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Just discussing this elsewhere, but why do you think that the track "Vigil" doesn't play as the BGM upon reuniting with Liara in ME2, like it does with the other former squadmates in ME2?



I have my theories, but I'm curious as to what others think.

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www.oxm.co.uk/article.php

There's a scene at the very beginning
where your Commander Shepherd is interviewed by Miranda and Jacob
that's clearly there to determine what happened in everyone's Mass
Effect 1 game, but it feels like it got cut short. What happened?


Well, in Mass Effect we track literally hundreds of decisions, and most
of them wouldn't make for a very interesting conversation, especially
for a new player. A new player wouldn't know Conrad Verner or Gianna
Parasini [two incidental characters that feature in both games], so it
wouldn't make sense for a new player to be answering questions on events
they've never experienced before.

A little known thing about
Mass Effect 2 is that while everyone knows about the save game
connectivity and how well that works, I think that overshadows the fact
that we really designed Mass Effect 2 to be a good entry point for new
players. So that's why we don't give all these choices about what's
happened before.

Is that something you're planning for Mass
Effect 3 as well? You want it to be another smooth entry point?


Absolutely. We like to have this continuity and its payoff, but we also
want each game to allow people to enter into the series at that point.
If you haven't played either game we still want you to be able to play
Mass Effect 3.


Well that's it.  Expect another new crew, cameoes, choices that don't matter,  and a single line of dialogue and an e-mail if we're really lucky as a reward in ME3.

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I know, Shatner. I read that article a few days ago.



I can somewhat understand the eagerness to compensate for new players with ME2, but not with ME3. Seriously, who uses the third part of a trilogy as their entry point? It doesn't make sense.



If new players are confused in ME3, then it's their responsibility to go back and play the previous games.

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Just posting on page leet in the Liara thread.

Also, at the final entry in a trilogy, new players can just buzz off and expect that they'll be missing some things.

Imagine a person watching "Return of the King" without having seen the first two movies, or read any of the books:

"Who's that?  Why is he so short?  Why does he have hair on his feet?  Who's that weird looking guy with them?  Why does he have that ring?  Why does it make him crazy?  Why are they going in to that mountain?  What's that big eye on top of that tower?"

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I can somewhat understand the eagerness to compensate for new players with ME2, but not with ME3. Seriously, who uses the third part of a trilogy as their entry point? It doesn't make sense.

If new players are confused in ME3, then it's their responsibility to go back and play the previous games.


I don't think it makes sense to jump in at the middle either, but people did it and will do it for ME3.

This does not bode well for the return of the old crew in the squad.  It looks like they will find another reason to 'reset' the story, so Shepard will be separated from them all.  Of course, I expect some to be recruitable (if alive), but most I'm sure will be cameoes.

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While I fully agree with the fact that players should at least have played ME2 if they want to understand ME3,I think in reallity it wont matter



We can more or less expect Shepard getting reset again I can make up enough excuses to let that happen like kill him/her again,have the implants shorcurcuit,amnesia,Cerberus just implanted a reset button and so on



When it comes to squadmates,as I said it before in terms of ME2 romances consider yourself lucky if they treat them as more then just flings

In terms of ME1 romances I have no high hopes either,since chances are we just get longer cameos or well they just reset it and we have to start from square one again



In terms of Liara,should she be a squadmate, I wouldnt be suprised if they use the time that has passed since ME1,if they reintroduce her as Asari commando fighting in the asari stripper atire,because that would be "kewl and badazz oh and dark and edgy",pretending Liara in ME1 never existed same goes for her being an archealogist or the protheans for that matter

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jlb524 wrote...

I don't think it makes sense to jump in at the middle either, but people did it and will do it for ME3.


Neither do I, but like I said I can somewhat understand BioWare's eagerness to compensate a little for new players in ME2 as there's still two thirds of the trilogy to go.

With ME3, however, they should concentrate on tying everything up and resolving all plot and character arcs.

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Casey Hudson said ME3 would be more light-hearted than ME2. So, no Frank Miller-esque "Stripper Liara with a Heart of Gold".

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Dont forget he promised more "darkness" too almost in the same sentence....

Also we already have people fighting in tight spandex suits,high heels or even half naked in the vacuum of space so why stop there,fighting naked is the true way to invincibility:wizard:

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Plus, they would have began the process of sexualising Liara in ME2 if that were the case. They haven't done so, so I sincerely doubt we'll see a sexed up Liara in ME3.

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 Just 12 days to go till E3 and our hopes in hearing something :)

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Noxis6 wrote...

Dont forget he promised more "darkness" too almost in the same sentence...


That's people dying, Shepard having to choose which planets gets attacked by the Reapers and which don't, that sort of thing.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Plus, they would have began the process of sexualising Liara in ME2 if that were the case. They haven't done so, so I sincerely doubt we'll see a sexed up Liara in ME3.


Liara does seem to have filled out a bit since ME1.

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Story's done after a fashion. The rewrite of the last scene of Redemption stands well enough on it's own so it's going to be its own story. I'd like to do proper Miranda/Liara, but I need a plot that doesn't make me uncomfortable for other reasons (namely Shep being a psychologically abusive hypocrite). I live in hope though.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Liara does seem to have filled out a bit since ME1.


I did notice that. :P

Whilst her dress is very form fitting, it's still very modest, and covers up everything, save her head and hands.

Plus, that armour was pretty tight in ME1. :whistle:

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jtav wrote...

Story's done after a fashion. The rewrite of the last scene of Redemption stands well enough on it's own so it's going to be its own story. I'd like to do proper Miranda/Liara, but I need a plot that doesn't make me uncomfortable for other reasons (namely Shep being a psychologically abusive hypocrite). I live in hope though.


That's great! I look forward to reading it.

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yorkj86 wrote...
That's people dying, Shepard having to choose which planets gets attacked by the Reapers and which don't, that sort of thing.


I doubt Shepard can pick targets for the reaper fleet :P

Then again if thats were the "darkness" is supposed to come from the reapers really have to shape up,Biowares last army that was supposed to devour everything in its path was just lazy

Also people dying makes me wonder if thats are convinient way to get rid of stuff that would "confuse" new gamers:wizard:

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I imagine the "reward" people will get for not starting a new relationship with one of the new crew in ME3 will be a 10 second shot at the end showing Shepard ending up without whoever they romanced. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that's all we see of that person. The entire game could take place in dark space or some other far away galaxy giving BioWare a perfect excuse not to show any of characters until the coda.

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Noxis6 wrote...

I doubt Shepard can pick targets for the reaper fleet :P

Then again if thats were the "darkness" is supposed to come from the reapers really have to shape up,Biowares last army that was supposed to devour everything in its path was just lazy

Also people dying makes me wonder if thats are convinient way to get rid of stuff that would "confuse" new gamers:wizard:


I was thinking something along the lines of Shepard having a godlike, deus ex machina, Reaper-destroying weapon with only so much ammunition, and/or a fleet of his allies ships outfitted with Reaper-destroying armaments, but only having so much ammunition for the weapon, and only so many ships.  Thus, he would have to choose.

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Well no idea how the reapers are supposed to be killed,but I kind of see ME3 as a DA in space atm,gather your forces and fight the final battle,I just dont hope I would have to outfit ships again due gathering ressources from planets



Though I expect at least one planet will get harvested,since well the Darkspawn were at least allowed to destroy Lothering so I guess that will happen,also my guess for were the final battle will take place I would say either earth or the citadel

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I actually predict that a major story or plot effect Liara will have at some point is that she will discover a Reaper weakness or a way to exploit a weakness in the Shadow Broker's data when he's eventually taken out.



In a similar vein, Ashley or Kaidan's plot role will be a liason between Shepard and the Council/Alliance, in order to regain their trust and convince them of the Reaper threat.

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I have a feeling a sizeable chunk of time will pass between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's crew will have left and went on with their lives. Someone suggested Shepard's 'reset' will come about through incarceration. Shepard could be imprisoned by the Council for working with a terrorist organization, or could have been set-up and framed for a crime they did not commit.



This would be better than another death or amnesia. The 'jail break' start to the story would be reminiscent of just about every Elder Scrolls game, though!

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jlb524 wrote...

I have a feeling a sizeable chunk of time will pass between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's crew will have left and went on with their lives. Someone suggested Shepard's 'reset' will come about through incarceration. Shepard could be imprisoned by the Council for working with a terrorist organization, or could have been set-up and framed for a crime they did not commit.


Ack, I hope not! That would drag out this troubled (read: absent) second part of the romance for several years, especially if Ashley, Kaidan and Liara's respective romances aren't addressed in any ME2 DLC. The romance would be so disjointed then.

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jlb524 wrote...

I have a feeling a sizeable chunk of time will pass between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's crew will have left and went on with their lives. Someone suggested Shepard's 'reset' will come about through incarceration. Shepard could be imprisoned by the Council for working with a terrorist organization, or could have been set-up and framed for a crime they did not commit.

This would be better than another death or amnesia. The 'jail break' start to the story would be reminiscent of just about every Elder Scrolls game, though!


Hm Shepard being declared rogue and getting locked up for a long time could work too I guess for a reset,would also give enough time to slaughter existing characters a bit more,I mean if you refused Spectre status or didnt get it they have even one more reason,to lock you up,but then again I think it would be more likely to kill Shepard for treason right away then dragging this out into the open

As for the reapers I doubt the SB has something to contribute to their death,for all I know it could be Cerberus to the rescue again giving how much they were retconed and their crimes were basicly waved away in a few sentences,also the Turian councilors airquotes could be the way to kill the reapers,would suck for the renegade jerk players though