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[Fiannawolf]

I for one wouldnt mind getting a link via PM to see what the final product looks like MDK. Its always nice to see tasteful art done. Unlike some foul things lurking on DA. In fact I happened upon a male shep/Aria pic that made me squick becuase it was masterfully untasteful and downright unsexy.

[jlb524]

Noxis6 wrote...

Well that pretty much leads to the next question,how long is an asari childhood exactly,we know they reach maturity at the age of 40,but that still leaves what happens in between I would speculate it takes longer for an asari child to grow into her adult form then for a human child
On a sidenote we also do not really know if matriachs have any special biotic "tricks" Benezia could have thaught Liara,from a gameplay perspective she was a relativly disapointing boss,though the encounter led to a few occasional bugs

Yeah, the 40's seems to be their 'late teens' (judging from Morinth).  She would have been trained for biotic greatness her whole childhood, I think.  They start training 5 year olds to be tennis/golf/figure skating pros, why not biotics?  We know human children are capable of biotic training (Ascension program, Jack's Cerberus lab), I'd imagine asari start to train also at a young age.

I know Benezia isn't a tough boss, but in lore, she's one of the most powerful asari biotics (which makes her one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy).   Like, in the lore, Jack can take out three heavy mechs and Samara can fly!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Noxis6 wrote...

Well that pretty much leads to the next question,how long is an asari childhood exactly,we know they reach maturity at the age of 40,but that still leaves what happens in between I would speculate it takes longer for an asari child to grow into her adult form then for a human child
On a sidenote we also do not really know if matriachs have any special biotic "tricks" Benezia could have thaught Liara,from a gameplay perspective she was a relativly disapointing boss,though the encounter led to a few occasional bugs

Yeah, the 40's seems to be their 'late teens' (judging from Morinth).  She would have been trained for biotic greatness her whole childhood, I think.  They start training 5 year olds to be tennis/golf/figure skating pros, why not biotics?  We know human children are capable of biotic training (Ascension program, Jack's Cerberus lab), I'd imagine asari start to train also at a young age.

I know Benezia isn't a tough boss, but in lore, she's one of the most powerful asari biotics (which makes her one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy).   Like, in the lore, Jack can take out three heavy mechs and Samara can fly!

Jack is the most powerful human Biotic, Samara is one of the strongest biotics living right now.I could see Liara being that powerful when she gets to Samaras age.

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do get the impression that Liara is very precociously powerful with her biotics. She's the daughter of an asari Matriarch, and one of the most powerful and renowned asari in the galaxy. It's likely that Benezia trained Liara from an early age and helped her hone her talents. Plus, there's the distinct possibility that biotic power and skill is hereditary in species in which biotic power is natural, like the asari and krogan.

Plus, Liara has spent 50 years of her life studying the Protheans in remote and hostile digsites, having to defend herself from pirates, mercs and slavers. This could work to increase and hone her biotic ability to an even greater level. In addition, Liara was able to defeat and kill Nyxeris, and asari by far her senior. Nyxeris would have had to have been very powerful, as she's a senior Shadow Broker agent and he would want his top agents to be very powerful and able. Liara was able to beat her, despite only being an asari maiden.

So yeah. Liara is very powerful for her age. Imagine how powerful she's going to become once she hits the matron or matriarch stages? Wow! She's going to be a biotic powerhouse!

Well we still dont know whats so special about being Benezias daughter aside from reputation or whats so special about a matriach in general or what "tricks" asari learn in that stage
Also I doubt all the digsites she visited were filled up with pirates,mercs and slavers to the last room and taking care of Varren I would say isnt that hard with only some basic training
As for Nyxeris,what do we really know about her,we have no idea how old she is,the only thing we have is Liaras biotic barriers comment,also I doubt rising high up in the SBs hirachy requires great fighting ability,for example I would say Barla Vons ability to fight is zero,though I never saw him high up in the agents ranks,I would also theorise that the SB is not a great fighter himself,but more like just a person with a brilliant mind

When it comes to Liara power level I would say looking at the fact that she is that young its quite rediculous how far she could rise,there has to be a limit to it in the end also while I would say she sure has talent I dont see her as that super special when it comes to her biotic potential,despite the image the comic presents

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Jack is the most powerful human Biotic, Samara is one of the strongest biotics living right now.I could see Liara being that powerful when she gets to Samaras age.

Well, yeah, I agree Liara has nothing on Samara, as young as she is.  The Liara vs. Jack thing is debatable.  I still say Liara is slightly more powerful (even in her 'youth') given she's an asari and has still had more practice using biotics than Jack has (being that she's 108 years old).

I don't know if that means Liara would necesarrily win in a fight against Jack, as there is more to a fight than power/experience.

[kraidy1117]

Noxis6 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do get the impression that Liara is very precociously powerful with her biotics. She's the daughter of an asari Matriarch, and one of the most powerful and renowned asari in the galaxy. It's likely that Benezia trained Liara from an early age and helped her hone her talents. Plus, there's the distinct possibility that biotic power and skill is hereditary in species in which biotic power is natural, like the asari and krogan.

Plus, Liara has spent 50 years of her life studying the Protheans in remote and hostile digsites, having to defend herself from pirates, mercs and slavers. This could work to increase and hone her biotic ability to an even greater level. In addition, Liara was able to defeat and kill Nyxeris, and asari by far her senior. Nyxeris would have had to have been very powerful, as she's a senior Shadow Broker agent and he would want his top agents to be very powerful and able. Liara was able to beat her, despite only being an asari maiden.

So yeah. Liara is very powerful for her age. Imagine how powerful she's going to become once she hits the matron or matriarch stages? Wow! She's going to be a biotic powerhouse!

Well we still dont know whats so special about being Benezias daughter aside from reputation or whats so special about a matriach in general or what "tricks" asari learn in that stage
Also I doubt all the digsites she visited were filled up with pirates,mercs and slavers to the last room and taking care of Varren I would say isnt that hard with only some basic training
As for Nyxeris,what do we really know about her,we have no idea how old she is,the only thing we have is Liaras biotic barriers comment,also I doubt rising high up in the SBs hirachy requires great fighting ability,for example I would say Barla Vons ability to fight is zero,though I never saw him high up in the agents ranks,I would also theorise that the SB is not a great fighter himself,but more like just a person with a brilliant mind

When it comes to Liara power level I would say looking at the fact that she is that young its quite rediculous how far she could rise,there has to be a limit to it in the end also while I would say she sure has talent I dont see her as that super special when it comes to her biotic potential,despite the image the comic presents

Your confusing gameplay and lore. In lore we have yet to see what Liara can truly do, we have only heard of some of her powers, fights and adventures.

[jlb524]

In comic book lore, Liara can wipe out a room full of merchs with a biotic tornado thing...she's quite powerful!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Jack is the most powerful human Biotic, Samara is one of the strongest biotics living right now.I could see Liara being that powerful when she gets to Samaras age.

Well, yeah, I agree Liara has nothing on Samara, as young as she is.  The Liara vs. Jack thing is debatable.  I still say Liara is slightly more powerful (even in her 'youth') given she's an asari and has still had more practice using biotics than Jack has (being that she's 108 years old).

I don't know if that means Liara would necesarrily win in a fight against Jack, as there is more to a fight than power/experience.

It depends where the fight took place, if it was in s small room lik Liaras office, Jack would win because Jack is very dangerous with her ibotic punch, slam and other things we have seen in lore. In a open area thats bigger, Liara would win because as an Asari she has more control and would be able to steady herself, where Jack would run out of juice. Remember, in lore human biotics get tired after awhile after too much biotic use.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

In comic book lore, Liara can wipe out a room full of merchs with a biotic tornado thing...she's quite powerful!

I support that for ME3

[Noxis6]

jlb524 wrote...

In comic book lore, Liara can wipe out a room full of merchs with a biotic tornado thing...she's quite powerful!

While she descripes this in the game as "barely escaped with my own life"<_<

That really gives you the feeling there was little to no coordination between game and comic

[kraidy1117]

Noxis6 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

In comic book lore, Liara can wipe out a room full of merchs with a biotic tornado thing...she's quite powerful!

While she descripes this in the game as "barely escaped with my own life"<_<

That really gives you the feeling there was little to no coordination between game and comic

Read the last issue, she almost did die, it was because of Foron(sp) sacerficed him self for liara. She was not lying.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 26 mai 2010 - 10:10 .

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

It depends where the fight took place, if it was in s small room lik Liaras office, Jack would win because Jack is very dangerous with her ibotic punch, slam and other things we have seen in lore. In a open area thats bigger, Liara would win because as an Asari she has more control and would be able to steady herself, where Jack would run out of juice. Remember, in lore human biotics get tired after awhile after too much biotic use.

Well, yeah that too.  I think there are many variables in who would win that fight, as Liara and Jack are (in my mind) pretty close in overall biotic ability.   When I say 'more powerful' I guess I just mean 'raw potential', but that alone will not win any fight.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

It depends where the fight took place, if it was in s small room lik Liaras office, Jack would win because Jack is very dangerous with her ibotic punch, slam and other things we have seen in lore. In a open area thats bigger, Liara would win because as an Asari she has more control and would be able to steady herself, where Jack would run out of juice. Remember, in lore human biotics get tired after awhile after too much biotic use.

Well, yeah that too.  I think there are many variables in who would win that fight, as Liara and Jack are (in my mind) pretty close in overall biotic ability.   When I say 'more powerful' I guess I just mean 'raw potential', but that alone will not win any fight.

It would be a very good biotic fight, however Samara vs Liara, I feel sorry for Liara Just look at that biotic fight with Samara and morinth, it was amazing but scary at the same time with things floating everywhere.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 26 mai 2010 - 10:15 .

[Nerevar-as]

I would give the fight to Jack, she is way more agressive,evenprobably with less raw power, unless Liara was already angry before they start.
In gameplay she was the most powerful character unless playing an adept Shepard and assuming the comic was as cutscenes from the game probably only Samara could take her. Would have liked to see them comparing notes: Liara doing Reave?

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 26 mai 2010 - 10:42 .

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do get the impression that Liara is very precociously powerful with her biotics. She's the daughter of an asari Matriarch, and one of the most powerful and renowned asari in the galaxy. It's likely that Benezia trained Liara from an early age and helped her hone her talents. Plus, there's the distinct possibility that biotic power and skill is hereditary in species in which biotic power is natural, like the asari and krogan.

Plus, Liara has spent 50 years of her life studying the Protheans in remote and hostile digsites, having to defend herself from pirates, mercs and slavers. This could work to increase and hone her biotic ability to an even greater level. In addition, Liara was able to defeat and kill Nyxeris, and asari by far her senior. Nyxeris would have had to have been very powerful, as she's a senior Shadow Broker agent and he would want his top agents to be very powerful and able. Liara was able to beat her, despite only being an asari maiden.

So yeah. Liara is very powerful for her age. Imagine how powerful she's going to become once she hits the matron or matriarch stages? Wow! She's going to be a biotic powerhouse!

the raw potential is great, would be neat if in later games ones that come after the trilogy and if Liara was to be in them that they showed her at her matriarch stage. ..and just how powerful she has become  and i wish they would have showed the fight between her and Nyxeris... would have been epic! 

Modifié par Mithran88, 26 mai 2010 - 10:58 .

[Jack Package]

Cartims wrote...

I think she can use a pulse rifle.....she did in ME1

Old post.. but Liara with the Geth pulse rifle was indeed a beast. Eventually I switched to pistol because she was stealing all my kills. Well also she lifted and singulariticized (argh) half of the enemies on instant, biotics surely were overpowered as some said it already. But it was nevertheless nice to have such a powerful squadmate with Liara. I would wish to see her with some serious biotic power in ME 3.

Les, your FemShep looks good, you really achieved to get the look you wanted. I really am curious how the FemSheps of all the other people here in the thread look like. I wouldn't also mind to post mine. However rather not in this thread. Is there a proper place on the forums here, a group or something? Maybe we could just hijack (in a good way) the "If you show me your Shepard.." thread.

[Nerevar-as]

Liara in Matriarch state would mean ME4+ set about 600 years later...which would be a good way of dealing with the different shape of the galaxy after ME3 with the Paragon/Renegade routes.

[ratzerman]

This is just awesome. Anyway, how about a pic?

[jlb524]

@Jack Package



I just posted my Shep in that 'Shepard character thread'...go for it!

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I have actually theorised that they could guarantee Liara surivives ME3 as she is the one possible remaining character link to the original trilogy if they decide to then release games set hundreds of years after the events of ME3. Liara could appear in those games as a Matriarch, and provide references and a link to the original trilogy, and Shepard's story. Hey, maybe they'll allow us to import a file if she was romanced, and Liara will speak fondly of Shepard and that she misses Shep so much. Would be pretty nice, and very moving!

would be great! 

[Nerevar-as]

If they did that and go all the way we should see their daughters too. One can olny hope.

[Nerevar-as]

If they did that and go all the way we should see their daughters too. One can olny hope.