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[ratzerman]

pf17456 wrote...

Miranda chip, brain dammage, poor writing. Your choice

I choose poor writing!  Mac Walters should be working at Burger King!

[pf17456]

ratzerman wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

Miranda chip, brain dammage, poor writing. Your choice

I choose poor writing!  Mac Walters should be working at Burger King!

Bring back the originals.

[WilliamShatner]

Liara and Shepard both came down with a terrible disease known as maciuswalterous, a debilitating and potential fatale disease.

[jtav]

I choose poor writing/design. There were several occasions where some really obvious options were not available. My guess is time constraints rather than incompetence or indifference. ME2 had excellent writing in places, so I know Walters is capable of excellent work.

[pf17456]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Liara and Shepard both came down with a terrible disease known as maciuswalterous, a debilitating and potential fatale disease.

I hear it's very catchy and related to grandiosity

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I choose poor writing/design. There were several occasions where some really obvious options were not available. My guess is time constraints rather than incompetence or indifference. ME2 had excellent writing in places, so I know Walters is capable of excellent work.

I don't think he put much thought into the Liara piece, tbh.  It wasn't one of their top priorities for ME2 and it shows.

[bjdbwea]

WilliamShatner wrote...

No, I don't feel betrayed by a fictional character.

I feel betrayed by the writers and whoever thought this was the direction to go.

This.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I choose poor writing/design. There were several occasions where some really obvious options were not available. My guess is time constraints rather than incompetence or indifference. ME2 had excellent writing in places, so I know Walters is capable of excellent work.

I don't think he put much thought into the Liara piece, tbh.  It wasn't one of their top priorities for ME2 and it shows.

Or it wasn't "his" character, and he purposely did a crap job to turn the fans against her. 
Kinda like how male lions will kill the cubs fathered by other males. 

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I choose poor writing/design. There were several occasions where some really obvious options were not available. My guess is time constraints rather than incompetence or indifference. ME2 had excellent writing in places, so I know Walters is capable of excellent work.

I don't think he put much thought into the Liara piece, tbh.  It wasn't one of their top priorities for ME2 and it shows.

Or it wasn't "his" character, and he purposely did a crap job to turn the fans against her. 
Kinda like how male lions will kill the cubs fathered by other males. 

I never thought of it that way...

bastard.

[bjdbwea]

I doubt it. Where in ME 2 was the writing really good? Not in the main story, that's for sure. Mordin stands out, and of course many people like the Tali stuff. But apart from that? Kelly was well done, apart from the ridiculous ending. The (few) conversations with crew members on board the Normandy were okay. But that's pretty much it. Everything else was functional at best, and repeatedly even that would be too much praise.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 juin 2010 - 01:20 .

[pf17456]

The piece was likely written and it included the Shadow Broker stuff that was found in hidden files and then it was decided not to include SB stuff either because of the comic or a decision to include it at a later date with more depth and this likely occurred close to production so instead of rewriting the entire piece it was just chopped up to save time. Maybe they'll make up for it

[Andaius20]

anyone have and Liara artwork to share? No master link table in the OP like the other threads.

[jtav]

pf17456 wrote...

The piece was likely written and it included the Shadow Broker stuff that was found in hidden files and then it was decided not to include SB stuff either because of the comic or a decision to include it at a later date with more depth and this likely occurred close to production so instead of rewriting the entire piece it was just chopped up to save time. Maybe they'll make up for it

That's my theory. Like I said, there's too much in ME2 that's top-notch (the new team, the loyalty missions, the deeper looks into asari and krogan culture) for me to believe anyone on the team is a hack.

[pf17456]

bjdbwea wrote...

I doubt it. Where in ME 2 was the writing really good? Not in the main story, that's for sure. Mordin stands out, and of course many people like the Tali stuff. But apart from that? Kelly was well done, apart from the ridiculous ending. The (few) conversations with crew members on board the Normandy were okay. But that's pretty much it. Everything else was functional at best, and repeatedly even that would be too much praise.

Too focused on shooter stuff and explosions and not enough on story, dialogue and character development. They could have done a much better job with that. You'd think they'd want to since those elements were what made the first game so great

[pf17456]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

By the way, I'm really pleased to hear that you're continuing your Liara/Miranda fic, jtav. I thought the first chapter was very well written. Looking forward to reading more!

I second that.

Wonder if the writing staff reads fan fiction. A lot of great ideas there.

[bjdbwea]

pf17456 wrote...

Too focused on shooter stuff and explosions and not enough on story, dialogue and character development. They could have done a much better job with that. You'd think they'd want to since those elements were what made the first game so great.

Well, yes and no. Yes, the story had to take the back seat, unfortunately. However, less quantity doesn't have to mean lower quality too. The Liara scene is the perfect example: We knew before she would just have a small side role. But that doesn't mean it had to be as badly written as it is. Even a short scene can be well written, can be memorable.

The same is true for the game as a whole. Just because you want to have more action and less talking, doesn't mean the writing has to be so bland and unimaginative - or in those cases where it is imaginative, so dumb and laughable like the whole  "human reaper" thing.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 juin 2010 - 01:50 .

[Andaius20]

[jtav]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

By the way, I'm really pleased to hear that you're continuing your Liara/Miranda fic, jtav. I thought the first chapter was very well written. Looking forward to reading more!

Maybe. I haven't really decided if I really want to or if my plot works, and am trying to work up the nerve to do a Miranda/Thane story. (I ship Miranda/almost anyone but Shepard).