He says they don't and won't. We'll see.

Is this related to Liara? Maybe somewhat: Were the ME 1 LIs too complicated? Is that the reason they're not in ME 2? Are they going to be more "immediate" too if they're in ME 3?

I understand your concern, but still i think ME2 (with it´s many flaws) has improved many things over ME1. Apart from the obvious ones (graphics, animations, user interface, controls etc.) they have also improved upon the characters. In ME1 Wrex had a "loyalty" mission to get his family armour, or Garrus with dr. Saleon. On ME2 that concept was expanded a lot more to add very depth personal missions that make you know more about the character.
What i mean is that yes, i can see where ME1 was better (i was also very annoyed that the citadel was a stupid 3 floor market) but i still believe ME2 is an improvement over the first game. At least for me the story was good enough and the gameplay made up for the rest. I honestly enjoyed ME2 a lot, nearly as much as i did ME1. I am speaking in general terms of course, i understand how the minor role Liara played in ME2 may be annoying to the fans out here (i include myself), but still i think the game as a whole was a worthy sequel.
Anyway just to put something more liara-related, i bet many of you have already watched this video, but still i find it interesting, may have hints of what is to come.

[Erinlana]

I am going now guys as i can't stay awake any longer (wish i could)

But i must go to my bed to dream of Liara

Until then !!   *hugs& kisses*

Love you's

Modifié par Erinlana, 23 mai 2010 - 07:52 .

[bjdbwea]

Mykel54 wrote...

I am speaking in general terms of course, i understand how the minor role Liara played in ME2 may be annoying to the fans out here (i include myself), but still i think the game as a whole was a worthy sequel.

And I disagree. Strongly. And not because of the whole Liara situation. If only it were "just" that. There are too many steps back, too many cut corners, too many important things removed, too many occasions of bad writing. I'm still waiting for the real ME 2, maybe ME 3 will be it.

Anyway, back to the topic...

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 mai 2010 - 08:02 .

[Andaius20]

hey folks how's it going? anything interesting going on in here?

[Sunnie]

bjdbwea wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I am speaking in general terms of course, i understand how the minor role Liara played in ME2 may be annoying to the fans out here (i include myself), but still i think the game as a whole was a worthy sequel.

And I disagree. Strongly. And not because of the whole Liara situation. If only it were "just" that. There are too many steps back, too many cut corners, too many important things removed, too many occasions of bad writing. I'm still waiting for the real ME 2, maybe ME 3 will be it.

Anyway, back to the topic...

I too am waiting for the real ME2, there were just too many things I found wrong with what they did with ME2. Don't get me wrong, I like ME2 ok, but it is nowhere near how great ME was overall. We seem to be a minority in BWs eyes, so don't expect anything to really change for ME3...

[Andaius20]

*waves to sunnie*

[Sunnie]

Andaius20 wrote...

*waves to sunnie*

*waves at Andaius*

[jtav]

*suddenly feels very awkward in the thread*

I've been doing some additional thinking about my story while I wait for clarification on a couple of canon points, so I was wondering: if Liara had to pick a moment to illustrate her relationship with Shepard and why she loves him/her, what would she pick and why?

Modifié par jtav, 23 mai 2010 - 08:25 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Mykel54 wrote...


I understand your concern, but still i think ME2 (with it´s many flaws) has improved many things over ME1. Apart from the obvious ones (graphics, animations, user interface, controls etc.) they have also improved upon the characters. In ME1 Wrex had a "loyalty" mission to get his family armour, or Garrus with dr. Saleon. On ME2 that concept was expanded a lot more to add very depth personal missions that make you know more about the character.
What i mean is that yes, i can see where ME1 was better (i was also very annoyed that the citadel was a stupid 3 floor market) but i still believe ME2 is an improvement over the first game. At least for me the story was good enough and the gameplay made up for the rest. I honestly enjoyed ME2 a lot, nearly as much as i did ME1. I am speaking in general terms of course, i understand how the minor role Liara played in ME2 may be annoying to the fans out here (i include myself), but still i think the game as a whole was a worthy sequel.
Anyway just to put something more liara-related, i bet many of you have already watched this video, but still i find it interesting, may have hints of what is to come.

Characters in ME2 was not only an area it failed to improve over ME1, but an area where it took a step back.

You made a mistake bringing up Wrex and his loyalty mission, because essentially what ME2 did is take that concept, and like everything else they dumbed it down.

In ME1 Wrex gives the player his loyalty mission through carefully pursuing his dialogue. Its brought up in conversation and is naturally given to the player. Add to that it also comes up at a critical moment in the story, where "being there for Wrex" is an important part of the decision Wrex makes.

In ME2, whether or not you have talked to them, Yeoman Chambers will inform the player said character wants to see them. Not only is the loyalty mission given regardless, it has NO impact whatsoever on the main plot other than an arbitrary "loyalty" marker. It removes the personal element and simply leaves it as "loyal = lives not loyal = dies".

No improvement there.

I found this with the whole ME2 squad. The individual writing wasnt always bad (sometimes it was) but it was all self-contained. It wasnt part of anything larger, it was "just another loyalty mission" for "just another squadmate".

ME2 was an absolute failure for some of us, and I hope Bioware doesnt forget that. The story and its majority makeup of a "checklist" sucked, the characters seem expendalbe and isolated from the main plot (with the exception of Miranda and Mordins contributions which are quickly forgotten), and it accomplished nothing with the reapers.

The combat was definitely more precise in terms of shooting, but thats not a universal improvement if its used to taint the rest of the game with crate littered shooting galleries where the game is cut into short, forgettable pieces.

[Sunnie]

jtav wrote...

*suddenly feels very awkward in the thread*

I've been doing some additional thinking about my story while I wait for clarification on a couple of canon points, so I was wondering: if Liar had to pick a moment to illustrate her relationship with Shepard and why she loves him/her, what would she pick and why?

Holy smokes! That alone could be a book in and of itself... My Shep and Liara were inseperable, they shared everything there was in ME, the good and the not so good.

[Turdmuncher38]

whos Liar ? ( learn to spell)

[Sunnie]

Turdmuncher38 wrote...

whos Liar ? ( learn to spell)

It's an easy typo, don't be so critical, or rude about it...

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

*suddenly feels very awkward in the thread*

I've been doing some additional thinking about my story while I wait for clarification on a couple of canon points, so I was wondering: if Liara had to pick a moment to illustrate her relationship with Shepard and why she loves him/her, what would she pick and why?

Well, I always thought that Shepard's trust for Liara, in spite of her connection to Benezia, would be the first thing about Shepard Liara would have appreciated.  So, that moment would be the first dialog after recruiting Liara. Another possible one, Shepard's words of comfort after Benezia's death.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

But, I'll trade a smile for the mod ability!

That's true, we can wear sexy armor and outfits

Oh, and we don't have to scan planets for minerals.

Actually, with the new patch, 1 hour of scanning means no need to scan ever again. And it's actually fun to do, if you play some music or a podcast.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 mai 2010 - 09:02 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...



Here she smiles if you romanced her, if not she keeps a blank face when she says "Its very good to see you".

She never smiles like that for me...I just watched that part with a romanced and nonromanced Shepard....it looks the exact same.

I hate that picture. It made me doubt my choice in romance. Especially since she's scary and all.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 mai 2010 - 09:00 .

[Sunnie]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

But, I'll trade a smile for the mod ability!

That's true, we can wear sexy armor and outfits

Oh, and we don't have to scan planets for minerals.

Actually, with the new patch, 1 hour of scanning means no need to scan ever again. And's it's actually fun to do, if you play some music or a podcast.

1 hour is too much.. I spend 2 minutes total scanning planets in an entire playthrough now.. thats 58 minutes I recover to pew pew pew or prance around in my moded clothing making movies and screen shots

Modifié par Sunnie22, 23 mai 2010 - 09:04 .

[Larask]

Somebody1003 wrote...



Here she smiles if you romanced her, if not she keeps a blank face when she says "Its very good to see you".

Not really. I romanced her and she doesn't smile on that part. I have seen a few videos of it, and in some she does smile and others she doesn't. I have no idea why, but it's not b/c of the romance.  But it's a very cute smile

[Sunnie]

Larask wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...



Here she smiles if you romanced her, if not she keeps a blank face when she says "Its very good to see you".

Not really. I romanced her and she doesn't smile on that part. I have seen a few videos of it, and in some she does smile and others she doesn't. I have no idea why, but it's not b/c of the romance.  But it's a very cute smile

Are you playing on a PC or 360?

[TMA LIVE]

Larask wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...



Here she smiles if you romanced her, if not she keeps a blank face when she says "Its very good to see you".

Not really. I romanced her and she doesn't smile on that part. I have seen a few videos of it, and in some she does smile and others she doesn't. I have no idea why, but it's not b/c of the romance.  But it's a very cute smile

She smiled to my male-shep, but didn't smile to my fem-shep. Don't know if that's the pattern.

[Larask]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Are you playing on a PC or 360?

PC, and the videos that I saw were also from the PC version.

[Sunnie]

Larask wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Are you playing on a PC or 360?

PC, and the videos that I saw were also from the PC version.

As far as we have been able to tell, 360 users get the smile, PC don't.. it could also be the male/female Shep thing too... But so far everyone sayign they see the smile are playing on 360, I believe.