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[Auzden]

i much liked liara's casual outfit in ME1 then in ME2. cool chick

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Alright, I conceed and agree that a perfect 10 is rather much. But you seemed to be saying that the only reason people gave Mass Effect 2 good reviews was to kiss Bioware's ass, which I took exception to.

I may have "seemed" to be saying that, but what I was "actually" saying was any idiot who refuses to list clear faults, even if its simply "not everyone who liked ME1 will appreciate the new shift in focus" (which is a line I saw much more realistic reviews take).

Instead these idiots will call a dramatic shift towards third person shooter gameplay "the future of RPGs". Like a rather apt forum topic alluded to, is the future of RPGs really "gears of war with a dialogue system"? (Thats a mild exagerration, but the point Im making is there is plenty of criticism to go around for ME2, and plenty of outcry about the stripping out and dumbing down of RPG elements. I expect to see that rectified when Bioware starts trying to sell folks on ME3 if Im going to purchase it.)

Giving Mass Effect 2 a good score is no problem. I can accept scores in the nines for people who appreciated its shift in direction. 10/10 however is not only stupid and blatant asskissing, it is also *wrong*.

Anyway, back to Liara:

Its funny isnt it, havent we heard this "do it right or not at all" attitude with Liara before about in game as well?

I think that speaks volumes about what has been "achieved" in ME2 with the ME1 LIs.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 mai 2010 - 09:58 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Auzden wrote...

well im takin a few hour break from oblivion and halo so hows Liara thread today?

Letting it slip that you play a shooter while on a Bioware thread... heavy risk...

[Jack Package]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Auzden wrote...

well im takin a few hour break from oblivion and halo so hows Liara thread today?

Letting it slip that you play a shooter while on a Bioware thread... heavy risk...

Shooters are great. Different, but great.
@ Auzden:
Well we are discussing Liara's possible role in the announced  ME movie. And I think this is very Liara related. We are not discussing just random traits of such a movie..

[Jack Package]

Jack Package wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Auzden wrote...

well im takin a few hour break from oblivion and halo so hows Liara thread today?

Letting it slip that you play a shooter while on a Bioware thread... heavy risk...

Shooters are great. Different, but great.
@ Auzden:
Well we are discussing Liara's possible role in the announced  ME movie. And I think this is very Liara related. We are not discussing just random traits of such a movie..

Apparently this just killed the thread.

[IndigoWolfe]

Jack Package wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Auzden wrote...

well im takin a few hour break from oblivion and halo so hows Liara thread today?

Letting it slip that you play a shooter while on a Bioware thread... heavy risk...

Shooters are great. Different, but great.

Yeah I know, but every other time I've heard them referenced here, it was with particular scorn.

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Auzden wrote...

i much liked liara's casual outfit in ME1 then in ME2. cool chick

I like both, but I definitely prefer Liara's labcoat attire from ME1. It just seems so...Liara. It suits her personality perfectly, and epitomises her intelligence and her adorably dorky, but very attractive personality!

The ME2 dress is great too, though. I like the shoulder pad thingies she wears, plus it's very form-fitting! Rawr!

Lab attire fits her better then her dress, even if her dress looks nice.

[jlb524]

I do despise shooters for the most part, love RPGs....old ones, I mean

I really only enjoyed ME1 for the story and characters, and the fact that I could play as just about any 'Shepard' I'd like.  The shooting was there, great, whatever.  ME2, while improving the shooting that's just 'there' to me and I don't care much about, provided a lackluster plot and all but destroyed my favorite characters from the first (including Shepard).

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Its funny isnt it, havent we heard this "do it right or not at all" attitude with Liara before about in game as well?

I think that speaks volumes about what has been "achieved" in ME2 with the ME1 LIs.

Yes, I believe some would have preferred no Liara in ME2 to the version we got. 

[Jack Package]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Auzden wrote...

i much liked liara's casual outfit in ME1 then in ME2. cool chick

I like both, but I definitely prefer Liara's labcoat attire from ME1. It just seems so...Liara. It suits her personality perfectly, and epitomises her intelligence and her adorably dorky, but very attractive personality!

The ME2 dress is great too, though. I like the shoulder pad thingies she wears, plus it's very form-fitting! Rawr!

Liara's outfit will be important in ME 3. I hope they continue the tradition of giving her appropriate but nevertheless nice-to-look-at dresses/outfits.
I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I like both, but I definitely prefer Liara's labcoat attire from ME1. It just seems so...Liara. It suits her personality perfectly, and epitomises her intelligence and her adorably dorky, but very attractive personality!

The ME2 dress is great too, though. I like the shoulder pad thingies she wears, plus it's very form-fitting! Rawr!

Rawr!

[jlb524]

Jack Package wrote...

I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

Yes, please, no uber-sexed up Liara!  It's just not her.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

I do despise shooters for the most part, love RPGs....old ones, I mean

I really only enjoyed ME1 for the story and characters, and the fact that I could play as just about any 'Shepard' I'd like.  The shooting was there, great, whatever.  ME2, while improving the shooting that's just 'there' to me and I don't care much about, provided a lackluster plot and all but destroyed my favorite characters from the first (including Shepard).

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Its funny isnt it, havent we heard this "do it right or not at all" attitude with Liara before about in game as well?

I think that speaks volumes about what has been "achieved" in ME2 with the ME1 LIs.

Yes, I believe some would have preferred no Liara in ME2 to the version we got. 

I don't think it destoryed Shepard at all, I felt more connected to my Shepard in mE2 then ME, and I prefer the characters more then in ME reason why I love ME2. Both games have flaws tho.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Returning briefly to the movie discussion with regards to Liara, yes I agree entirely about featuring her in-character, or not featuring her at all. I don't want to see her reduced to the cheap, Kirk-bait, hawt alien fling of the testosterone laden lead male John Shepard stereotypical action movie type character.

It's better to not have Liara featured at all, than to have her featured badly.

Ignoring the automatic male-protagonist-hate for now,

But what qualtifies as changing her character? If they tweaked it in ways to make her seem less damsell-in-distress like to an unlearned audience while still keeping the reserved and socially awkward elements that offset the other, more self-dependant, aspects of her character?

It would be a difficult line to walk, in any case. I just really don't want her character to be overemphasized any more than radically changed.

[kraidy1117]

Jack Package wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Auzden wrote...

i much liked liara's casual outfit in ME1 then in ME2. cool chick

I like both, but I definitely prefer Liara's labcoat attire from ME1. It just seems so...Liara. It suits her personality perfectly, and epitomises her intelligence and her adorably dorky, but very attractive personality!

The ME2 dress is great too, though. I like the shoulder pad thingies she wears, plus it's very form-fitting! Rawr!

Liara's outfit will be important in ME 3. I hope they continue the tradition of giving her appropriate but nevertheless nice-to-look-at dresses/outfits.
I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

They won't give a outfit like miri to Liara, it would not fit Liara, Miri's outfit does fit her.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I don't think it destoryed Shepard at all, I felt more connected to my Shepard in mE2 then ME, and I prefer the characters more then in ME reason why I love ME2. Both games have flaws tho.

I felt less connected to my Shepard.  Maybe b/c I didn't connect to an ME2 character as you did?

[IndigoWolfe]

jlb524 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

Yes, please, no uber-sexed up Liara!  It's just not her.

Well, don't forget that she already went around in the first game in a body-hugging suit. No, not in the vaccum-sealed impossibility that was Miranda's outfit (how does she fit underwear under that thing?), but still; she has never been completely immune to the element of sexualization.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I don't think it destoryed Shepard at all, I felt more connected to my Shepard in mE2 then ME, and I prefer the characters more then in ME reason why I love ME2. Both games have flaws tho.

I felt less connected to my Shepard.  Maybe b/c I didn't connect to an ME2 character as you did?

Most likely, I did't connect well to my Shepard in ME at all, loved the characters, but had trouble getting into Shepard for some reason, in ME2 I finnly felt like I was Shepard, only role I ever had trouble roleplaying.

[kraidy1117]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

Yes, please, no uber-sexed up Liara!  It's just not her.

Well, don't forget that she already went around in the first game in a body-hugging suit. No, not in the vaccum-sealed impossibility that was Miranda's outfit (how does she fit underwear under that thing?), but still; she has never been completely immune to the element of sexualization.

Indigo <_<

[Barquiel]

Samara's armour = matriarch outfit, even Morinth hates it^_^

Miranda: I like her loyality outfit, but I think Kraidy is right...it wouldn't fit Liara.

[Jack Package]

kraidy1117 wrote...

They won't give a outfit like miri to Liara, it would not fit Liara, Miri's outfit does fit her.

It fits her just so. It could not be any tighter.

Ok, bad puns aside..
Giving Liara a similar outfit would mean that they intend to 'sex up' Liara like jlb put it. It would of course not fit her, it would an apalling character change. And this as a whole, together with the new smexey suit, I would loathe.
(I seem to adore the word 'loathe'.)

[bjdbwea]

I don't have anything against shooters, I just don't want the Mass Effect series to become another one.

I also don't have anything against the new companions, I just don't want Liara to become like them. To be precise, I want her the become a crew member like them, but with the proper writing and attention she had in ME 1.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 mai 2010 - 10:31 .

[kraidy1117]

Barquiel wrote...

Samara's armour = matriarch outfit, even Morinth hates it^_^

Miranda: I like her loyality outfit, but I think Kraidy is right...it wouldn't fit Liara.

I love her black outfit because her curves are alot better, she does not have the ****** and she looks sexy but also looks alot better then her white outfit, I hate Miri's white outfit

[IndigoWolfe]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I don't think it destoryed Shepard at all, I felt more connected to my Shepard in mE2 then ME, and I prefer the characters more then in ME reason why I love ME2. Both games have flaws tho.

I felt less connected to my Shepard.  Maybe b/c I didn't connect to an ME2 character as you did?

I'm agreeing with Kraidy here. The lines like "You are who you are, Miranda, you don't have to make apologies for that." and "Even with all your upgrades; you're still human, just like the rest of us." seemed to portray plenty of character that I didn't see often in moments like those in ME1. Both games had their pros and their cons in different areas --speaking Shepard's character wise. But in general, ME2 did connect me more to Shepard.

Methinks it simply depends on the individual.