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[jlb524]

Most think that the ME1 LIs will be able to be re-romanced in ME3...would this apply to the ME2 LIs as well? I'd guess not, as the ME2 romances aren't going to have a 'troubled' second act. They'll get two good acts.

[leeboi2]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's more because they wanted to solve the "three games romance" problem. Example, Say you romanced Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME1. What happens then? Well, the romance continues, right? Well, what about people who bought ME2, but never played ME1? How do you design that? Allow them to be romanced in ME2?

Ok, well then lets continue.

Say little Timmy buys ME3, and never played ME2. Do you have them as a romance option again?

You see, it starts to get way too complicated then it should. So they designed it like this:

Romance someone in ME1. Romance is then broken up in ME2. Romance re-established in ME3, or started in ME3 if you didn't romance any of them.

They shouldn't be allowed to romance any of the ME1 LI's because then the people who have stayed with them for all 3 game's wont get anything different, except maybe a bit of ' thanks for staying with me *blushes*'

[Nerevar-as]

Then the ME2 LIs have the same problem in ME3 than the ones from ME1 in 2. The no romance default was OK, I don´t think adding/changing a few scenes would have been so hard. No need for character derailment.

[TMA LIVE]

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's more because they wanted to solve the "three games romance" problem. Example, Say you romanced Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME1. What happens then? Well, the romance continues, right? Well, what about people who bought ME2, but never played ME1? How do you design that? Allow them to be romanced in ME2?

Ok, well then lets continue.

Say little Timmy buys ME3, and never played ME2. Do you have them as a romance option again?

You see, it starts to get way too complicated then it should. So they designed it like this:

Romance someone in ME1. Romance is then broken up in ME2. Romance re-established in ME3, or started in ME3 if you didn't romance any of them.

They shouldn't be allowed to romance any of the ME1 LI's because then the people who have stayed with them for all 3 game's wont get anything different, except maybe a bit of ' thanks for staying with me *blushes*'

Yeah, but then they'll complain that they want them, but can't get them, because they never played ME1, or didn't like ME1 or ME2. Or you run into the "Wow, Liara's way cooler in ME3! I really want to break up with Ash now! To bad I have to play 2 whole games just to make that happen."

[leeboi2]

TMA LIVE wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's more because they wanted to solve the "three games romance" problem. Example, Say you romanced Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME1. What happens then? Well, the romance continues, right? Well, what about people who bought ME2, but never played ME1? How do you design that? Allow them to be romanced in ME2?

Ok, well then lets continue.

Say little Timmy buys ME3, and never played ME2. Do you have them as a romance option again?

You see, it starts to get way too complicated then it should. So they designed it like this:

Romance someone in ME1. Romance is then broken up in ME2. Romance re-established in ME3, or started in ME3 if you didn't romance any of them.

They shouldn't be allowed to romance any of the ME1 LI's because then the people who have stayed with them for all 3 game's wont get anything different, except maybe a bit of ' thanks for staying with me *blushes*'

Yeah, but then they'll complain that they want them, but can't get them, because they never played ME1, or didn't like ME1 or ME2. Or you run into the "Wow, Liara's way cooler in ME3! I really want to break up with Ash now! To bad I have to play 2 whole games just to make that happen."

Unlucky for them then, being able to swap romances again in 3 will just be stupid.

[TMA LIVE]

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's more because they wanted to solve the "three games romance" problem. Example, Say you romanced Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME1. What happens then? Well, the romance continues, right? Well, what about people who bought ME2, but never played ME1? How do you design that? Allow them to be romanced in ME2?

Ok, well then lets continue.

Say little Timmy buys ME3, and never played ME2. Do you have them as a romance option again?

You see, it starts to get way too complicated then it should. So they designed it like this:

Romance someone in ME1. Romance is then broken up in ME2. Romance re-established in ME3, or started in ME3 if you didn't romance any of them.

They shouldn't be allowed to romance any of the ME1 LI's because then the people who have stayed with them for all 3 game's wont get anything different, except maybe a bit of ' thanks for staying with me *blushes*'

Yeah, but then they'll complain that they want them, but can't get them, because they never played ME1, or didn't like ME1 or ME2. Or you run into the "Wow, Liara's way cooler in ME3! I really want to break up with Ash now! To bad I have to play 2 whole games just to make that happen."

Unlucky for them then, being able to swap romances again in 3 will just be stupid.

How? I don't know a single romance that involved being with your first girlfriend forever, unless you really did find that perfect someone. Sometimes people stop liking people, and want to go with someone else. That's real life right there.

[Nerevar-as]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

This is a device too used today, if the plot needs characters acting in a way they wouldn´t then maybe that story shouldn´t be told. I´ve dropped most comics I read because of it.
I think Bioware went with the cheat angle from an interview with a deb saying how he believed most players would move to the new LIs because of how interesting they were. That and the ME1 characterization doesn´t look coincidence. With Liara it also seems a set up for a What the hell hero moment in ME3, don´t think the dialog wheel is bugged.

Yeah, agreed, but cheating is a possible consequence on part of the player, and not something BioWare specifically set out to intend to encourage the player to do. They've set it up so that the respective romances with Ashley, Kaidan and Liara are troubled and on the rocks. The manner in which Shepard reacts is then all down to the players. They can choose to have Shepard run off into the arms of another or, if like us we're devoted to and in love with our LI, have the two of them apart from each other by circumstance, but desperately wanting to be with each other again.


It's like BioWare is saying "Here, your romance with Liara is a little on the rocky side at the moment. How you react to it is now entirely up to you." Cheating is just one possible consequence of this.

This is true, but it´s still forced. I don´t disagree with the idea, but
the way they went with it. If they actually go with the consequences
thing at least watching the cheaters reactions may be worth it.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...
Seriously, I swear, Casey promised us 'characters so compelling that (he) feel(s) that nearly everyone will cheat on their ME1 LIs', and that was such a half-truth ... as much as I'm jealous of the Mirandamancers -- do they have a name? -- particularly after her loyalty mission, I don't see many maleSheps leaving Liara or Ashley for her without taking into account their emotional distance in the second game.

That was such a load of old cobblers. A hugely significant amount of people aren't cheating on their ME1 LIs because the new ones are so compelling, it's because Ashley, Kaidan and Liara show up in half-baked cameos and act like caricatures of their real selves. That was such an awful case of CH twisting the truth.

Yeah, true. When I went with Tali, though she has an awesome romance, one of the reasons I left Liara was because I hated what she became, and thought I was in a dead relationship.

A little off topic. Did anyone get this dialogue at 6:17? I didn't???

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 mai 2010 - 11:06 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Question is "IF there will be ANY kind of romance possible in ME 3?"



In ME 2 we can made our Shep drunk... so maybe next step will be some kind Citadel red light district?... when romance on Normandy will be huge NO GO?



I am really pissed of at this permanent silent from Bioware side about "theoretical" development of ME 3 when ToR team publish from time to time so called developer notes presenting many stuff regarding incoming game.



But Bioware - Edmonton protect ME 3 devs notes like some sort national secret and that's why i seriously starting to question anything what is related to ME 3 because i am starting to expect that one day i will read news started by title Mass Effect 3 R.I.P...



Impossible?... not really because gaming industry saw already many such failures. (including Duke Nukem Forever which was finally declared as R.I.P).



However i seriously hope that Bioware proves me that i am wrong in that matter...

[TMA LIVE]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Question is "IF there will be ANY kind of romance possible in ME 3?"

In ME 2 we can made our Shep drunk... so maybe next step will be some kind Citadel red light district?... when romance on Normandy will be huge NO GO?

I am really pissed of at this permanent silent from Bioware side about "theoretical" development of ME 3 when ToR team publish from time to time so called developer notes presenting many stuff regarding incoming game.

But Bioware - Edmonton protect ME 3 devs notes like some sort national secret and that's why i seriously starting to question anything what is related to ME 3 because i am starting to expect that one day i will read news started by title Mass Effect 3 R.I.P...

Impossible?... not really because gaming industry saw already many such failures. (including Duke Nukem Forever which was finally declared as R.I.P).

However i seriously hope that Bioware proves me that i am wrong in that matter...

It's happening. It's just they can't confirm anything because they just finished the sequel 5 or 6 months ago. They can't do anything till things are more official. Besides, they already said they're working on Mass Effect 3.

[leeboi2]

TMA LIVE wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's more because they wanted to solve the "three games romance" problem. Example, Say you romanced Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME1. What happens then? Well, the romance continues, right? Well, what about people who bought ME2, but never played ME1? How do you design that? Allow them to be romanced in ME2?

Ok, well then lets continue.

Say little Timmy buys ME3, and never played ME2. Do you have them as a romance option again?

You see, it starts to get way too complicated then it should. So they designed it like this:

Romance someone in ME1. Romance is then broken up in ME2. Romance re-established in ME3, or started in ME3 if you didn't romance any of them.

They shouldn't be allowed to romance any of the ME1 LI's because then the people who have stayed with them for all 3 game's wont get anything different, except maybe a bit of ' thanks for staying with me *blushes*'

Yeah, but then they'll complain that they want them, but can't get them, because they never played ME1, or didn't like ME1 or ME2. Or you run into the "Wow, Liara's way cooler in ME3! I really want to break up with Ash now! To bad I have to play 2 whole games just to make that happen."

Unlucky for them then, being able to swap romances again in 3 will just be stupid.

How? I don't know a single romance that involved being with your first girlfriend forever, unless you really did find that perfect someone. Sometimes people stop liking people, and want to go with someone else. That's real life right there.

They're saving the galaxy, they don't have time for 3 romances

[jlb524]

I've seen that before....it happens if you ask her about Thane/Samara before asking if she needs help.

[Nerevar-as]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Actually, looking back on what I said above about Ash, Kai and Liara acting like caricatures of their real selves, I withdraw that statement, and was exagerrating somewhat. The manner in which the ME1 LIs act in ME2 is still very believeable in line with their respective characterisations. Looking at Liara in ME2, it is still somewhat consistent with what we were shown of her in ME1, and does make sense to a certain extent. However, it lack exposition and clarification, and requires alot of analysis and reading between the lines in order to come to the conclusion that Liara in ME2 is very believable.

Actually Shepard is the one out of character... especially in Horizon, not going after the Virmire survivor after s/he storms off.

[bjdbwea]

Of course there will be an ME 3. What it'll be worth is another question. I for one don't expect anything from BioWare/EA anymore.

Will there be any romances? I guess they wouldn't suddenly remove that feature in the third part of a trilogy, but if you look at Awakening, it could seem as if BioWare/EA want to move away from that feature.

In a certain way, it would be funny if the ME 2 companions would be treated in ME 3 like the ME 1 companions were in ME 2. The forums would certainly provide some entertainment, probably more than the actual game. I don't really wish it to anyone though, as much as they might gloat about what happened to the ME 1 LIs.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 mai 2010 - 11:40 .

[jtav]

If I seem like I gloat, I'm sorry. And I sort of dread the prospect of Miranda, at least showing up in ME3.



And Twilight Zone is an apt description for Shep's behavior on several occasions.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, notice how after Liara says that it's been a crazy two years, she then uses the same dialogue as she does when you ask her if she needs any help immediately? It's just a different dialogue path which is possible with Liara's ME2 scenes.

I quite like that variation, actually. The manner in which she describes the last two years really helps reinforce her distaste for working as an information broker, and how much she's suffered and continues to suffer.

Yeah, i like it more as well.

In the other one, she's more "I CAN'T Shepard. I have COMMITMENTS here. THINGS that need to be taken care of." Which sounds off and weird. While the other sound more casual, like... "It's been busy... it's... crazy... Things are horrible now... I really wish I could go with you... Hey, if you want to help, how about you do this for me?"

[ratzerman]

jtav wrote...

If I seem like I gloat, I'm sorry. And I sort of dread the prospect of Miranda, at least showing up in ME3.

You don't sound like you're gloating. You're one of the few ME2 romance fans who treat us with respect.

[Titan the Green]

I really try to keep up with this thread but it's hard, so if this has been discussed to death, never mind.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

...snip.... The manner in which the ME1 LIs act in ME2 is still very believeable in line with their respective characterisations. Looking at Liara in ME2, it is still somewhat consistent with what we were shown of her in ME1, and does make sense to a certain extent. ...snip...

Really?  I recently went back to ME1 to build a renagade-ish Vangard.  After the Noveria mission my chat with Liara was about her not being into revenge for what Saran had done to her mom.   So is it really within Liara's known (read - ME1) characterization to be all "I must destroy the SB for what he did!!"   Did I miss something?

[Sunnie]

Titan the Green wrote...

I really try to keep up with this thread but it's hard, so if this has been discussed to death, never mind.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

...snip.... The manner in which the ME1 LIs act in ME2 is still very believeable in line with their respective characterisations. Looking at Liara in ME2, it is still somewhat consistent with what we were shown of her in ME1, and does make sense to a certain extent. ...snip...

Really?  I recently went back to ME1 to build a renagade-ish Vangard.  After the Noveria mission my chat with Liara was about her not being into revenge for what Saran had done to her mom.   So is it really within Liara's known (read - ME1) characterization to be all "I must destroy the SB for what he did!!"   Did I miss something?

No, not really. The comic was supposed to explain what happened between the opening scene and when you wake up at the Cerb base. That however was a fail and just created more questions, and didn't mesh too well with what Liara says in the current ME2 dialoge.  They did a terrible job with sidelining her is all there is to it.