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I just hope the Trashed dialogue isn't a sign of things to come, since based on those lines, relationship wise, nothing was added after killing the Shadow Broker, besides her becoming worse.


Me too, but like everyone has said it's highly unlikely that the cut dialogue will ever see the light of day, as it appears that everything with Liara has been rewritten and revised.

Plus, the way I see it, the cut dialogue actually reveals what they originally intended to use as a reason for Liara not being a squaddie in ME3: that she was sorting through the SB's data to find information on the Collectors in order to help Shepard in the upcoming battles. She was trying to help you.

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The more i think about it, it seems more a trap using player (character) centered morality than actually trying to make you change to a devs favorite LI. Leaving Liara after what she did for you (and the comic doesn´t say anything new ) and she is hunting on her own a powerful ally of the Collectors because she doesn´t go with you? What the Hell Hero in all its glory. (With Ash/Kaiden is asking them desertion and join a terrorist group. And people get angry at their reaction).
Funny you moved to Tali, from the videos she has a ME1 Liara air. Hope they address everything in ME3, but character writing is not as good as DA in either ME.


Well first the SB is not an ally of the Collectors he just made a business deal with them nothing more,hes actually never really on someones,the only thing he has an intrest in is profit
Also I dont believe he has anything to do with the reapers,the attempts to cram them in into the Liara/SB arc,I dont know they just seem like more or less vain attempts to bring some justification to a weak storyline
As for Ash/Kaidan I think its more like people are angry on how the whole thing plays out since they basicly walk out of the game before Shepard really gets any chance to explain him/herself
As for Tali,I agree in parts she sort of has taken Liaras spot in the romances,its actually strange they didnt really feel the need to change her much but Liara seemingly wasnt "dark and edgy" enough to fit in anymore
Which is overall my main problem with ME2 Liara,the change has nearly zero explaination,feels completely unnatural and was totally uncalled for
If they wanted to make her more confident have her "grow up" or whatever there were better ways to do it,she could also be on Illos researching trying to find something against the reapers,but god forbid someone else in the galaxy aside from Cerberus caring about the reapers,that would have tarnished their halo
Being an archealogist wasnt "dark and edgy" enough,so she had to be an information broker for the sake of "darkness",handling things "mob boss" style sitting behind a desk calling hits on people,threatning others,it doesnt matter why she does it,it just  feelsso as I said uncalled for
The whole SB thing also had to be shoved in mainly to have a reason for her not joining,the comic was just a way to make a little extra cash with it,frankly her role in the comci could have been taken by other characters,for example Jacob and Miranda would have worked out too

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Just before the schoolgirl squee.

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Noxis6 wrote...

The whole SB thing also had to be shoved in mainly to have a reason for her not joining,the comic was just a way to make a little extra cash with it,frankly her role in the comci could have been taken by other characters,for example Jacob and Miranda would have worked out too


Yeah, that's the hugest plothole. Miranda could have done everything and more with her Cerberus troops. Feron and Liara don't do anything that require them. Miranda could have talked to Aria to learn where the body was. Miranda could have tracked Tazzik's ship, gun down everyone at SB's base, got the data (since Feron downloading it infront of the Shadow Broker himself was no problem...), saved the body, and then everyone's happy. They literally didn't have to be put in danger, unless TIM prefers aliens dying for him, then risk Miranda.

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I think it's just because Liara was so focused on SB; once he was dealt with they could have a relationship again.


Maybe, and I'd agree that interpretation was alot more plausible if any exclusive romance content was actually included in-game. As it's all but absent, I think they're maintaining the status quo of the romance so that it can be tackled in the DLC.


I just hope the Trashed dialogue isn't a sign of things to come, since based on those lines, relationship wise, nothing was added after killing the Shadow Broker, besides her becoming worse.


If they have her become the new SB. Then her character is truly FUBAR. And I won't any longe feel small amount of guilt trying romancing Samara.

Also imagine how much fuel that would add to the Liara haters if she became the new SB.

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Like I said, I can't see her assuming the SB's position at any point, especially with the way she's been written so far. Her only motivation for working as an info broker, a job she clearly hates, is to take down the SB. Once he's dealt with, she's going back with Shepard again, like she expresses a desire to in the game.

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Well if we take the good old cut content again,in it she becomes the Shadow Broker in everything but name,since she has just taken charge of his remaining agents,while these lines are just garbage now,no one stops Bioware from reusing this plotpoint in a new fashion in a potential DLC just with different lines,since it would also be a convinient way to keep her out of the squad for good looking at ME3

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Noxis6 wrote...

Well if we take the good old cut content again,in it she becomes the Shadow Broker in everything but name,since she has just taken charge of his remaining agents,while these lines are just garbage now,no one stops Bioware from reusing this plotpoint in a new fashion in a potential DLC just with different lines,since it would also be a convinient way to keep her out of the squad for good looking at ME3


She will become...

The illusive woman!

Oh god. All that character derailment would kill me!

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She will become...

The illusive woman!

Oh god. All that character derailment would kill me!


Just wait she will take up smoking too and one of her quests will be to aquire more cigarettes for her in ME3:wizard:

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Slap some TIM eyes on her, and have her drink some daceries ....:P

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Noxis6 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

She will become...

The illusive woman!

Oh god. All that character derailment would kill me!


Just wait she will take up smoking too and one of her quests will be to aquire more cigarettes for her in ME3:wizard:


She would also pick up her mother's dress code!

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Is Liara scared of further character derailment that the future might hold?

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Lizardviking wrote...

Noxis6 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

She will become...

The illusive woman!

Oh god. All that character derailment would kill me!


Just wait she will take up smoking too and one of her quests will be to aquire more cigarettes for her in ME3:wizard:


She would also pick up her mother's dress code!


It could be worse. You could find out they are secretly married (Can't let the xenophobes at Cerberus find out about that, and TIM has a racist company to run), and Liara just didn't have the guts to tell you.

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Oh goodie! evil Liara talk again! *facepalm*

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No, your fears and outright pessimism is scaring her!

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It could be worse. You could find out they are secretly married (Can't let the xenophobes at Cerberus find out about it, and TIM has a racist company to run), and Liara just didn't have the guts to tell you.


Well wouldnt be that shocking given the chance TIM could have died of lung cancer inbetween the games:wizard:

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It could be worse. You could find out they are secretly married (Can't let the xenophobes at Cerberus find out about it, and TIM has a racist company to run), and Liara just didn't have the guts to tell you.


I'm sorry Shepard, but I found another while you were gone. He's a great man! He's even the CEO for a ship manufacturing company on earth!

And the eyes :wub:!

Man it must suck to be wakend up by a terroist orginasation and then have your new boss tell you, that he have f""""" your girlfriend the last two years! :pinched:

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TMA LIVE wrote...

It could be worse. You could find out they are secretly married (Can't let the xenophobes at Cerberus find out about it, and TIM has a racist company to run), and Liara just didn't have the guts to tell you.


I'm sorry Shepard, but I found another while you were gone. He's a great man! He's even the CEO for a ship manufacturing company on earth!

And the eyes :wub:!

Man it must suck to be wakend up by a terroist orginasation and then have your new boss tell you, that he have f""""" your girlfriend the last two years! :pinched:


TIM: Sorry Shepard, but I didn't want you distracted by your pasted relationship. So I ****ed her while you've been sleeping, because I'm in the position to make the HARD choices, can afford being distracted. And it was good. No hard feelings.

LIARA: We did it for you. We did it because we love you.

SHEPARD::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::pinched: GAHHH!

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Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

It could be worse. You could find out they are secretly married (Can't let the xenophobes at Cerberus find out about it, and TIM has a racist company to run), and Liara just didn't have the guts to tell you.


I'm sorry Shepard, but I found another while you were gone. He's a great man! He's even the CEO for a ship manufacturing company on earth!

And the eyes :wub:!

Man it must suck to be wakend up by a terroist orginasation and then have your new boss tell you, that he have f""""" your girlfriend the last two years! :pinched:

I would cry. For real. Just break down crying. Because that would be a serious kick in the nuts.

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TIM: Sorry Shepard, but I didn't want you distracted by your pasted relationship. So I ****ed her while you've been sleeping, because I can afford being distracted. And it was good. No hard feelings though.

LIARA: We did it for you. We did it because we love you.

SHEPARD::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::pinched: GAHHH!


I think you got Shepards reaction wrong s/he would more be like :mellow:

Though when if comes to player reaction I think that would nail it:wizard:

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TIM: Me and Liara are married now shepard. Hope there isn't any hard feelings between us?



Shepard: I should go!

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I've head a lot of talk here about Liara DLC. I'm just wondering if this is something you guys have speculated, or something that the devs have confirmed?

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No, your fears and outright pessimism is scaring her!


Don't get angry at me Les. Somebody has to be the bad guy here!

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Well its nothing confirmed by the devs its just speculation mostly based on files labeled Liara_dlc in from the pc version they are empty placeholders though