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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

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Noxis6
Posté 02 juin 2010 - 09:44

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Well we can expect TIM thinks along different patterns then Shepard or other humans,since he has own plans for the "ascension" of humanity,so its natural he thinks of Shepard more as a tool then a person

Yet they couldnt really cut corners when it came to reviving Shepard since it was really a risky thing with a high chance of failure,sadly there were given no real specifics as to how they revived him/her and you cannot really ask Miranda about it
Also the plot device is pretty much dropped the moment you leave the Cerberus station and Shepard never really deals with it nor does everyone else

Also when it comes to Liaras lifespan I doubt she will life longer then normal asari,sure Benezia was an important figure,but Liara is not ultra super special,she wasnt designed like Miranda or anything else

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 09:47

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Not really, they could bring back this plot device in ME3 if done right,say Shepard starts getting wicked dreams and Miri finnly admits what happen or even TIM tell you what happen. We can all expect that we will confront TIm in ME3 because he will be a major character.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:02

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Noxis6 wrote...



Also when it comes to Liaras lifespan I doubt she will life longer then normal asari,sure Benezia was an important figure,but Liara is not ultra super special,she wasnt designed like Miranda or anything else




Maybe, but I'm thinking more in terms of quality of life and physical strength and prowess, rather than cybernetic or genetic implants or upgrades. Like I said, Liara, as a powerful and renowned Matriarch's daughter, would have enjoyed a very priviledged upbringing and lifestyle, very much of a higher social class than other asari her age. Perhaps this will have an effect on her lifespan, given that her formative years were spent living in such luxury? Regarding how she's trained and honed her biotics at such a young age, I regard that as being somewhat akin to a human being very physically fit and capable. All of these things could extend her lifespan, I feel.



Think of it this way, imagine the differing life expectancies of a child living an extravagant lifestyle in an economically developed country, and a child growing up in a developing nation, suffering through poverty and malnutrition. That's what I'm trying to get at.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:09

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I suppose how I should have phrased my previous question is to what extent you feel an extended Shepard lifespan would ruin the tragic element of Liara and Shepard's romance, and how it could ruin what you find compelling about it?

I'll be honest and say that my original question was pretty freaking obvious!


I don't know...I never thought about it b/c I know Shepard will die hundreds and hundreds of years before Liara and it will be tragic. Let's see...maybe if Shepard lives to 500 or 600 it wouldn't be too tragic then.  That would still be about half of Liara's life.  That's not going to happen, though.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:11

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Frankly how she spent her 50 years at home is never really revealed,though sure we can assume she lived better then normal although we know not that much about how matriachs live,also biotics are not magic they dont factor in your life expectancy nor can you prolong your life with them,besides I doubt Liara was trained in biotics 24/7 since given what Benezia had planed for her I'm sure there were other priorities

And then we have her time on digsites which is basicly the opposite also I doubt her new job is healthy though she seems to enjoy some luxury in it given her status on Illium,while I still find it completely unbelievable and seemingly purely done for the sake of "darkness"

But in general I doubt that even a life in luxury could extend an asari lifespan by centuries,there is limit,she may win a few decades but centuries I feel would be too much



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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:18

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I have this brilliant mental image of a young Liara, reluctantly living a somewhat aristocratic lifestyle, and studiously studying her textbooks on the Protheans, eager to find out about what she views as wonderous and mysterious figures. Imagine her sitting in her stately bedroom late a night, looking up at the stars, wondering what adventures lie in wait out there, and just what mysteries about the Protheans there are to uncover? Liara, desperate to leave her life behind as a powerful Matriarch's daughter, and go pursue her passion.



Just imagine a young Liara desperate to go explore the galaxy, and unravel all the mysteries she can find. It's awesome!

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:35

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Makes me wonder why they didn't elaborate on Liara's backstory somewhat in ME1, but I guess they thought that Liara's connection to the plot via Benezia and her Prothean expertise was sufficiently Liara related story, I guess.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:36

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Maybe it's not how long you live but how well you live the life you have.

Shepard asks Liara about differing life spans in ME1 and Liara gives a great answer that softens the tragic element.

I hope the retirement home Shepard acquired at Pinnacle Station is an option, IF they reunite, IF they both survive and IF there's still a galaxy left. I'd like to be able to think of them enjoying some peace with each other at the end cause they will have earned it.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:43

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pf17456 wrote...
Shepard asks Liara about differing life spans in ME1 and Liara gives a great answer that softens the tragic element.


Indeed. Liara's explanation of the asari long view, and how they treasure the time spent with their partners, rather than think about the inevitable loss. I love that convo.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 11:04

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We just haven't met any Asari who are over 1000 years old.  We know that they can live longer than that.  There are probably some very powerful and influential Matriarchs who are over 1000 years old on Thessia.  Wrex is very old for a Krogan.  The Asari and the Krogan live the same amount of time, on average.

I mentioned a long time ago in this thread that the relationship between Asari and non-Asari (specifically Liara and Shepard) reminds me of "The Tale of Beren and Lúthien", from Tolkien's "The Silmarillion".

Elven woman falls in love with human man.  Human man is killed by a wolf on a hunting trip.  Elven woman travels to the Underworld.  Elven woman begs the Lord of the Underworld to return his soul to her.  The Lord of the Underworld refuses, asking why he should do such a thing.  Elven woman sings a song of her love for the man so beautiful that it moves the Lord of the Underworld to tears.  He agrees to return his soul, if she sacrifices that thing which is most dear to her.  She sacrifices her immortality.  She agrees.  The Lord of the Underworld returns her love to her.  Elven woman and human man live the rest of their lives together, dying together.

I thought Liara would have learned of the finer aspects of Asari life as the daughter of a Matriarch during the first 50 years of her life.  All Asari receive combat training, unless Benezia got Liara out of having to do that.  Benezia definitely would have educated Liara on the ins-and-outs of being a Matriarch.

I wonder how Liara found out about the mystery of the Protheans.  That's not something everyone knows.  Even archaeologists tossed that theory out, until irrefutable evidence surfaced.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 11:18

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Interesting comparison with that Tolkein story there, york. I can definitely see it.



I do agree that Benezia would have assisted Liara in training her biotics, and would have wanted her to hone her biotic ability as a form of self-defence, given her status as a Matriarch's daughter and a perfect target for kidnappers or slavers. It's probably why Liara was able and capable of running off to remote digsites alone and being able to protect herself, as Benezia would have taught her how to properly defend herself.

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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 11:54

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I was thinking earlier...Aren't all Asari a Matriarch's daughter at some point?

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:10

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yorkj86 wrote...


Elven woman falls in love with human man.  Human man is killed by a wolf on a hunting trip. 


Either a massive over-simplification of the Silmarillion (this story, at least), or I read the wrong book. :P

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:13

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GnusmasTHX wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...


Elven woman falls in love with human man.  Human man is killed by a wolf on a hunting trip. 


Either a massive over-simplification of the Silmarillion (this story, at least), or I read the wrong book. :P


Silmarillion is waaaaaaay too complex for me =/ I bought it a few years ago on the cheap and I've tried reading it about 7 times now, just too many names. Give me a good Andy Mcnab or Terry Pratchett and I'm happy :wizard:

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:18

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GnusmasTHX wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...


Elven woman falls in love with human man.  Human man is killed by a wolf on a hunting trip. 


Either a massive over-simplification of the Silmarillion (this story, at least), or I read the wrong book. :P


Notice that the whole thing I posted is a digest of the story.  If I must be specific, it was the werewolf Carcharoth.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:21

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leeboi2 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...


Elven woman falls in love with human man.  Human man is killed by a wolf on a hunting trip. 


Either a massive over-simplification of the Silmarillion (this story, at least), or I read the wrong book. :P


Silmarillion is waaaaaaay too complex for me =/ I bought it a few years ago on the cheap and I've tried reading it about 7 times now, just too many names. Give me a good Andy Mcnab or Terry Pratchett and I'm happy :wizard:


Heh, the opposite for me, I've read it well over 7 times. Every once and a while I come back to it, and surprisingly, it seems better every time! 

Though that's probably due to my shoddy memory. I forget so much of it that it's like reading a new book.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:22

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leeboi2 wrote...

I was thinking earlier...Aren't all Asari a Matriarch's daughter at some point?


Yeah, but not all asari are as renowned, powerful and influential as Benezia was. Hell, the Asari Councillor was able to tell it was her just from her voice alone.

Like it says in the codex, most Matriarchs become community leaders. Benezia was powerful enough to have many followers.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:29

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I think some Matriarchs become more well-known and powerful than others. Benezia was influential, and had many followers.  Aethyta was practically laughed out of Asari politics.  The Asari use a pure democracy. A Matriarch doesn't actually have any political power, apart from her ability to influence voters with her own clout.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 12:48

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Regarding the end of ME3, I think we'll just get a Babylon 5 clone of Sheridan and Delenn when it comes to the ending. Hell, even most of the story is pretty similar. Humans and Aliens fighting against ancient races. Sheridan even dies and comes back, with all the consequences that brings. He just runs out of go while Delenn, who naturally lives longer than humans tries to remind everyone about the sacrifice Sheridan made for all of them for the rest of her life. Pretty much how I see things panning out.

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Sticken Chuffing wrote...

Regarding the end of ME3, I think we'll just get a Babylon 5 clone of Sheridan and Delenn when it comes to the
ending. Hell, even most of the story is pretty similar. Humans and Aliens fighting against ancient races. Sheridan
even dies and comes back, with all the consequences that brings. He just runs out of go while Delenn, who naturally lives longer than humans tries to remind everyone about the sacrifice Sheridan made for all of them for the rest of her life. Pretty much how I see things panning out. 


That's weird, it wouldn't let me quote you.  I  had to do it manually.

Anyway, screwoffreg kind of gets in to that in the epilogue of his fanfic "The Distance Between Two Stars" (it still makes me cry :crying:), except most people have forgotten who Shepard even was and what he did by the time Liara comes to the twilight of her life.

That makes me wonder about how the other squadmates would go about making sure people don't forget about the sacrifices Shepard made.   What would Jack, do, for example, if she was romanced by Shepard?  What capabilities could she have to remind people?

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 01:48

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yorkj86 wrote...

Sticken Chuffing wrote...

Regarding the end of ME3, I think we'll just get a Babylon 5 clone of Sheridan and Delenn when it comes to the
ending. Hell, even most of the story is pretty similar. Humans and Aliens fighting against ancient races. Sheridan
even dies and comes back, with all the consequences that brings. He just runs out of go while Delenn, who naturally lives longer than humans tries to remind everyone about the sacrifice Sheridan made for all of them for the rest of her life. Pretty much how I see things panning out. 


That's weird, it wouldn't let me quote you.  I  had to do it manually.

Anyway, screwoffreg kind of gets in to that in the epilogue of his fanfic "The Distance Between Two Stars" (it still makes me cry :crying:), except most people have forgotten who Shepard even was and what he did by the time Liara comes to the twilight of her life.

That makes me wonder about how the other squadmates would go about making sure people don't forget about the sacrifices Shepard made.   What would Jack, do, for example, if she was romanced by Shepard?  What capabilities could she have to remind people?


I think as a "once" lover, or friend, she'll care about Shepard, and say that either way, she loved him/her despite what Shepard did, and his/her actions is what saved everyone today, and forever more.

Anyways, just finished reading Kane Lam's Broken Bonds and Shattered Dreams. Incredibly good. If you replaced Miranda with Tali, and Fem was Male, then that's exactly what's been going on with me and Liara, and why I went with Tali in the end. It's sad, and most likely there won't be a happy ending between Liara and me, but what happened happened.

Also, read Holding On to Let Go before reading that, since Broken is the sequel. Also incredibly good.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 02:41

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Liara doesn't have combat training...unless they rewrite her from ME. She had no weapon skills, just biotics.

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Jestina wrote...

Liara doesn't have combat training...unless they rewrite her from ME. She had no weapon skills, just biotics.


I remember reading somewhere that all Asari receive combat training, maybe because of mandatory military training.  Maybe it's only the ones on Thessia.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 02:58

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That might have been a booboo somewhere. There are Asari commandos but I don't think there is any forced military enlistment in Asari society.



Here's Liara's ME stat sheet...from my endgame.

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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:08

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EDIT:  Removed potentially inflammatory political rhetoric.

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