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[kraidy1117]

Jack Package wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They won't give a outfit like miri to Liara, it would not fit Liara, Miri's outfit does fit her.

It fits her just so. It could not be any tighter.

Ok, bad puns aside..
Giving Liara a similar outfit would mean that they intend to 'sex up' Liara like jlb put it. It would of course not fit her, it would an apalling character change. And this as a whole, together with the new smexey suit, I would loathe.
(I seem to adore the word 'loathe'.)

Ahahah, I mean her character. She was built to be perfect, was given these looks to give her a edge and has already accepted to be a tool for Cerberus, which is why she wears that outfit, she is not shy or her looks, which is why I loved her romance so much because it takes Shepard to make her relise she is not a tool.

Anyways going OT, back to Liara

[IndigoWolfe]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Indigo <_<

What'd I say?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I didnt connect with Shepard in ME2 either. Yeah, I was another missing a character to connect to, but regardless I felt Shepards dialogue and attitude accross the board got worse too. Another element of "streamlining" and "dumbing down" in that the dialogue felt more shallow, and had less options, and overall Shepard spoke far more without the player deciding it. Yeah, conversations seemed much more vibrant and alive in terms of physical movement and action, but whats the point if it also feels like the writing is weaker at the same time?

Mass Effect 2 actually puts me off Shepard, to the point where the final conversation with TIM makes me want to see him punched in his stupid, smug, emotionally crippled face.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 mai 2010 - 10:36 .

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm just predicting that, in order to fit her in to the ME movie, a movie that I expect will be little more than a summer blockbuster sci-fi action movie flick, they'll exaggerate aspects of her character and destroy all of the subtle and nuanced elements to her characterisation, in order to appeal to the demographic this movie will obviously be targeting.

Like jtav said earlier on in the thread, movie Liara will either be a pathetic, helpless, virginal, innocent and subservient hawt blue alien chick that acts as John Shepard's Kirkbait fling, or she'll be the hyper-aggressive, violent, stroppy and moody teenage Liara that we see in Redemption. Both would be absolutely awful.

I'm maintaining my solid stance of not creating any expectations for the Mass Effect movie, because it is simply too early to make any. While I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon of senseless optimism and say it's gonna be awesome, neither would I hop aboard the So-So Train down to Angstville and just say off hand that it's gonna suck in every respect.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I didnt connect with Shepard in ME2 either. Yeah, I was another missing a character to connect to, but regardless I felt Shepards dialogue and attitude accross the board got worse too. Another element of "streamlining" and "dumbing down" in that the dialogue felt more shallow, and had less options, and overall Shepard spoke far more without the player deciding it. Yeah, conversations seemed much more vibrant and alive in terms of physical movement and action, but whats the point if it also feels like the writing is weaker at the same time?

Mass Effect 2 actually puts me off Shepard, to the point where the final conversation with TIM makes me want to see him punched in his stupid, smug, emotionally crippled face.

So because you did't connect to the characters at all, you want the people who did connect to them to suffer in ME3 (which is the final pat of the trilogy) by having our fav characters getting crappy cameos while lIara, Ash and Kaidan get good parts?

[Jack Package]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Samara's armour = matriarch outfit, even Morinth hates it^_^

Miranda: I like her loyality outfit, but I think Kraidy is right...it wouldn't fit Liara.

I love her black outfit because her curves are alot better, she does not have the ****** and she looks sexy but also looks alot better then her white outfit, I hate Miri's white outfit

Now that you say it.. I always hate on Miri's suit, but I solely mean the white one. The black outfit is actually very nice. However armour would suit her better in combat IMO. But I like the colour. I even wouldn't mind if Liara would get black armour for combat (only), similar to these of the Asari commandos.

[IndigoWolfe]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I didnt connect with Shepard in ME2 either. Yeah, I was another missing a character to connect to, but regardless I felt Shepards dialogue and attitude accross the board got worse too. Another element of "streamlining" and "dumbing down" in that the dialogue felt more shallow, and had less options, and overall Shepard spoke far more without the player deciding it. Yeah, conversations seemed much more vibrant and alive in terms of physical movement and action, but whats the point if it also feels like the writing is weaker at the same time?

Mass Effect 2 actually puts me off Shepard, to the point where the final conversation with TIM makes me want to see him punched in his stupid, smug, emotionally crippled face.

So because you did't connect to the characters at all, you want the people who did connect to them to suffer in ME3 (which is the final pat of the trilogy) by having our fav characters getting crappy cameos while lIara, Ash and Kaidan get good parts?

I really, reeaaallly don't think that's what he's saying.

[kraidy1117]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I didnt connect with Shepard in ME2 either. Yeah, I was another missing a character to connect to, but regardless I felt Shepards dialogue and attitude accross the board got worse too. Another element of "streamlining" and "dumbing down" in that the dialogue felt more shallow, and had less options, and overall Shepard spoke far more without the player deciding it. Yeah, conversations seemed much more vibrant and alive in terms of physical movement and action, but whats the point if it also feels like the writing is weaker at the same time?

Mass Effect 2 actually puts me off Shepard, to the point where the final conversation with TIM makes me want to see him punched in his stupid, smug, emotionally crippled face.

So because you did't connect to the characters at all, you want the people who did connect to them to suffer in ME3 (which is the final pat of the trilogy) by having our fav characters getting crappy cameos while lIara, Ash and Kaidan get good parts?

I really, reeaaallly don't think that's what he's saying.

Well Dink does support cameo roles for the ME2 characters (which won't happen, it's more easy to bring back older characters then make new ones and get new VAs)

[bjdbwea]

How could I connect to a Shepard whose only reaction is ? And not only in the Liara scene, but pretty much everywhere. Often it just didn't feel like my Shepard anymore.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So because you did't connect to the characters at all, you want the people who did connect to them to suffer in ME3 (which is the final pat of the trilogy) by having our fav characters getting crappy cameos while lIara, Ash and Kaidan get good parts?

No, I dont want people to suffer. I want the characters to get the cameos they deserve because Bioware decided a good move for ME2 would be the ability to have the entire squad die in an amazing number of variable ways.

I dont want effort and resources wasted making characters who could be dead in someones save an large part of the game.

Ive squared with it in regards to Wrex, and I did so before ME2s. Its Bioware you should be taking this up with. Though they do tend to spew a lot of crap nowadays, one thing they flat out made clear to us ME1 LIs before ME2s relase was that they are "saved for ME3" and that the "ME2 squad cant say they".

Its the unfortunate downside of getting attached to a "suicide squad" memeber Im afraid.

Still, who knows? Maybe Bioware will do the idiotic thing and try and integrate the entire ME2 squad into ME3, where they will have next to no development because of how many of them are potentially dead in a huge number of players savegames.

[IndigoWolfe]

kraidy1117 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

I would absolutely loathe it if she would get Samara type armour or something similar to Miri's suit.

Yes, please, no uber-sexed up Liara!  It's just not her.

Well, don't forget that she already went around in the first game in a body-hugging suit. No, not in the vaccum-sealed impossibility that was Miranda's outfit (how does she fit underwear under that thing?), but still; she has never been completely immune to the element of sexualization.

Indigo <_<

No seriously, what'd I say? I thought you didn't like Miri's outfit...

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

How could I connect to a Shepard whose only reaction is ? And not only in the Liara scene, but pretty much everywhere. Often it just didn't feel like my Shepard anymore.

And Shepard was't in ME? You are Shepard, his emotions are yours, thats how I play. If something bad happens i reflect it for Shepard. It's not that hard, but I am a good role player so maybe thats why.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well Dink does support cameo roles for the ME2 characters (which won't happen, it's more easy to bring back older characters then make new ones and get new VAs)

Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Its much, MUCH easier to bring in new characters who are alive for EVERYONE, so that Bioware knows the content that is developed for these characters is reaching 100% of the player base.

How can hiring Yvonne Strahovski back for a huge role that is going to be cut for all the game saves where she died compare to that?

I support cameos for the ME2 squad because, yes, Im not particularly fond of the ME2 squad, but also because its the most cost effective and logical route to take. I think ME3 has a better chance at being a good finale if the ME2 squad are given a nice sideline role to end on.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So because you did't connect to the characters at all, you want the people who did connect to them to suffer in ME3 (which is the final pat of the trilogy) by having our fav characters getting crappy cameos while lIara, Ash and Kaidan get good parts?

No, I dont want people to suffer. I want the characters to get the cameos they deserve because Bioware decided a good move for ME2 would be the ability to have the entire squad die in an amazing number of variable ways.

I dont want effort and resources wasted making characters who could be dead in someones save an large part of the game.

Ive squared with it in regards to Wrex, and I did so before ME2s. Its Bioware you should be taking this up with. Though they do tend to spew a lot of crap nowadays, one thing they flat out made clear to us ME1 LIs before ME2s relase was that they are "saved for ME3" and that the "ME2 squad cant say they".

Its the unfortunate downside of getting attached to a "suicide squad" memeber Im afraid.

Still, who knows? Maybe Bioware will do the idiotic thing and try and integrate the entire ME2 squad into ME3, where they will have next to no development because of how many of them are potentially dead in a huge number of players savegames.

Only a monirty hav people dead or got people killed, Bioware made it harder to kill people. If someone dies, you lose a part of the story. Don't like it? Then go back and play ME2. You don't like miri and get her killed? You miss out on alot of big Cerberus things, a side quest and other stuff? Legion dies? You lose support of the Geth ect. Deaths should matter.

[IndigoWolfe]

@Kraidy and Bj 

Oh man, I don't see this going anywhere good...

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 25 mai 2010 - 10:52 .

[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

How could I connect to a Shepard whose only reaction is ? And not only in the Liara scene, but pretty much everywhere. Often it just didn't feel like my Shepard anymore.

And Shepard was't in ME? You are Shepard, his emotions are yours, thats how I play. If something bad happens i reflect it for Shepard. It's not that hard, but I am a good role player so maybe thats why.

For example, Liara's "confession" dialog
Liara:

Shepard:
answer a: (mission is important)
answer b:<_< (I hate you)

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well Dink does support cameo roles for the ME2 characters (which won't happen, it's more easy to bring back older characters then make new ones and get new VAs)

Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Its much, MUCH easier to bring in new characters who are alive for EVERYONE, so that Bioware knows the content that is developed for these characters is reaching 100% of the player base.

How can hiring Yvonne Strahovski back for a huge role that is going to be cut for all the game saves where she died compare to that?

I support cameos for the ME2 squad because, yes, Im not particularly fond of the ME2 squad, but also because its the most cost effective and logical route to take. I think ME3 has a better chance at being a good finale if the ME2 squad are given a nice sideline role to end on.

You do know that many characters like Miri has ALOT of loose ends? ME3 is the last of Shepard and these characters, not all the characters have been given closure and then theres Legion who is in fact vital to the Geth faction. You need Legion or you have no way to contact the Geth at all. Yvonne will not do a cameo, why? Because unlike some of the other VAs she is a high profile actress and is doing other things like a upcoming movie, Chuck season 4 and Miri for ME3. Getting new VAs will take more money, making new characters and there backgrounds will also take alot more money. It is better to go with the ME and ME2 squad, if you lose someone, you suffer for it.

[IndigoWolfe]

Barquiel wrote...

For example, Liara's "confession" dialog
Liara:

Shepard:
answer a: (mission is important)
answer b:<_< (I hate you)

Well, there's also;

Liara: Mother!

Benezia: Good night, Little Wing. I will see you again with the dawn...

Shepard:

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 25 mai 2010 - 10:55 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Only a monirty hav people dead or got people killed, Bioware made it harder to kill people. If someone dies, you lose a part of the story. Don't like it? Then go back and play ME2. You don't like miri and get her killed? You miss out on alot of big Cerberus things, a side quest and other stuff? Legion dies? You lose support of the Geth ect. Deaths should matter.

Okay, this is off topic and completely one sided, so Ill finish up with this:

You are advocating a course of action that would mean ME3 needs to be at least 3 or 4 games rolled into one.

"Only a minority of players got people killed" is absolute denial and flat out incorrect. Only a minority of players visit this board actually. Of the 1.5+ million ME2 players, hundreds of thousans will have got squadmates killed. That is just plain obvious. It was a selling point of the game that "not everyone may survive".

I dont like having my favourite character given a crap role under the (possibly BS) assurance its to "save her for ME3" (saved for what exactly?) I had to deal with it though, as I believe fans of the ME2 squad should have to deal with the fact that the suicide mission is over with now. The ME2 squad should follow their own paths in sideline roles in ME3. Like folks said about the ME1 LIs "it will be good for their character to have a life away from Shepard".

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 mai 2010 - 10:55 .

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Only a monirty hav people dead or got people killed, Bioware made it harder to kill people. If someone dies, you lose a part of the story. Don't like it? Then go back and play ME2. You don't like miri and get her killed? You miss out on alot of big Cerberus things, a side quest and other stuff? Legion dies? You lose support of the Geth ect. Deaths should matter.

Okay, this is off topic and completely one sided, so Ill finish up with this:

You are advocating a course of action that would mean ME3 needs to be at least 3 or 4 games roled into one.

"Only a minority of players got people killed" is absolute denial and flat out incorrect. Only a minority of players visit this board actually. Of the 1.5+ million ME2 players, hundreds of thousans will have got squadmates killed. That is just plain obvious. It was a selling point of the game that "not everyone may survive".

I dont like having my favourite character given a crap role under the (possibly BS) assurance its to "save her for ME3" (saved for what exactly?) I had to deal with it though, as I believe fans of the ME2 squad should have to deal with the fact that the suicide mission is over with now. The ME2 squad should follow their own paths in sideline roles in ME3. Like folks said about the ME1 LIs "it will be good for their character to have a life away from Shepard".

No, unlike liara, Kaidan and Ash, they had no loose ends after ME, Miri, Jack and Thane have alot of loose ends and characters like Tali and Legion are vital to the Geth and Quarian fued. Why can't you just admit it? You want us ME2 fans to suffer because your fav character was made a cameo, in THE SECOND CHAPTER of the trilogy. Doing a cameo to the ME2 squad for ME3 is not smart, it's pure lazness because some characters have loose ends and need closure. I have all 12 sitting on my ship, waiting for closure for each character, cameos won't do that and if Bioware pulls that ME3 will do poorly in sales because alot of people won't buy it because not only is Bioware telling people that ME2 was a waste of time, but the characters where just there for eye candy and useless and that Liara, Ash and Kaidan are the real LI and the ME2 Li where just flings.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

The ME2 squad have no loose ends. Thats what the whole "loyalty mission" garbage was about.



Why dont you just face it, the ME2 squad are expendable, and many variations are dead for a lot of folks.



Getting a cameo is what they deserve for how they have been written.

[IndigoWolfe]

My rule 34 sense is tingling...

[OrbitalWings]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

My rule 34 sense is tingling...

Already on their DNP list.

I don't fancy my work being exhibited beside Rugrats porn.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 25 mai 2010 - 11:04 .