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[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

I hope you two are right!  We need some optimism in here.  This thread has been so depressing lately.

I know, here, have a happy Liara

[IndigoWolfe]

ratzerman wrote...

I hope you two are right!  We need some optimism in here.  This thread has been so depressing lately.

Very. I almost abandoned this thread at one point. But the fact that this is one of the very few remaining pro-Liara threads keeps pulling me back. To a point.

[IndigoWolfe]

Jack Package wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Just spent the last two days on this baby, right here.



Definitely the most work I've ever done on one of these.

Oh? Influenced you say? Me? Noooooo...

Nicccce!
The reaper in the left could be more visible maybe. And where did you get the city at the lower part? An actual skyline? I also like the DA in the right, fits well into the pic.

Trust me, I would have really liked to have Sovereign more visible. But as it was, I couldn't get it to work on higher layers with all the other elements I had. Besides, I kinda like the 'veiled threat' vibe it has.

And for the skyline, I used a screenshot of the Citadel Ward arms, with some liberal erasing and color manipulation.

[ratzerman]

Thanks, J! I love looking at those old screenshots.... memories of better times.....

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, and for those that didn't play the DLC, there will be "default" choices selected for any decisions, kind of like a non-import Shepard in ME2. For example, if you have the ability to convince Liara to back down when you confront the Shadow Broker, or encourage her to kill him, then the default choice will be the Renegade jerkass one as it was in ME2.

That's what they'll do.  I'm optimistic for this 'DLC' since it is supposedly a bridge between two games.  There were a lot of loose ends from ME2 and I hope the DLC resolves them.  The Liara/SB thing is one of them.  The interaction with Liara is left hanging at the end, as Shepard tells her to let her know if she finds out anything in the Observer data.  Shepard's relationship with Cerberus/The Alliance is another.  I don't know who my Shepard is working for after ME2, but I know she pissed TIM off.

[ratzerman]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I hope you two are right!  We need some optimism in here.  This thread has been so depressing lately.

Very. I almost abandoned this thread at one point. But the fact that this is one of the very few remaining pro-Liara threads keeps pulling me back. To a point.

There's just nothing positive to talk about.... it's all bad..... all of it.  And Bioware doesn't even care.

But we have to keep this thread alive.... we have to show those idiots in Edmonton that Liara still has fans.

[jtav]

I prefer happy Liara fans, particularly when the pessimism comes coupled with insults and insinuations that "real" RPG fans should hate ME2. Sometimes I feel unwelcome here.

[IndigoWolfe]

ratzerman wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I hope you two are right!  We need some optimism in here.  This thread has been so depressing lately.

Very. I almost abandoned this thread at one point. But the fact that this is one of the very few remaining pro-Liara threads keeps pulling me back. To a point.

There's just nothing positive to talk about.... it's all bad..... all of it.  And Bioware doesn't even care.

But we have to keep this thread alive.... we have to show those idiots in Edmonton that Liara still has fans.

There needs to be a sig; Proud Liara Fan: Because the best things are never easy.

[IndigoWolfe]

jtav wrote...

I prefer happy Liara fans, particularly when the pessimism comes coupled with insults and insinuations that "real" RPG fans should hate ME2. Sometimes I feel unwelcome here.

I know exactly how you feel. I, for one, absolutely loved ME2. I had some issues with it, yes, but for the most part, I don't get what the people saying there wasn't a single thing good about it are seeing.

[Jack Package]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Jack Package wrote...


Nicccce!
The reaper in the left could be more visible maybe. And where did you get the city at the lower part? An actual skyline? I also like the DA in the right, fits well into the pic.

Trust me, I would have really liked to have Sovereign more visible. But as it was, I couldn't get it to work on higher layers with all the other elements I had. Besides, I kinda like the 'veiled threat' vibe it has.

And for the skyline, I used a screenshot of the Citadel Ward arms, with some liberal erasing and color manipulation.

Ah, Citadel, didn't recognize it.
You have a point with Sovereign, it looks indeed somehow creepy. Transports the lurking danger that is not present yet but nevertheless there.

[jlb524]

My beef with ME2 is with the main plot, and how some carryover decisions were handled. The rest of the game is fine. I've even gotten over my disappointment with the fact that biotics work differently in ME2, by forcing myself to play as an Adept on Insanity with minimal use of a firearm.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What I like is the fact that if Shepard and Liara's relationship and love for each other gets through this difficult period, with the pair of them loyal to each other and still deeply in love (as will be the case with every single one of us, I'm sure), then their romance and relationship will be stronger than ever. Seriously, if Shepard and Liara can endure this sticky patch still deeply in love with each other, then nothing will be able to destroy their love and committment to each other. It will be stronger than ever, and testament to the depth and strength of their love for each other.

Adversity; it's what defines any romance. What truely makes a relationship is not just how they are during good times, that's part of it. But what really brings out who either of them is is when the going gets rough. You either drift apart, or get closer. In truth, the events after ME1 are what really hooked me on the Liara romance. If the romance remained all lovey-dovey without other elements to add then I would have become less interested in Shepard and Liara as a couple.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 24 mai 2010 - 03:20 .

[ratzerman]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

jtav wrote...

I prefer happy Liara fans, particularly when the pessimism comes coupled with insults and insinuations that "real" RPG fans should hate ME2. Sometimes I feel unwelcome here.

I know exactly how you feel. I, for one, absolutely loved ME2. I had some issues with it, yes, but for the most part, I don't get what the people saying there wasn't a single thing good about it are seeing.

There are plenty of good things about ME2.  But Liara was my favorite thing about the first game, and the handling of her character in ME2 was so bad, that it more or less ruined the entire experience for me.  I played through ME1 over a dozen times.  I played ME2 once.  But I know that's my problem, not anyone else's.  I don't bash anyone who enjoyed the game.

Modifié par ratzerman, 24 mai 2010 - 03:21 .

[IndigoWolfe]

ratzerman wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

jtav wrote...

I prefer happy Liara fans, particularly when the pessimism comes coupled with insults and insinuations that "real" RPG fans should hate ME2. Sometimes I feel unwelcome here.

I know exactly how you feel. I, for one, absolutely loved ME2. I had some issues with it, yes, but for the most part, I don't get what the people saying there wasn't a single thing good about it are seeing.

There are plenty of good things about ME2.  But Liara was my favorite thing about the first game, and the handling of her character in ME2 was so bad, that it more or less ruined the entire experience for me.  I played through ME1 over a dozen times.  I played ME2 once.  But I know that's my problem, not anyone else's.  I don't bash anyone who enjoyed the game.

I also haven't played ME2 as much as I have ME1, which was probably too much (at 22 plus completed playthroughs, you have to wonder). I've played through ME2 about four times since I got it, with an additional two playthroughs in progress. But the fact that I haven't played it more is because I lend less time to my Xbox nowadays than I used to. And I want to use Shepards whose characters I have thought out instead of one of my cookie-cutter Shepards., the former I've only really started doing recently.

And Liara's character, while dissapointing in her role, wasn't something I couldn't accept. I enjoyed what was there, even if it wasn't what I wanted. And furthermore, I didn't have any preconceptions of her being an available squadmate. Nor did I have any expectations of her role. Both of these things helped me cope.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 24 mai 2010 - 03:28 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I know exactly how you feel. I, for one, absolutely loved ME2. I had some issues with it, yes, but for the most part, I don't get what the people saying there wasn't a single thing good about it are seeing.

Ive never seen people say there isnt a single thing thats good about ME2. Just that its a watered down pile of TPS oriented garbage, which is perfectly true from a certain perspective.

If I wanted to play the kind of experience ME2 forces on the player, Id have gone and played Gears of War. I want to play the Mass Effect series that ME1 started, where playing the game like a cover based shooter was an OPTION not a NECESSITY, and that the shooter gameplay didnt disrupt the flow of the game, unlike ME2.

This isnt about who is a "real" RPG fan. Its about ME2 not meeting some peoples expectations, and instead giving a rather poor third person shooter game.

ME3 has its work cut out if Im going to walk away from this trilogy saying anything other than "ruined after the first act". Id love to say "good series, shame about the second game", but somehow I cant bring myself to believe in Bioware right now.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 24 mai 2010 - 03:46 .

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

My beef with ME2 is with the main plot, and how some carryover decisions were handled. The rest of the game is fine. I've even gotten over my disappointment with the fact that biotics work differently in ME2, by forcing myself to play as an Adept on Insanity with minimal use of a firearm.

I think the plot isn't bad up to Horizon,
but the Loyality missions...I really hate the concept (I dislike some squadmates as well - Garrus, Thane, Tali...the rest is fine)

decisions
minor decisions were good imo (Gianna, Shiala etc.)
The "BIG CHOICES" are the problem (Virmire, Destiny Ascension, romance)

Liara
I don't mind her "new personality"
The explanation is just terrible.

Modifié par Barquiel, 24 mai 2010 - 03:48 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I really dont look at the Liara character as being any different from a personality perspective, and even if it is, there isnt anywhere near enough content in ME2 to make a judgement on it, any more than you would judge Shiala too deeply in ME1 for all of her 10 minutes in game.



What I dont like is just the artificial "removal job" thats been done. Its really knocked the trilogy off balance for me, and a small contribution to why I hate the ME2 squad. As a lot of folks were saying when the announcement was made about the ME1 LIs, if this is how previous key characters are going to get treated, why the hell should we care about the new characters?



Something tells me though that for all this groups ideas of Liara being a substantial part of upcoming DLC, I think its still the ME2 squad who are going to get the most attention from the "story filled between ME2 and ME3".



Im kind of optimistic though, as hopefully this expansion type plot between 2 and 3 will remove the ME2 out of the picture for ME3, and send them packing in their own directions. As it was supposed to be for the ME1 LIs, "it will be good for their character to get a crappy 10 minute cameo in ME3".

[bjdbwea]

ratzerman wrote...

I don't bash anyone who enjoyed the game.

That was never my intention either. If you like the game, that's great. I played through it several times too, apart from the Liara scene nothing "disgusts" me really. I just think that in comparison to ME 1 nearly everything in ME 2 is worse and disappointing, but I have no problem with different opinions. I fully expect them in fact, because BioWare/EA wouldn't have done what they did if they didn't think it wouldn't appeal to many people.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

My attitude simply is there is no use being polite about it, I paid a substantial amount of money for a game that disappointed me on far more levels than it satisfied me, and this is a supposed sequel to a game that for all its major flaws, I couldnt help but love. I think something is wrong there, and holding back on my negative views is no attitude to take. Particularly in light of the changes made in ME2. People complain about the "slow ass elevators", which were removed and replaced by what I like to call "dumb ass loading screens". The mako has been completely gutted from the game and turned into a DLC pet project to gauge the reaction of a much smaller portion of the fanbase because it caught criticism in ME1.



Ignoring the fact that I think loudly and harshly voicing criticism is the way to go regardless, it seems like if you want to get things done with Bioware, its what you do anyway.



Hopefully in the run up to ME3 a substantial amount of the marketing will be about how Bioware has "improved the RPG aspect of the game tremendously". If its not, then we know that "listen to the fans" shtick is a crock of you-know-what. There has been at least as much discontent of the dumbing down of the RPG elements in ME2 as there was criticism of the "weak" shooter aspect in ME1, so I expect to see changes come ME3.

[Erinlana]

Hey guys




Sorry i haven't been on much today i have up to my eyeballs in study papers again >.

On a further note , I understand what you are saying Les , about not playing me2 again until we get new Liara DLC , it seems like she is stuck behind that desk of her's , i wish we had the freedom to release her from her office and into Shepards arms for atleast a few min's =( ..


On a lighter note we can still adore her in mass effect 1 .

Modifié par Erinlana, 24 mai 2010 - 04:23 .

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Something tells me though that for all this groups ideas of Liara being a substantial part of upcoming DLC, I think its still the ME2 squad who are going to get the most attention from the "story filled between ME2 and ME3".

I think that, if the ME2 squad has recorded dialog for ME2 DLC, it will only be superficial comments as any one of them could be dead.  None of them can have a major role in this bridging story DLC.  Liara and the Virmire survivor can, though, which is why I think it would be more likely to feature them over ME2 squad mates.