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[Mithran88]

muskettman87 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


Even a tiny blurb or sentence from an interview would make me happy!

Exactly, any acknowledgement, now matter how big, is better than being left in the dark.

EDIT: Hell, even if they finally said "it doesn't exsist", that would be better than being strung along like this.IMO.

yeah exactly, sucks not knowing anything. If they said we will be or wont be it would be best than no knowledge of it whatsoever.

[Mithran88]

However happy I will be towards them doing DLC of Liara I'm more interested in seeing how they will make everything work bring her back as squadmember and LI in Mass Effect 3. Have faith that they will so many clues point to this. It's just the "feelings" and "what ifs" that make the long wait for the new game suck. I mean it will be a horror to wait so long for ME3 and them mess it all up. Im up for for the wait, am confident they will bring her back as I said, but its a long road ahead.

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

I just have no faith they won't go the typical, easy route that would attract the most people.  Movie!Shepard isn't going to be an emotional character, unfortunately, and it seems most movies (especially action ones) adhere to ridiculous gender norms.

Movies in general nowadays are written not with consideration for their content, but with consideration for their appeal to as many viewers as possible, to maximize profits. Sounds familiar? Exactly. The same is happening in video games more and more. This also means usually two types of lead characters: The marketable, and the politically correct (the latter is usually in the supporting role though).

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 mai 2010 - 08:39 .

[jlb524]

Mithran88 wrote...

However happy I will be towards them doing DLC of Liara I'm more interested in seeing how they will make everything work bring her back as squadmember and LI in Mass Effect 3. Have faith that they will so many clues point to this. It's just the "feelings" and "what ifs" that make the long wait for the new game suck. I mean it will be a horror to wait so long for ME3 and them mess it all up. Im up for for the wait, am confident they will bring her back as I said, but its a long road ahead.

That's why we hope the rumored 'DLC' will free Liara up (by resolving the SB business) so she can join the crew again in ME3.  I still don't think we'll see her on the Normandy after the DLC, as the devs have commented that ME2 will see no more squad mates after Kasumi.

[Mithran88]

jlb524 wrote...

Mithran88 wrote...

However happy I will be towards them doing DLC of Liara I'm more interested in seeing how they will make everything work bring her back as squadmember and LI in Mass Effect 3. Have faith that they will so many clues point to this. It's just the "feelings" and "what ifs" that make the long wait for the new game suck. I mean it will be a horror to wait so long for ME3 and them mess it all up. Im up for for the wait, am confident they will bring her back as I said, but its a long road ahead.

That's why we hope the rumored 'DLC' will free Liara up (by resolving the SB business) so she can join the crew again in ME3.  I still don't think we'll see her on the Normandy after the DLC, as the devs have commented that ME2 will see no more squad mates after Kasumi.

yeah I agree with you there, and its what Im hoping for as well. 

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

Movies in general nowadays are written not with consideration for their content, but with consideration for their appeal to as many viewers as possible, to maximize profits. Sounds familiar? Exactly. The same is happening in video games more and more. This also means usually two types of lead characters: The marketable, and the politically correct (the latter is usually in the supporting role though).

IDK, ME2?   

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

That's why we hope the rumored 'DLC' will free Liara up (by resolving the SB business) so she can join the crew again in ME3.  I still don't think we'll see her on the Normandy after the DLC, as the devs have commented that ME2 will see no more squad mates after Kasumi.

Yeah, thats what I was referencing a few days ago about ME2 DLC still focusing on the ME2 squad. I think at best we can hope Liara plays a minor supporting role, possibly in an expantion the frees her up for ME3.

In terms of the ship, squad and being close to Shepard, I dont expect to see anything like that though.

Unrelated, but Ive just been reading a rare article that gives ME2 a good roasting like it deserves, and its really heartening to see how many people in the comments agree. Its also funny that 75% of the defence of ME2 comes in the form of rabid, immature fanboyism like their mother has been insulted.

If Bioware is big on improvement through criticism, like I say, I hope articles like that are where they look, not the ass kissing 10/10 reviews that flat out refuse to comment on glaring flaws.

This place has also been a pretty good outlet for criticism, granted most is Liara oriented, but still, "people were just too damn happy with ME2" is no excuse come ME3.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That's why we hope the rumored 'DLC' will free Liara up (by resolving the SB business) so she can join the crew again in ME3.  I still don't think we'll see her on the Normandy after the DLC, as the devs have commented that ME2 will see no more squad mates after Kasumi.

Yeah, thats what I was referencing a few days ago about ME2 DLC still focusing on the ME2 squad. I think at best we can hope Liara plays a minor supporting role, possibly in an expantion the frees her up for ME3.

In terms of the ship, squad and being close to Shepard, I dont expect to see anything like that though.

Unrelated, but Ive just been reading a rare article that gives ME2 a good roasting like it deserves, and its really heartening to see how many people in the comments agree. Its also funny that 75% of the defence of ME2 comes in the form of rabid, immature fanboyism like their mother has been insulted.

If Bioware is big on improvement through criticism, like I say, I hope articles like that are where they look, not the ass kissing 10/10 reviews that flat out refuse to comment on glaring flaws.

This place has also been a pretty good outlet for criticism, granted most is Liara oriented, but still, "people were just too damn happy with ME2" is no excuse come ME3.

I do agree, ME2 has some flaws that really need fixing in ME3, and 10/10 reviews should not be given. I beleive ME2 deserves a 9.5 because of it's strong gameplay, it's techinal department was a huge 1-up compared to ME and the the VO, soundtrack and sound effects where done very well. This however some glraing problems like Bioware doing such a crappy job with the ME LI, a terriable story and some of the new characters don't even matter to the main story or any of the major side stories.

[IndigoWolfe]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

If Bioware is big on improvement through criticism, like I say, I hope articles like that are where they look, not the ass kissing 10/10 reviews that flat out refuse to comment on glaring flaws.

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

[bjdbwea]

No game should be given a perfect score. If I see 10/10 or 100/100, I already know the review is not worth reading. Simple as that. BG 2 and ME 1 are my favourite games ever, but even those two have their share of flaws.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 mai 2010 - 09:06 .

[kraidy1117]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

If Bioware is big on improvement through criticism, like I say, I hope articles like that are where they look, not the ass kissing 10/10 reviews that flat out refuse to comment on glaring flaws.

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

ME2 is a fantastic game, but no 10/10. Hardly any gameo ut there deseves a 10/10. There is only five games that I have played over the twenty years of gaming that deserve 10/10, ME2 does not deserve it.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

No game should be given a perfect score. If I see 10/10 or 100/100, I already know the review is not worth reading. Simple as that. BG 2 and ME 1 are my favourite games ever, but even those two have their share of flaws.

Only a couple of games deserve a perfect score, and whats funny is those games are very old, OoT comes to mind, by todau standerds it looks ****ty, but back in 1998, it was a masterpeaice and is still my fav game of all time.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

Clearly they liked it too much to overlook the games numerous faults.

For gods sake, Im agreeing with kraidy here: 10/10 is UNATTAINABLE. It should be the bar that can never be reached, so that you continue to strive to improve.

Perfection is a weakness, and ME2 was hailed as perfection by far too many so called "reviewers". Its sickening.

[Mithran88]

Everything will be brought out of the dark in ME3, if they do a good job at it or not is the question. I didnt like what they did in ME2 as well, but I know they had a reason for it, a goal, that will later be explained by ME3. I wont give them too much of a hard time as upset as I was with how they did Liara. However the game was solid and I thought they did well with all other fields, not as good as ME1 but its expected from the middle game of the trilogy.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

Clearly they liked it too much to overlook the games numerous faults.

For gods sake, Im agreeing with kraidy here: 10/10 is UNATTAINABLE. It should be the bar that can never be reached, so that you continue to strive to improve.

Perfection is a weakness, and ME2 was hailed as perfection by far too many so called "reviewers". Its sickening.

I think I am going to have a heart attack, me and dink agree on something at last.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

bjdbwea wrote...

No game should be given a perfect score. If I see 10/10 or 100/100, I already know the review is not worth reading. Simple as that. BG 2 and ME 1 are my favourite games ever, but even those two have their share of flaws.

Exactly!  I utterly adore BG II, and I see it as the masterpiece of gaming that no other game can match. Even I couldnt rate it as "perfect".

Anyway, this was a side point. To come back to the Liara romance, its no different in ME1. I thought the Liara romance was superb, but even then I have a massive list of things I thought could improve it.

[Mithran88]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

Clearly they liked it too much to overlook the games numerous faults.

For gods sake, Im agreeing with kraidy here: 10/10 is UNATTAINABLE. It should be the bar that can never be reached, so that you continue to strive to improve.

Perfection is a weakness, and ME2 was hailed as perfection by far too many so called "reviewers". Its sickening.

truestrike, always room for improvement and new ideas. To say something is perfect is delusional at best. without s strive to be better than what you already have or are gets you nowhere. 

[kraidy1117]

Mithran88 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

Clearly they liked it too much to overlook the games numerous faults.

For gods sake, Im agreeing with kraidy here: 10/10 is UNATTAINABLE. It should be the bar that can never be reached, so that you continue to strive to improve.

Perfection is a weakness, and ME2 was hailed as perfection by far too many so called "reviewers". Its sickening.

truestrike, always room for improvement and new ideas. To say something is perfect is delusional at best. without s strive to be better than what you already have or are gets you nowhere. 

I only coniser one game perfect and that's OoT, but that might be because I am very biased for it and fell in love with the game when it came out in 1998 and was just outstanding.

[Mithran88]

 Well its work time, see you all tomorrow fellow Liara fans 

[OrbitalWings]

Right, back to work on the drawing....

Will definately be finished tonight, and I may even be able to squeeze a one-shot Liara-related fanfic in.

[kraidy1117]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Right, back to work on the drawing....

Will definately be finished tonight, and I may even be able to squeeze a one-shot Liara-related fanfic in.

Can't wait

[bjdbwea]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Anyway, this was a side point. To come back to the Liara romance, its no different in ME1. I thought the Liara romance was superb, but even then I have a massive list of things I thought could improve it.

True. Do people even know what "perfection" means? I guess it's expected too much, when superlatives are thrown around all the time. They should just not expect me to take them seriously anymore. To think ME 2 is apparently BioWare's best rated game? Ridiculous. But I guess if the media says it's perfect, it must be true...

Back on topic. The Liara romance is brilliant, but I too could name numerous things that I would have liked. Some of course unrealistic, some just small changes or additions.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 mai 2010 - 09:26 .

[Jack Package]

I think that a %/10 rating should never be applied to games. I accept it with movies but with games? No. It's just to vague, where is the difference between 8/10 and 9/10?

The major gaming magazine in Germany has given ME 2 a rating of 88%, which is a very good rating though. They praise a lot of things but also criticize stuff, for example the finale. However they liked the game a lot and so this rating came out.

A 100/100 should as you say never be given.



To stay on topic:

MDK, I'm really curious. Liara pictures from you are welcome 24/7.

[IndigoWolfe]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Have you considered that the people who gave it those reviews actually *liked* the game?

Clearly they liked it too much to overlook the games numerous faults.

For gods sake, Im agreeing with kraidy here: 10/10 is UNATTAINABLE. It should be the bar that can never be reached, so that you continue to strive to improve.

Perfection is a weakness, and ME2 was hailed as perfection by far too many so called "reviewers". Its sickening.

Alright, I conceed and agree that a perfect 10 is rather much. But you seemed to be saying that the only reason people gave Mass Effect 2 good reviews was to kiss Bioware's ass, which I took exception to.

[Auzden]

well im takin a few hour break from oblivion and halo so hows Liara thread today?