Well, apparently it would take even the reapers many years anyway before they could reach the citadel space by conventional travel. Someone claimed a thousand years, but I have no idea how accurate that is. How's this: In preparation for this event, Shepard is frozen. A thousand years later, he's unfrozen to fight against the reapers. Of course he has to learn his abilities anew, and unfortunately his old companions (except Tali, who was important enough to be frozen as well) are dead.
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#33427
Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:34
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It may not be another 2 years, but I don't expect ME3 to pick up right after ME2.
As for this Liara/SB DLC thingamabobber: I still hope that the SB isn't defeated within such a short campaign. I hope the DLC accomplishes two things:
1) Resolves Liara's guilt over Feron, as he is found alive/dead/whatever. If he is alive, they could even use this as an introduction to the character and to set him up as a possible squad mate in ME3.
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
As for this Liara/SB DLC thingamabobber: I still hope that the SB isn't defeated within such a short campaign. I hope the DLC accomplishes two things:
1) Resolves Liara's guilt over Feron, as he is found alive/dead/whatever. If he is alive, they could even use this as an introduction to the character and to set him up as a possible squad mate in ME3.
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:37
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jlb524 wrote...
I have a feeling a sizeable chunk of time will pass between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's crew will have left and went on with their lives. Someone suggested Shepard's 'reset' will come about through incarceration. Shepard could be imprisoned by the Council for working with a terrorist organization, or could have been set-up and framed for a crime they did not commit.
This would be better than another death or amnesia. The 'jail break' start to the story would be reminiscent of just about every Elder Scrolls game, though!
Sounds like just another way for Bioware to make the player's choices in ME1 and ME2 not matter.
If Shepard can somehow get sprung from prison by his surviving squadmates from ME2 and/or his LI from ME1, that would be cool. If even Samara comes to help, that could be her admitting that sometimes a law needs to be broken if it would benefit everyone, as it would, in this case.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:37
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jlb524 wrote...
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
I think this will happen, and that the SB has become another agent/pawn of the Reapers, subjected to light indoctrination, like Saren. I actually think this was foreshadowed in ME1, when Vigil said "information is power".
The SB could be a very useful and effective tool for the Reapers to exploit.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:39
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jlb524 wrote...
It may not be another 2 years, but I don't expect ME3 to pick up right after ME2.
As for this Liara/SB DLC thingamabobber: I still hope that the SB isn't defeated within such a short campaign. I hope the DLC accomplishes two things:
1) Resolves Liara's guilt over Feron, as he is found alive/dead/whatever. If he is alive, they could even use this as an introduction to the character and to set him up as a possible squad mate in ME3.
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
Well the person on top of my list as villian for ME3 is Paul Grayson atm,he could very well act as face of the reapers given he doesnt get killed off in the book right away,he seems to be able to hear them,since someone had the glorious idea of filling him up with reaper tech
As for the SB I have the feeling hes just a target with a name for Shepard to shoot,as for Feron I say it again why should he be alive,hes worthless,besides being not very likeable,no one has a use for him not the SB nor the collectors,also if he was still alive I would assume the SB would have used him in some way against Liara
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:42
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jlb524 wrote...
It may not be another 2 years, but I don't expect ME3 to pick up right after ME2.
As for this Liara/SB DLC thingamabobber: I still hope that the SB isn't defeated within such a short campaign. I hope the DLC accomplishes two things:
1) Resolves Liara's guilt over Feron, as he is found alive/dead/whatever. If he is alive, they could even use this as an introduction to the character and to set him up as a possible squad mate in ME3.
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
I'd rather team up with the SB and take down TIM.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:43
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It would be fun if, at the end of the SB/Liara DLC, Shepard and Liara are captured and imprisoned by the SB. This, of course, would have to be the very last DLC that bridges ME2 to ME3.
The beginning of ME3 would involve either Shepard/Liara breaking out themselves, or a small group of former squad mates rescuing them. Those that did not play the DLC (or new players) would get a brief explanation from Liara on why the heck they are imprisoned by the SB.
The beginning of ME3 would involve either Shepard/Liara breaking out themselves, or a small group of former squad mates rescuing them. Those that did not play the DLC (or new players) would get a brief explanation from Liara on why the heck they are imprisoned by the SB.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:44
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Well, apparently it would take even the reapers many years anyway before they could reach the citadel space by conventional travel. Someone claimed a thousand years, but I have no idea how accurate that is. How's this: In preparation for this event, Shepard is frozen. A thousand years later, he's unfrozen to fight against the reapers. Of course he has to learn his abilities anew, and unfortunately his old companions (except Tali, who was important enough to be frozen as well) are dead.
If this were the case, I wouldn't buy ME3. My respect for Bioware is already on the line. It's no threat, really, but I'd rather not encourage that much laziness in writing.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:44
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WilliamShatner wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
It may not be another 2 years, but I don't expect ME3 to pick up right after ME2.
As for this Liara/SB DLC thingamabobber: I still hope that the SB isn't defeated within such a short campaign. I hope the DLC accomplishes two things:
1) Resolves Liara's guilt over Feron, as he is found alive/dead/whatever. If he is alive, they could even use this as an introduction to the character and to set him up as a possible squad mate in ME3.
2) Set-up the SB as a minor villain for ME3. I think ME3 needs a villain that is a person, not just a bunch of Reapers. The SB could be the 'Saren' of ME3.
I'd rather team up with the SB and take down TIM.
That's true...TIM could be the minor villain of ME3.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:47
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That's true...TIM could be the minor villain of ME3.
Who knows maybe his plans of turning Paul Grayson into a reaper remote control or whatever backfire,well the backfire part will happen anyway since its a Cerberus experiment,but maybe it draws the reaper fleet to him,well at least we can dream:wizard:
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:51
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What could be a distinct possibility in the Lisrs/SB DLC is that the SB is defeated, and the character arc that prevented Liara from joining the Normandy in ME2 is resolved, but she doesn't actually rejoin you again. Liara may have a few loose ends to tie up on Illium, or have to dismantle her information network or something, but she'd promise to rejoin you as soon as possible.
That way, she's free to join the squad again in ME3, but it still leaves the possibility for a ME3 recruitment mission for Liara. This DLC would be set post suicide mission, obviously.
That way, she's free to join the squad again in ME3, but it still leaves the possibility for a ME3 recruitment mission for Liara. This DLC would be set post suicide mission, obviously.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:52
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I doubt Paul Grayson will play any part in ME3. If they can't be bothered connecting the games to make them one unit and not stand alone, then I highly doubt they're going to bring in any plot elements from book an even smaller percentage of people would have read.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:56
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Well the first book had Saren and Anderson also Sovereign to some degree,so its not completely impossible though the second book had no impact on ME2 it introduced TIM and the Collectors
So introducing the villian for ME3 in it would work,also Anderson is used again and seems to get an active role in it going after Cerberus which brings up the question if they establish a canon
So introducing the villian for ME3 in it would work,also Anderson is used again and seems to get an active role in it going after Cerberus which brings up the question if they establish a canon
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:00
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Hey guys.
My apologies if this gets a bit off track, but some of what was said before really lit up my mental lightbulb.
If I may add my own two cents regarding a possible beginning, if a jailing occurs for Shepard, perhaps it could be a feint by the Council. Its high likely that due to an attempted compromisation of the Council by either the Reapers or by a malignant organisation, they would publicly denounce and incarcerate Shepard, yet privatly 'give him the slip'. His/her objective then would be to track down these persons and find out if they had a connection to Cerberus/SB/Reapers.
Not effective, but a thought none the less.
My apologies if this gets a bit off track, but some of what was said before really lit up my mental lightbulb.
If I may add my own two cents regarding a possible beginning, if a jailing occurs for Shepard, perhaps it could be a feint by the Council. Its high likely that due to an attempted compromisation of the Council by either the Reapers or by a malignant organisation, they would publicly denounce and incarcerate Shepard, yet privatly 'give him the slip'. His/her objective then would be to track down these persons and find out if they had a connection to Cerberus/SB/Reapers.
Not effective, but a thought none the less.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:02
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sorry for my disappearance folks, but my ISP's server room got flooded by heavy rain-fixed just now, what's up?
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:12
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Is it also possible that Shepard could suffer a serious injury resulting in facial disfigurement at the beginning of ME3, and that Liara or your LI or whoever help Shepard reconstruct the face? That could be a way of explaining away Shepard's changed appearance.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:15
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Perhaps, though I think plasma burns could really be right out (you could die!).
Not sure how well Liara could be in a medical sense ... she's not that type of doctor!
Not sure how well Liara could be in a medical sense ... she's not that type of doctor!
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:18
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Hm we kind of been there done that in ME2,not that it would stop Bioware from doing it mind you,but it would feel repetitive
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:20
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I f-ing hate these plot contrivances to change class or facial appearence. I don't understand why people would want to do it, and if they did just give them the option in a menu. Writing a f-ing moronic scene into a game just allow people to do that is just well... moronic.
This makes me angry... I just want to...
This makes me angry... I just want to...
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:24
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It's one of those things that shouldn't require an explanation and plot contrivance. As the game assumes that your appearance has been that way all along if you chose to change Shepard's appearance in ME2, it should do the same with your class.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:26
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For what it's worth:
Title: Let You Go
Characters/Pairings: Miranda and Liara gen. Mentions of Liara/Male Shepard
Rating: PG for some violent imagery.
Word count: 1650
Summary: Liara wrestles with her guilt at handing Shepard toCerberus. She and
Miranda discuss their next steps. Spoilers for Redemption.
Title: Let You Go
Characters/Pairings: Miranda and Liara gen. Mentions of Liara/Male Shepard
Rating: PG for some violent imagery.
Word count: 1650
Summary: Liara wrestles with her guilt at handing Shepard toCerberus. She and
Miranda discuss their next steps. Spoilers for Redemption.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:26
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Huh, all too true, WS.
Anyway, on a Liara tangent, Im curious: we've all more or less gauged that Liara recieved biotics training at some point in her earlier years, but what about weapons training? Sure, she may not be able to wield an assault rifle like a commando, but Im surprised she's even able to hold a sidearm correctly, much more or less use one proficiantly in combat.
Formal training, or on the fly self-education?
Anyway, on a Liara tangent, Im curious: we've all more or less gauged that Liara recieved biotics training at some point in her earlier years, but what about weapons training? Sure, she may not be able to wield an assault rifle like a commando, but Im surprised she's even able to hold a sidearm correctly, much more or less use one proficiantly in combat.
Formal training, or on the fly self-education?
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:26
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Perhaps, though I think plasma burns could really be right out (you could die!).
Not sure how well Liara could be in a medical sense ... she's not that type of doctor!
Haha! Nah, I didn't mean Liara or the LI helping out in any medical sense, just assisting with Shepard's recovery or something.
I agree with everyone else, though. If they're going to reset Shepard's abilities and alter her appearance....just do it. Don't contrive to explain it with plot reasons, like in ME2.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:27
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Frankly they should just give those the chance that want to do it when they import the save,actually its really annoying that the shoved the whole intro sequence inbetween it in ME2
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For what it's worth:
Title: Let You Go
Characters/Pairings: Miranda and Liara gen. Mentions of Liara/Male Shepard
Rating: PG for some violent imagery.
Word count: 1650
Summary: Liara wrestles with her guilt at handing Shepard toCerberus. She and
Miranda discuss their next steps. Spoilers for Redemption.
I love it, jtav. Nice to see you've elaborated on and expanded on what should have been featured at the end of Redemption, and shown what a traumatic and guilt-inducing event it was for Liara to hand the corpse over. Good job.
