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[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

It's still my theory that they want to sweep Liara under the rug for that particular reason (among others). They could of course allow her to be an LI for male Shepards only in ME 3, but since that would be all too obvious, it's far easier just to make her romance disappear for everyone.

Oh, I agree!  I'm glad I'm not the only one that worries about this

I've heard someone say they could just allow male Shepards to continue the romance, and explain the lack of FemShep romance content as an 'unfortunate glitch' in order to save their butts.

But to stay on topic, don't be surprised if there is no romance content, even if Liara is in ME 3 or a DLC.

I have a feeling BW's going to start toning down their romances.  Someday, I think they will be a thing of the past, as far as BW games go.  I wouldn't be surprised with no Liara romance stuff (for reasons you mentioned above) but I'd be quite upset

Modifié par jlb524, 28 mai 2010 - 06:48 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hello again! I'm back (like Arnold) after a long train ride.

Anyway I said I'll write my take on a farewell scene in the fabeled Liara DLC. Since people liked my first suggestion enough to make me continue.

IF LIARA WAS NOT YOUR LI:
Shepard walks out of the briefing room
where Liara waits outside. She personally thanks Shepard for what he
have done to help her and promise to be back on the Normandy again once
she finished some buisness on Illium. Before she leaves Shepard can get
the option to ask why she sacrificed so much for him. To which she
respond that she will always have feelings for him no matter what.
If
shepard does not have an LI, you get the option to say your interested
in her.

IF YOU STAYED LOYAL:
Shepard is seen sitting at his desk, writing a report on the day's event. The door is opened and Liara is seen walking in (sorta like just before heading to Ilos?).
Liara will say how they haven't had any real chance to talk and that she wishes to have a propper goodbye. Shepard will ask if there still anything left of the love they once shared, telling that he was afraid that she no longer cared for him after Illium (Bioware did intend to make us uncertain of the relationship).
Liara will start to break down emotionally. She will tell that all the stress, grief, anger and fear that she had inside her everyday for the last 2 years made her cold and distant.
"Eventually, I forgot who I was."  
Liara will finally break down completly and the player will finally be able to properly comfort Liara. The camera will zoom out showing the couple holding each other tightly together, then fade to black.

A new scene will then start. Both of them are at the airlock, the SR2 have docked at Illium at it's time for Liara to say goodbye. She will say that she still have a few loose ends back that she needs to take care of. Shepard will be slightly disapointed but understand. The two then kiss each other while the crew goes all "Awwwwwww" then either kelly or Joker will comment.

Damn! That took a long time to come up with! :happy: Feel free to comment on it! If you like it enough I'll try to write a take on the "cheated on Liara".

"EDIT" Also just putted my first idea in again to those that didn't see it.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 mai 2010 - 06:51 .

[jlb524]

Cartims wrote...

There is always real life romance.........just a thought!

Nooooo!!!

[bjdbwea]

bjdbwea wrote...

I've heard someone say they could just allow male Shepards to continue the romance, and explain the lack of FemShep romance content as an 'unfortunate glitch' in order to save their butts.

Nah, as I said, that's simply too obvious. An important aspect is that no ones wants to appear intolerant, that's especially a nightmare for every PR department. Far easier to find any kind of explanation why the romance can't be continued by anyone.

I for one think this might happen as far as Liara is concerned, but I may be wrong (of course I hope so). The Ash/Kaidan romance is openly acknowledged by the game after all. And if one is, but the other isn't? There has to be some reason? There are not all too many differences after all. The most obvious would be that Liara is an alien, but if ME 2 proves one thing, it's that BioWare/EA have no problem (yet?) with human-alien relationships.

I for one wouldn't accuse anyone of being intolerant, as it's obvious enough they aren't, their own previous games prove that too. It would have to be a purely commercial decision, someone figuring they would make more money by not including some sorts of content. That's a reason I would understand (though I'd doubt the presumption is true). I only wish it could be openly discussed, but of course an important part of any PR is that you don't.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 28 mai 2010 - 07:07 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I like that, Lizard. I think the manner in which you have written Liara "saying goodbye" is how the Liara DLC will end. The whole Shadow Broker story arc will be resolved, and Liara will be free to rejoin the Normandy, but she won't actually stay on the ship there and then. Liara will say she has a few loose ends to tie up, but will promise to rejoin the Normandy as soon as possible. Same with Ashley and Kaidan.

That way, the issues surrounding the reasons as to why she couldn't be a squadmember in ME2 are resolved, but it still leaves the ability for her to be recruited in ME3.

Thank you. Glad to know I didn't waste my time! Still no more comments?

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

I for one think this might happen as far as Liara is concerned, but I may be wrong (of course I hope so). The Ash/Kaidan romance is openly acknowledged by the game after all. And if one is, but the other isn't? There has to be some reason? There are not all too many differences after all. The most obvious would be that Liara is an alien, but if ME 2 proves one thing, it's that BioWare/EA have no problem (yet?) with human-alien relationships.

*looks at Garrus/Tali romance*

Yes, you are right. 

I agree and I worry about the same thing...but, yes, they would just cut the romance back for both genders.  They may also figure that a decent amount of Male Shep players moved on to a new female LI in ME2 anyways.

I for one wouldn't accuse anyone of being intolerant, as it's obvious enough they aren't, their own previous games prove that too. It would be a purely commercial decision, someone figuring they would make more money by not including some sorts of content. That's a reason I would understand (though I'd doubt the presumption is true). I only wish it could be openly discussed, but of course an important part of any PR is that you don't.

Yes, I'd rather they be honest instead of spinning us around with all the PR B.S.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cartims wrote...


OK........would a Liara costume help?

That's a bit freaky...

[LiquidGrape]

Cartims wrote...

There is always real life romance.........just a thought!

That doesn't help those of us who are ugly and maladjusted.

[Noxis6]

Well while these are nice scenarios,when it comes to the fabled Liara DLC,I would say we are lucky if she stands up from her desk on Illium for it,though if there is more involvment I wouldnt be suprised if she is just "magically" teleported into the final confrontation with the SB and back to Illium after that



Also I agree with what was said earlier I have my doubt that they will mention the romance in any significant way

[ratzerman]

Lizardviking wrote...

IF YOU STAYED LOYAL:
Shepard is seen sitting at his desk, writing a report on the day's event. The door is opened and Liara is seen walking in (sorta like just before heading to Ilos?).
Liara will say how they haven't had any real chance to talk and that she wishes to have a propper goodbye. Shepard will ask if there still anything left of the love they once shared, telling that he was afraid that she no longer cared for him after Illium (Bioware did intend to make us uncertain of the relationship).
Liara will start to break down emotionally. She will tell that all the stress, grief, anger and fear that she had inside her everyday for the last 2 years made her cold and distant.
"Eventually, I forgot who I was."  
Liara will finally break down completly and the player will finally be able to properly comfort Liara. The camera will zoom out showing the couple holding each other tightly together, then fade to black.

A new scene will then start. Both of them are at the airlock, the SR2 have docked at Illium at it's time for Liara to say goodbye. She will say that she still have a few loose ends back that she needs to take care of. Shepard will be slightly disapointed but understand. The two then kiss each other while the crew goes all "Awwwwwww" then either kelly or Joker will comment.

Screw the damn Shadow Broker mission........ I'd pay just for that scene. I need that scene!

You listening, Woo?  Give us our rom..... our romance.....  *cries*

[ratzerman]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Cartims wrote...

There is always real life romance.........just a thought!

That doesn't help those of us who are ugly and maladjusted.

That's very true in my case. Especially the maladjusted part. But especially  the ugly part.

[CM26617]

Hello friends. Whats been happening?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ratzerman wrote...

Screw the damn Shadow Broker mission........ I'd pay just for that scene. I need that scene!

You listening, Woo?  Give us our rom..... our romance.....  *cries*

Omg somebody would pay to see my scene in the game!

"falls from chair"

I feel happy now!

[Noxis6]

Well to be honest I would have prefered a short runin with Liara and an email after that over the mess we got in ME2



They might have tried to use it ambigously but clearly failed,they either were just too lazy to do it right or lacking time or just didnt want to waste ressources or a combination of all of that



Also as I said if the romance is really adressed in case of DLC is more then questionable,besides Shepard is as we all know not only nearly completely emotionless in the Liara scene,though it really shines through in it,but also about his/her death or the fact that Miranda wanted to plant a controlchip into him/her



Also if you look at the situation in ME2 its a very good setup to shove Liara out of the squadmate slots for good,therefore reducing her potential romance content in ME3 significantly

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyway, if they were going to drastically reduce romance content with Liara, they would have hinted to it in some way. The fact that Shepard still looks at Liara's photograph before the Omega Relay tells me that, in a meta way, the Liara romance is very much continuing.

It's all perspective....they did drastically reduce Liara's romance content in ME2 (one brief kiss and a picture-staring scene!) from ME1.  Given their shorter cameos, Ash and Kaidan had more romance content than Liara and it was acknowledged more by others.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan don't actually get that much more romance recognition than we do, to be honest.

Actually, yes they do:

• The email.
• Recognition by TIM.
• A conversation with Joker.

These things are absent in Liara's romance, without substitute. I'm not saying the Ash and Kaidan fans have much reason to be happier right now than the Liara fans. But since our conversation in ME 2 is exactly the same regardless of the romance, the only actual content is the kiss and the picture scene. Since the kiss is quickly broken up without any explanation, and the picture scene shows only Shepard caring, there's every possibility for them to say: "What? Sorry, Liara has moved on. We thought ME 2 had made that clear already?"

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Like I said, I think "I couldn't let you go" is supposed to be considered romance content by the devs, and left ambiguous like that so that it can apply to both LI and non-LI Shepards.

Bottom line, everyone hears that line, though.  Part of me thinks they goofed and forgot to remove the line when they were hacking up her scene!

I don't know, it's hard to really explain. Rather than create two seperate dialogue paths for Liara's scenes, scenes which are alot longer than Ashley and Kaidan's I might add, when they can just use an ambigous and uniform set of dialogue choices that can apply to both romanced and non romanced Liaras. Especially when proper exclusive romantic content can be tackled in the Liara DLC? Especially when Liara's scenes are alot longer than Ash and Kaidan's, so it's easier to tailor make them for romance. With Liara, it's a little more work as her scene's are longer.

It wouldn't have been too much for them to add a few more dialog options for a romance Shepard.  The dialog paths would have been roughly the same, with a few extra sentences at key moments.  They have a lot of extra dialog recorded for Liara that they never use, so it's not like they didn't have Hillis for enough time to record a few extra lines.

Plus, we can't assume they will tackle the romance in the DLC yet, or that there will even be one.

[Marcin K]

 going OFFLINE overnight, cya all tomorrow, have a great night, dream about Liara, and pic-time in 1 post: