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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I always wondered how Liara would feel knowing that Shepard hates her and feel that she have betrayed him. Must be terrible to have 2 years of fear and self hatred come to frution.

[Derumiel]

Ah, good to know, I also haven't heared that line before. ^^'



But a very interesting/meaningful line, indeed.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I gathered that the line Liara says that's something like "And if I hadn't done so you'd still be dead!" is said after Shepard gets pissed at her. The manner in which Liara says that line is so sad, very tragic. She sounds heartbroken.

It is indeed...very good voice acting from Hillis!

[Captain Iglo]

Nerevar-as wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...
I don't think there's any doubt she'll be in the movie.  A sexed up, hollowed out nightmare version of her.

I said it before in the group, but you know those Hollywood movies with an Asian setiing, like in China or Japan? You know how the white American male protagonist has a fling with a demure, shy, submissive and delicate local girl, before then moving on to the more "legitimate" fellow American woman?

Liara and her romance will be a sci-fi version of that. John Shepard will sleep with a subserviant and delicate version of Liara, before then moving on to an exagerrated neo-con racist parody of Ashley. Fun times!

Don´t think so. Ashley has to die to redeem her family name, though I found the Shanxi thing more as the Wiliiams deserving an apology. With Miranda however...

No they need a Love for the main character in the first movie! Hollywood rule. Its for the mainstream appeal...and Alien chicks wont even be considered...so Ashley is the only option.

[Mykel54]

I think Liara is having survivor´s guilt, in relation to his drell friend. I believe that is what she refers when she says that line "i have to do this for you.. and me". I don´t see Liara as the kind of person who only cares about saving his skin, i think it is a bit similar to the Garrus-Sidonis situation, in that Liara wants to make the shadow broker pay, and like Garrus she becomes more "renegade" in his ways.

[jlb524]

Mykel54 wrote...

I think Liara is having survivor´s guilt, in relation to his drell friend. I believe that is what she refers when she says that line "i have to do this for you.. and me". I don´t see Liara as the kind of person who only cares about saving his skin, i think it is a bit similar to the Garrus-Sidonis situation, in that Liara wants to make the shadow broker pay, and like Garrus she becomes more "renegade" in his ways.

That's what most think around here (never thought of the Garrus comparison though).

Not only that, but Liara chose to save a dead body (Shepard) over a living person (Feron). 

[Noxis6]

Well Garrus was pretty renegade to begin with if you want to call it that so you could say what he does is still pretty much in character,you could say



But actually the main problem with Liaras plot is that her whole revenge thing is really based on weak foundations

Feron being one of them,I mean she doesnt trust him,she doesnt even like him that much and he screws her over at every opportunity he gets and then he becomes the best friend she ever had within a few pages,if he would have been introduced as a character she had some dealings with in the past like for example he sold her some info on locations of prothean ruins or whatever,you know some sort of relationship it might have worked out better



Also I will say it again when it comes to Feron she is most likely just chasing another corpse,if he was still alive the SB would have used him against her by now

[jlb524]

I doubt Feron is alive too. I don't think it matters as I think Liara herself has given up on finding him alive. Stopping the SB is more for herself at this point, IMO.

[pf17456]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...
I don't think there's any doubt she'll be in the movie.  A sexed up, hollowed out nightmare version of her.

I said it before in the group, but you know those Hollywood movies with an Asian setiing, like in China or Japan? You know how the white American male protagonist has a fling with a demure, shy, submissive and delicate local girl, before then moving on to the more "legitimate" fellow American woman?

Liara and her romance will be a sci-fi version of that. John Shepard will sleep with a subserviant and delicate version of Liara, before then moving on to an exagerrated neo-con racist parody of Ashley. Fun times!

Don´t think so. Ashley has to die to redeem her family name, though I found the Shanxi thing more as the Wiliiams deserving an apology. With Miranda however...

No they need a Love for the main character in the first movie! Hollywood rule. Its for the mainstream appeal...and Alien chicks wont even be considered...so Ashley is the only option.

Sorry Captian I've got to respectfully disagree based on a comment made by the movie producer.
("We are thrilled to be working with Legendary," said producer Avi Arad. "EA and BioWare are terrific partners who have created a brilliant piece of fiction with a universe filled with amazing aliens and technology. More importantly, though, they created a parable whose conflicts mirror the ones we currently face in our own world. This story emphasizes the need for all cultures to learn to work together. All this magic is presented in a fast paced action-adventure that makes for the best kind of movie experience." )

What better way to dramatically portray cultural acceptance than to have Liara and Shepard fall in love. If they retain the personality characteristics from the game then Liara is by far the best choice because she represents a character devoid of racism whereas Ashley has an ax to grind about aliens.

[jlb524]

You do forget that Ash changes her mind about non-humans when romanced by Shepard. That might be where the 'emphasizes the need for all cultures to learn to work together' bit comes in to play.

[Captain Iglo]

Thats good for the producer ...but If the studio says a human love has more mainstream appeal, meaning makes more money, then the prodcuer and the rest of the crew have to follow.

[Sunnie]

Why are you people specualting about a movie that doesn't even have a script? Do you all really think they are going to put Shepard in this movie? Putting Shep in this movie, or any other current squad characters from either game (but mostly Shepard) is extremely risky since everyones Shep is different and personalized to some degree. There are a ton of fans that hate maleShep, hate femShep, hate Sheploo, hate paragons, hate renegades, etc. Putting Shepard in this movie will force Sheploo into the lead role which will anger maleShep haters and Sheploo haters. Again, for other curent characters, how can you use them without Shepard? Their stories are completely dependent on Shepard, and what ever influence your Shep had on them. Wake up people...



Oh and: I love Liara! BW you ruined Liara's character.

[jlb524]

You may be right, Sunnie, but 'haters' are a small subgroup of fans....this movie would be made to a appeal to a large audience, most who haven't even played the game or ever heard of it.

Sunnie22 wrote...

Oh and: I love Liara! BW you ruined Liara's character.

FOR RLZ!!!!  Please don't ruin her any more!

[Nerevar-as]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Why are you people specualting about a movie that doesn't even have a script? Do you all really think they are going to put Shepard in this movie? Putting Shep in this movie, or any other current squad characters from either game (but mostly Shepard) is extremely risky since everyones Shep is different and personalized to some degree. There are a ton of fans that hate maleShep, hate femShep, hate Sheploo, hate paragons, hate renegades, etc. Putting Shepard in this movie will force Sheploo into the lead role which will anger maleShep haters and Sheploo haters. Again, for other curent characters, how can you use them without Shepard? Their stories are completely dependent on Shepard, and what ever influence your Shep had on them. Wake up people...

Oh and: I love Liara! BW you ruined Liara's character.

How many people got the game? 3 million? They are aiming higher than that, so I don´t think they´ll care that much about what we think. Wait till casting,etc starts, people reactions are going to be worse the The last airbender.

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The line will be said if Shepard is angry at Liara for handing is body to Cerberus. I always find the way she says the line so tragic!

Ahhhhhh, I see. So that's why I've never heard that line before!

I gathered that the line Liara says that's something like "And if I hadn't done so you'd still be dead!" is said after Shepard gets pissed at her. The manner in which Liara says that line is so sad, very tragic. She sounds heartbroken.

Interesting but I see why I have never heard that line before as well. If they do make a movie I hope its in the past or future. They could really mess things up if they did it during the games timeline. Id rather Liara not be in it at all than have a chance for them to ruin her completely 

[Captain Iglo]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Why are you people specualting about a movie that doesn't even have a script? Do you all really think they are going to put Shepard in this movie? Putting Shep in this movie, or any other current squad characters from either game (but mostly Shepard) is extremely risky since everyones Shep is different and personalized to some degree. There are a ton of fans that hate maleShep, hate femShep, hate Sheploo, hate paragons, hate renegades, etc. Putting Shepard in this movie will force Sheploo into the lead role which will anger maleShep haters and Sheploo haters. Again, for other curent characters, how can you use them without Shepard? Their stories are completely dependent on Shepard, and what ever influence your Shep had on them. Wake up people...

Oh and: I love Liara! BW you ruined Liara's character.

Sorry but I disagree...WE are not the target audience....the goal of this movie is not to please us...the goal of this movie is to bring Sci FI to the mainstream audience (that we are definatley not!)! Building on the succes of the games, the new Star Trek and Avatar...go with the wave. And make a ****load of money with it!
They expect us to see it anyway...so they will go with the characters that most casual gamers know and the one Shepard we all know! And has to be paragon because renegade wouldnt work with mainstream!
Thats why I also doubt they will take Liara as a Li...because I dont expect that a Li with an alien is appealing to the masses.

Edit: oh and this movie will definitley be 3D

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 27 mai 2010 - 04:21 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

We're only joking when we speculate about this movie, Sunnie. Well, at least I am. Everything I've posted about it in this thread has been very tongue in cheek.

Yes, me too!  The movie's a total joke, IMO, and will probably suck no matter if Liara's in it.  The one good thing about it is that it will provide us plenty of wonderful opportunities to mock it.

Regarding Feron's status, yeah he's dead. I think Liara knows that, too. She says "For what he did to my friend, and to you and etc." Past tense. Like J said, it's more for Liara's own sake now, for her own happiness and to ease herself of her pain. That's why she tells Shepard "For you....and for me". As I've always said, the fact that we're artificially prevented through Shepard from comforting her is very telling. It's a contrived way of maintaining the status quo, and not allowing a resolution to Liara's current character arc. If we were able to ease her guilt for handing Shepard over to Cerberus, and let her know she isn't hated, she'll be back on the Normandy.

As that can't happen yet, Shepard has to be as emotional as a bag of bricks during Liara's scenes.

I just wish they could have done a better job maintaining the 'status quo'.  We can tell her she's not hated though and her guilt over that is eased.  She still has the Feron guilt thing and this is still driving her to continue on searching for the SB.  Also, she's so close to finding him....why give up now and render the past two very difficult years of her life pointless?

[bjdbwea]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Sorry but I totaly disagree...WE are not the target audience....the goal of this movie is not to please us...the goal of this movie is to bring Sci FI to the mainstream audience (that we are definatley not!)! Building on the succes of the games, the new Star Trek and Avatar...go with the wave. And make a ****load of money with it!
They expect us to see it anyway...so they will go with the characters that most casual gamers know and the one Shepard we all know! And has to be paragon because renegade wouldnt work with mainstream!
Thats why I also doubt they will take Liara as a Li...because I dont expect that a Li with an alien is appealing to the masses.

Yeah, I agree for the most part. It was the same with the game: All those changes, to appeal to the mainstream. Of course they took for granted that their fans would buy the game anyway. Well, they did. I did too. But with me this only works once. And at the moment I don't think I'll watch the movie either. Certainly not if it's about a Shepard who isn't mine.

That said, and on-topic, I disagree with your last sentence. A Quarian for example will never get that role in a movie, you are right about that. Doesn't fly with the targeted mainstream audience. But if the alien is as exotically beautiful - to human eyes - and as "compatible" with humans as Liara and the Asari in general, it would work. With a male protagonist, of course. But the main problem, as others said, is that it would almost certainly just be as a priiize for the cool action hero. Probably one of several throughout the movie(s). Well, one reason more I won't be watching them.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 27 mai 2010 - 04:29 .

[Mithran88]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

We're only joking when we speculate about this movie, Sunnie. Well, at least I am. Everything I've posted about it in this thread has been very tongue in cheek.

Regarding Feron's status, yeah he's dead. I think Liara knows that, too. She says "For what he did to my friend, and to you and etc." Past tense. Like J said, it's more for Liara's own sake now, for her own happiness and to ease herself of her pain. That's why she tells Shepard "For you....and for me". As I've always said, the fact that we're artificially prevented through Shepard from comforting her is very telling. It's a contrived way of maintaining the status quo, and not allowing a resolution to Liara's current character arc. If we were able to ease her guilt for handing Shepard over to Cerberus, and let her know she isn't hated, she'll be back on the Normandy.

As that can't happen yet, Shepard has to be as emotional as a bag of bricks during Liara's scenes.

totally agree but it suck sooo much that we cant do anything 

[bjdbwea]

Your best chance would be to write it yourself. I think you could do that brilliantly.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That's very true, J. I do think it is a little selfish to expect Liara to drop everything and run off with Shepard, and that's not even taking her pain and guilt over Shepard into consideration.

Right.  Two years of long nights working to find information that can bring her closer to stopping the SB.  Two years of pain, sweat, tears, blood even;  Liara poured all of herself and more into this task.  She can't drop it as easily as we hope/expect, especially when she feels she is so close to accomplishing her original goal.