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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 09:53

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mrbeavis19 wrote...

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Ok, I just gotta ask this real quick...am I the only one here who has yet to play through either ME as a FemShep? lol


There's quite a few people that have never played femshep. I'm actually the opposite. I haven't been able to play more than an hour as maleshep before quitting the game. I guess its whatever you originally played as and identified with is what you become accustomed to. For me it was femshep so it feels really strange to me when I try to play maleshep.


Or just the fact that I'm a guy, so that helps me relate too lol

I am a guy and I always play as a female character. Lol.
I can never get into a game as a male character. I just don't care about the character's well being.
But hey, that is why there are options. Everyone is happy.
I think Hale is the best voice actor I have ever heard though (and Hillis), just my opinion. (I know you have to agree with me on Hillis though, lol).

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General Stubbs wrote...

mrbeavis19 wrote...

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Ok, I just gotta ask this real quick...am I the only one here who has yet to play through either ME as a FemShep? lol


There's quite a few people that have never played femshep. I'm actually the opposite. I haven't been able to play more than an hour as maleshep before quitting the game. I guess its whatever you originally played as and identified with is what you become accustomed to. For me it was femshep so it feels really strange to me when I try to play maleshep.


Or just the fact that I'm a guy, so that helps me relate too lol

I am a guy and I always play as a female character. Lol.
I can never get into a game as a male character. I just don't care about the character's well being.
But hey, that is why there are options. Everyone is happy.
I think Hale is the best voice actor I have ever heard though (and Hillis), just my opinion. (I know you have to agree with me on Hillis though, lol).


I play male characters in Sci Fi games and female characters in most fantasy games. I dunno why.

The way Hillis says "Perimeter clear" makes me smile :D

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 09:58

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I love how Ali Hillis voices Liara's "I told myself I was doing it for YOU, for a chance to bring you BACK". I love how she places emphasis on those words, particularly "you". She makes Liara sound absolutely heartbroken as she says it.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I love how Ali Hillis voices Liara's "I told myself I was doing it for YOU, for a chance to bring you BACK". I love how she places emphasis on those words, particularly "you". She makes Liara sound absolutely heartbroken as she says it.


And then Shepard does this :mellow:

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:01

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General Stubbs wrote...

I am a guy and I always play as a female character. Lol.
I can never get into a game as a male character. I just don't care about the character's well being.
But hey, that is why there are options. Everyone is happy.
I think Hale is the best voice actor I have ever heard though (and Hillis), just my opinion. (I know you have to agree with me on Hillis though, lol).


Oh, don't get me wrong, the voice acting is great (if not a little butchy for the femSheps? lol sorry) but yeah I understand the whole "make everyone happy" thing. I'm just the opposite. I can't play rpgs as a female character and get as into it cause I can't really put myself in their shoes.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:02

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I am thinking the notion of Cerberus being active in Liara's protection/silence is becoming more and more likely. This was the last organization she had contact with after giving over Shepard's body, and I have a feeling they would want to keep her silent about their dealings. Now, they can either kill her outright to shut her up or work something out where she serves a valuable role but STAYS AWAY from Shepard and distracting her/him from the mission.

The Illusive Man obviously doesn't care that much if you flirt and have sex with your immediate crew. Perhaps he sees it as a stress reliever, which is of benefit to the mission. Maybe he also thinks it will make you perform in battle better, as the Sacred Band of Thebes paired gay lovers together so they would fight to the death. A non-ship romance changes everything. Asking Liara too many damn questions threatens things. Who else would have the power to protect the Asari and set her up in the Information Business?

We have seen Cerberus can help those it considers valuable. Miranda's sisters parents, for example, get nice jobs with good money.

But the problem with that is that the SB is not after Miranda's sister. Miranda's father may be powerful, but the SB is on a whole other level.
The SB is more powerful then any army or Spec Ops group, he probably has his own private army of mercs with the same training as Shepard.
I am sure the SB even knows who TIM really is and could take him out if he wanted, but the SB wants or is waiting for something.
The Liara story might turn into something where everyone is connected to each other in some way. Everyone wants something, and everyone tries to achieve it their own way.
Whatever everyone wants, it has to do with Shepard. And Shepard is left in the dark until Liara wants to talk. Expansion Time! :D

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General Stubbs wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I am thinking the notion of Cerberus being active in Liara's protection/silence is becoming more and more likely. This was the last organization she had contact with after giving over Shepard's body, and I have a feeling they would want to keep her silent about their dealings. Now, they can either kill her outright to shut her up or work something out where she serves a valuable role but STAYS AWAY from Shepard and distracting her/him from the mission.

The Illusive Man obviously doesn't care that much if you flirt and have sex with your immediate crew. Perhaps he sees it as a stress reliever, which is of benefit to the mission. Maybe he also thinks it will make you perform in battle better, as the Sacred Band of Thebes paired gay lovers together so they would fight to the death. A non-ship romance changes everything. Asking Liara too many damn questions threatens things. Who else would have the power to protect the Asari and set her up in the Information Business?

We have seen Cerberus can help those it considers valuable. Miranda's sisters parents, for example, get nice jobs with good money.

But the problem with that is that the SB is not after Miranda's sister. Miranda's father may be powerful, but the SB is on a whole other level.
The SB is more powerful then any army or Spec Ops group, he probably has his own private army of mercs with the same training as Shepard.
I am sure the SB even knows who TIM really is and could take him out if he wanted, but the SB wants or is waiting for something.
The Liara story might turn into something where everyone is connected to each other in some way. Everyone wants something, and everyone tries to achieve it their own way.
Whatever everyone wants, it has to do with Shepard. And Shepard is left in the dark until Liara wants to talk. Expansion Time! :D


I think TIM could contend with the SB. TIM is in a large seat of power. Who else can just generate enough cash to revive Shepard and tear the Collectors a new ****?

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:05

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I agree partially, General Stubbs. With that said, if the SHadow Broker really wanted Liara dead, she would be dead. I think she is being moved around like a pawn for a variety of sides, but I think Cerberus has a role in it. The Illusive Man wants Shepard to work at full capacity. If Liara was dead, that loss may hurt him/her. So keeping her alive, rewarded, and in play against the SB may be part of his goal.

I don't think TIM is as weak as you portray either.  He has adeptly avoided death so far.  Also, he is supported by Alliance interests, a military force.  The SB may be powerful, but I can't imagine many governments supporting him.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:10

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Also bear in mind that in my Liara loyalty playthrough, TIM now has the Collector Base, lol. Eat that SB!

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:11

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Conversely, if you go Paragon at the end of ME2 and tell TIM to go shove it, he could then capture Liara and threaten her as a means of manipulating Shepard and forcing him/her to work for TIM again. I wouldn't want that to happen as I wouldn't want Liara to become some sort of damsel in distress we have to save, but it's a possibility.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:12

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Conversely, if you go Paragon at the end of ME2 and tell TIM to go shove it, he could then capture Liara and threaten her as a means of manipulating Shepard and forcing him/her to work for TIM again. I wouldn't want that to happen as I wouldn't want Liara to become some sort of damsel in distress we have to save, but it's a possibility.


Even in the Paragon ending it still isn't made completely clear that you won't have SOME dealings with the The Illusive Man.  Its a bad moment between you two, but realize he ultimately still needs Shepard, however much he may want to kill him. 

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:15

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Conversely, if you go Paragon at the end of ME2 and tell TIM to go shove it, he could then capture Liara and threaten her as a means of manipulating Shepard and forcing him/her to work for TIM again. I wouldn't want that to happen as I wouldn't want Liara to become some sort of damsel in distress we have to save, but it's a possibility.


I doubt that will happen in the paragon ending TIM is a bit at Shepards mercy,well maybe that sounds to dramatic but its basicly as it is.
Shepard has access to all the information on Cerberus that is storen in EDI thats quite something if handed over to the alliance or the council that might be the end of Cerberus.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:17

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Yeah, waging a war against TIM or TIM going after Shepard is pointless. They may hate each other, but realize there are thousands of Reapers converging on the Galaxy. Do you want to destroy either the hero of humanity or an organization that has the power to gather data and resources for you?

It would be stupid to fight a pointless "civil" war when there are bigger threats.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:23

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screwoffreg wrote...

I agree partially, General Stubbs. With that said, if the SHadow Broker really wanted Liara dead, she would be dead. I think she is being moved around like a pawn for a variety of sides, but I think Cerberus has a role in it. The Illusive Man wants Shepard to work at full capacity. If Liara was dead, that loss may hurt him/her. So keeping her alive, rewarded, and in play against the SB may be part of his goal.

I don't think TIM is as weak as you portray either.  He has adeptly avoided death so far.  Also, he is supported by Alliance interests, a military force.  The SB may be powerful, but I can't imagine many governments supporting him.


TIM is definitely not weak - half the galaxy probably wants him dead. And it's said numerous times that the Shadow Broker and Cerberus are competing factions in the info biz.

I agree, I think Liara being connected with Cerberus in some way makes a lot of sense. So she gives the body to Cerberus and then just walks off? Doesn't make sense, plus I don't see Cerberus just letting her go off - she's in too deep and knows too much.

Someone distracting/annoying the Shadow Broker would be VERY useful to TIM. And he knows Liara has a personal stake - why wouldn't he encourage that? It's like a gift basket delivered directly to his door - he gets the body AND a pawn to use against his enemies. He'd have to have some way to keep her quiet, and he can't kill her because that would definitely turn Shepard against him. Like you said, he needs Shepard at optimum killing capacity, and finding out everything about her would be a huge distraction.

And the Shadow Broker would realize that Liara by herself is not a major threat, but could use her to gain info on Cerberus and Shepard. Hence Nyxeris just watching her for who knows how long. The Shadow Broker knows everything she's done, and probably a lot of her contacts.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:26

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screwoffreg wrote...

Yeah, waging a war against TIM or TIM going after Shepard is pointless. They may hate each other, but realize there are thousands of Reapers converging on the Galaxy. Do you want to destroy either the hero of humanity or an organization that has the power to gather data and resources for you?

It would be stupid to fight a pointless "civil" war when there are bigger threats.



I seriously think they will be working together (TIM and Shep) in ME3, but the relationship will be strained! Posted Image I also think that all of the seemingly pointless background stories (Zaeed?) that were introduced in ME2 will tie in rather nicely in the final playout with the remaining characters' background stories, especially as a cohesive unit. BW has has to recognize this, resulting in an ME3 that will be more story-orientated (compared to ME2)  in order to bring everyone full circle. At least these are my hopes! Posted Image

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I think TIM could contend with the SB. TIM is in a large seat of power. Who else can just generate enough cash to revive Shepard and tear the Collectors a new ****?

Yeah, it could be a hell of a war if TIM decided to try and kill the SB. (Depending on how you ended ME2).
TIM is almost like a politican though, he needs other people to supply him with cash to keep his ventures going, so he is at their mercy in a way.
Everyone needs the SB for something, so he always has money coming in. So he is the master of his own business.
But I guess TIM did prove he has access to extremely classified information throughout ME2. Although some of it could have been found by any Spec Ops organization.

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I agree partially, General Stubbs. With that said, if the SHadow Broker really wanted Liara dead, she would be dead. I think she is being moved around like a pawn for a variety of sides, but I think Cerberus has a role in it. The Illusive Man wants Shepard to work at full capacity. If Liara was dead, that loss may hurt him/her. So keeping her alive, rewarded, and in play against the SB may be part of his goal.

I don't think TIM is as weak as you portray either.  He has adeptly avoided death so far.  Also, he is supported by Alliance interests, a military force.  The SB may be powerful, but I can't imagine many governments supporting him.

I do agree.
It seems that the SB is planning something else for her, as you said if he wanted her dead she would have been dead shortly right after Shepard was stolen from him.
I do think that Cerberus is involved somehow involved, but it seems that TIM stresses how much he wants you to leave your old companions behind throughout ME2. Could just be a cover for ulterior motives though.
I don't think TIM is weak, but compared to the SB, he just got started. I just think of it as most criminal organizations have governments against them, but when is the last time a massive gang was wiped out?
There might be another organization involved, but that is just pure theory on my part.

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Debi-Tage wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Yeah, waging a war against TIM or TIM going after Shepard is pointless. They may hate each other, but realize there are thousands of Reapers converging on the Galaxy. Do you want to destroy either the hero of humanity or an organization that has the power to gather data and resources for you?

It would be stupid to fight a pointless "civil" war when there are bigger threats.



I seriously think they will be working together (TIM and Shep) in ME3, but the relationship will be strained! Posted Image I also think that all of the seemingly pointless background stories (Zaeed?) that were introduced in ME2 will tie in rather nicely in the final playout with the remaining characters' background stories, especially as a cohesive unit. BW has has to recognize this, resulting in an ME3 that will be more story-orientated (compared to ME2)  in order to bring everyone full circle. At least these are my hopes! Posted Image


I hear ya. I know the devs have to realize that while people are cool with the new combat system, there are a lot of issues with the story. They have to do something. I still think it's one of those things where this is the "middle chapter" and people were expecting too much closure on a lot of plot elements.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:31

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I hope I am not working with TIM in ME3, it felt very forced in ME2 already.



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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:01

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Sharn01 wrote...

I hope I am not working with TIM in ME3, it felt very forced in ME2 already.


I'm hoping I can kill TiM in ME3...I really hate that guy.

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MassAffected wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I hope I am not working with TIM in ME3, it felt very forced in ME2 already.


I'm hoping I can kill TiM in ME3...I really hate that guy.


I can't really stand him either, but he did bring Shepard back to life. I don't know if I could just off him without a second thought.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:09

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justinnstuff wrote...

That troll was shot down quickly. Good job everyone :P

Oh, and 
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I think i've found a potential movie Liara...

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:09

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I dunno, he doesn't have many redeeming factors. You find out he's aware of every single dirty deed Cerberus has done (doesn't EDI essentially tell you this?) and he uses you like a pawn throughout the game. Doesn't hesitate to send you and your people into traps. Miranda's like his top person and he just uses her like she's nothing as well.

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justinnstuff wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I hope I am not working with TIM in ME3, it felt very forced in ME2 already.


I'm hoping I can kill TiM in ME3...I really hate that guy.


I can't really stand him either, but he did bring Shepard back to life. I don't know if I could just off him without a second thought.


Technically Miranda brought Shep back...TiM just threw cash at the project. Also his motives were terrible...he wanted to use Sheppard as a tool for his own ends (I think the pro-human thing is just a sham to be honest) whatever they may be. And no one uses Sheppard and gets away with it.

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:10

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My favorite interaction with TiM is at the end where Sheppard can say "Ugh sorry I'm getting a lot of bull **** on this line"



EPIC

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:13

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MassAffected wrote...

My favorite interaction with TiM is at the end where Sheppard can say "Ugh sorry I'm getting a lot of bull **** on this line"

EPIC


Yeah I love that line as well.  I always choose that option.  TIM can suck it!
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