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For the gentleman who hooked up with Jack and wants to go back to Liara...you made your choice buddy. Not only is that cold blooded on Jack, but she is also very likely to kill you!

[JPfanner]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I just had a thought.

Liara is the only squad member from the first Mass Effect that cannot get killed. So this means that this is Bioware giving the haters a huge nose-thumb, or that Liara's character *specifically* has a role to play in Mass Effect 3, possibly a greater role than others.

And should Liara survive the events of Mass Effect 3 (and she'd sure better!) regardless of player choice, that would she could be around for future installments of the Mass Effect story. I mean think about it; she's already proven she can sell comic books, and lots of them. Where Bioware to take advantage of this, potentially Liara could become Mass Effect's R2-D2, a character who is always around, even if the events take place hundreds of years after the events of the story that introduced them. Liara still has at least a good eight hundred ninety-two years of potential story left.

In fact, here's an idea; nearly nine hundred years after the events of Mass Effect, the batarian homeworld is threatened by the shockwave of an exploding star. Matriarch Liara promises to save the batarians and enlists the help of the captain of a batarian mining ship. But Liara is too late and the supernova consumes the batarian homeworld. Overcome with a mad desire for revenge, the batarian captain, whose wife was on the batarian homeworld when it was destroyed, goes after Liara's ship. However, both of their ships are pulled into the artificial black hole Liara created to absorb the supernova and they are both sent back in time, the batarian captain to the very day Shepard was born and...

Wait... this is starting to sound very familiar...

Why would anyone bother trying to save the batarian homeworld?

[Srslydude01]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Srslydude01 wrote...

A 15+ hour expansion just for Liara would be too unfair to the fanbases of other characters, esp Ashley/Kaidan. I personally would love if they would do that, but I don't think it is all that realistic. The information is there, but would the general population buy it? I can't say for sure.

Whose to say they don't have something in the works for Ash/Kaidan as well?  I actually kinda hope they do, and even though I'm not an Ash/Kaidan romancer they are still important parts of Shep's story, I'd buy it.

Look at Awakenings for DA:O, I think that is about the size it is expected to be is it not?  I would expect something about the same size/price.  Of course I wouldn't mind if it was larger than that.

Ya, Awakenings is about that length. It could work because it does continue with the story like Awakenings does. I definitely see how you could implement Ashley/Kaidan in it as well after seeing your all's suggestions. That would help give it length and depth. It really is the only big piece of missing information in the entire game so it would make sense to make that an Expansion. I just don't know if they would bother with an expansion or just go straight to ME 3 with that.

[IndigoWolfe]

JPfanner wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I just had a thought.

Liara is the only squad member from the first Mass Effect that cannot get killed. So this means that this is Bioware giving the haters a huge nose-thumb, or that Liara's character *specifically* has a role to play in Mass Effect 3, possibly a greater role than others.

And should Liara survive the events of Mass Effect 3 (and she'd sure better!) regardless of player choice, that would she could be around for future installments of the Mass Effect story. I mean think about it; she's already proven she can sell comic books, and lots of them. Where Bioware to take advantage of this, potentially Liara could become Mass Effect's R2-D2, a character who is always around, even if the events take place hundreds of years after the events of the story that introduced them. Liara still has at least a good eight hundred ninety-two years of potential story left.

In fact, here's an idea; nearly nine hundred years after the events of Mass Effect, the batarian homeworld is threatened by the shockwave of an exploding star. Matriarch Liara promises to save the batarians and enlists the help of the captain of a batarian mining ship. But Liara is too late and the supernova consumes the batarian homeworld. Overcome with a mad desire for revenge, the batarian captain, whose wife was on the batarian homeworld when it was destroyed, goes after Liara's ship. However, both of their ships are pulled into the artificial black hole Liara created to absorb the supernova and they are both sent back in time, the batarian captain to the very day Shepard was born and...

Wait... this is starting to sound very familiar...

Why would anyone bother trying to save the batarian homeworld?

Reference, mate. Reference. And besides, something tells me not *all* batarians are scumbags.

[JPfanner]

I'm not sure either. Mass Effect: Revelations comes out in July. And that, amazingly, deals with Cerberus and TIM. It takes place right after the events of ME2. So it'll be interesting to see what the "canon" story on some things are going to be. The book with either have to be laughingly insanely vague on everything that happened in ME2, or establish that some things did happen or did not happen.

[IndigoWolfe]

JPfanner wrote...

I'm not sure either. Mass Effect: Retribution comes out in July. And that, amazingly, deals with Cerberus and TIM. It takes place right after the events of ME2. So it'll be interesting to see what the "canon" story on some things are going to be. The book with either have to be laughingly insanely vague on everything that happened in ME2, or establish that some things did happen or did not happen.

Has there been any indication that Retribution will take place after the events of Mass Effect 2? It could take place during the time Shepard is being reconstructed.

[Yeled]

bjdbwea wrote...

And let me repeat again: If it comes to this, you fully support it when you buy it. Complaining on the forums has no relevance in comparison.

True enough.  But just as important is BW's impression of how polpular Liara is, and how maketable she is.  If they release Liara dlc and people don't buy it, that's an indictment of Liara as a marketable character.  Even if you don't buy it because its a mission pack and not a romance pack.  You not supporting Liara dlc lowers the chances Liara shows up in ME3 as a squadmate no matter how justifiable your choice.

[Corti78]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

I'm not sure either. Mass Effect: Retribution comes out in July. And that, amazingly, deals with Cerberus and TIM. It takes place right after the events of ME2. So it'll be interesting to see what the "canon" story on some things are going to be. The book with either have to be laughingly insanely vague on everything that happened in ME2, or establish that some things did happen or did not happen.

Has there been any indication that Retribution will take place after the events of Mass Effect 2? It could take place during the time Shepard is being reconstructed.

I've seen some places mention it as a prequel to the events of ME2 which is highly likely imo. I don't see it working post-ME2 without counterminding our Shepard's decisions in ME2 in some form.

Modifié par Corti78, 07 mars 2010 - 01:49 .

[JPfanner]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

I'm not sure either. Mass Effect: Retribution comes out in July. And that, amazingly, deals with Cerberus and TIM. It takes place right after the events of ME2. So it'll be interesting to see what the "canon" story on some things are going to be. The book with either have to be laughingly insanely vague on everything that happened in ME2, or establish that some things did happen or did not happen.

Has there been any indication that Retribution will take place after the events of Mass Effect 2? It could take place during the time Shepard is being reconstructed.

Mass Effect: Retribution follows soon after the events of Mass Effect 2. The Illusive Man, leader of the pro-human paramilitary organization Cerberus, is attempting to learn more about the Reapers, an advanced race of sentient machines that periodically purges the galaxy of all organic civilizations. Having obtained Reaper technology, the Illusive Man decides to implant a human with it to learn more about the Reapers. Paul Grayson, a major character in Mass Effect Ascension and former Cerberus operative, is kidnapped to become the Illusive Man's test subject.

That is from the wiki page, it has some links to interviews and stuff.

[IndigoWolfe]

Maybe Grayson will be the main antagonist in Mass 3.

[IndigoWolfe]

JPfanner wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

I'm not sure either. Mass Effect: Retribution comes out in July. And that, amazingly, deals with Cerberus and TIM. It takes place right after the events of ME2. So it'll be interesting to see what the "canon" story on some things are going to be. The book with either have to be laughingly insanely vague on everything that happened in ME2, or establish that some things did happen or did not happen.

Has there been any indication that Retribution will take place after the events of Mass Effect 2? It could take place during the time Shepard is being reconstructed.

Mass Effect: Retribution follows soon after the events of Mass Effect 2. The Illusive Man, leader of the pro-human paramilitary organization Cerberus, is attempting to learn more about the Reapers, an advanced race of sentient machines that periodically purges the galaxy of all organic civilizations. Having obtained Reaper technology, the Illusive Man decides to implant a human with it to learn more about the Reapers. Paul Grayson, a major character in Mass Effect Ascension and former Cerberus operative, is kidnapped to become the Illusive Man's test subject.

That is from the wiki page, it has some links to interviews and stuff.

Okay, yeah. I'd say that's pretty conclusive.

[JPfanner]

This is from Drew's page.



Basically, like the other ME books, this novel focuses on a story not directly involving Commander Shepard, but that still helps flesh out the ME universe while helping to set up elements that will be featured in the third game

[bjdbwea]

Yeled wrote...

True enough.  But just as important is BW's impression of how polpular Liara is, and how maketable she is.  If they release Liara dlc and people don't buy it, that's an indictment of Liara as a marketable character.  Even if you don't buy it because its a mission pack and not a romance pack.  You not supporting Liara dlc lowers the chances Liara shows up in ME3 as a squadmate no matter how justifiable your choice.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I would of course inform them on their forums about the reason I'm not buying the DLC. They don't read it of course, but more I can not do. I would never pay for a Liara DLC that insults us further by again ignoring the relationship. And if they decide to sideline her in ME 3 again, I might just not buy that either. If (console) players wouldn't willfully throw their money at everything, we'd never have this generally low standard of DLC to begin with (but that's off topic).

[Yeled]

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeled wrote...

True enough.  But just as important is BW's impression of how polpular Liara is, and how maketable she is.  If they release Liara dlc and people don't buy it, that's an indictment of Liara as a marketable character.  Even if you don't buy it because its a mission pack and not a romance pack.  You not supporting Liara dlc lowers the chances Liara shows up in ME3 as a squadmate no matter how justifiable your choice.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I would of course inform them on their forums about the reason I'm not buying the DLC. They don't read it of course, but more I can not do. I would never pay for a Liara DLC that insults us further by again ignoring the relationship. And if they decide to sideline her in ME 3 again, I might just not buy that either. If (console) players wouldn't willfully throw their money at everything, we'd never have this generally low standard of DLC to begin with (but that's off topic).

Of course you're right.  I'm only pointing out that there are consequences to making your fully justified decision.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeled wrote...

True enough.  But just as important is BW's impression of how polpular Liara is, and how maketable she is.  If they release Liara dlc and people don't buy it, that's an indictment of Liara as a marketable character.  Even if you don't buy it because its a mission pack and not a romance pack.  You not supporting Liara dlc lowers the chances Liara shows up in ME3 as a squadmate no matter how justifiable your choice.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I would of course inform them on their forums about the reason I'm not buying the DLC. They don't read it of course, but more I can not do. I would never pay for a Liara DLC that insults us further by again ignoring the relationship. And if they decide to sideline her in ME 3 again, I might just not buy that either. If (console) players wouldn't willfully throw their money at everything, we'd never have this generally low standard of DLC to begin with (but that's off topic).

I'm with ya.  If they don't do it right I see no reason to give them my money.

[Nozybidaj]

Just a quick (and it won't be surprising) update. After having finished my new ME1 run today. I thought why not import into ME2. Got to the start of Freedom's Progress and quit, just can't see any particularly good reason to bother playing it. I've really tried to like the game, I just can't do it.

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Liara is working with Cerberus in ME2 as has been speculated, maybe there's a chance she will appear in the new book?

I can hope, can't I? ;-)

On the one hand a Liara-centric novel would make me all swoony.  But then I look at what was acceptable in ME2 and I just get scared at how that would probably turn out.
As for the book, implanting a personal enemy with strange alien technology from a race that wants to exterminate all organic life has to be a new level of stupid even for TIM.  People talk about Cerberus being all evil, and that's true.  They talk about TIM being all manipulative, and that's true.  But I can't really take Cerberus or TIM seriously because they are so freaking stupid and inept.  TIM is like the Dr. Evil of Mass Effect.

[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Just a quick (and it won't be surprising) update. After having finished my new ME1 run today. I thought why not import into ME2. Got to the start of Freedom's Progress and quit, just can't see any particularly good reason to bother playing it. I've really tried to like the game, I just can't do it.

I keep trying to do an insanity playthrough, but I keep going back to
ME1 or Warhammer 40k (Soulstorm, I enjoy the Imperial Guard for those of you who know what I am talking about).
Mostly (99%) ME1 though, I can never get
enough Liara. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

Take ME2, replace Cerberus with Alliance, replace Miranda and Jacob with Liara and your Virmire survivor and the game instantly would have become one of my all time favorites.  Such a waste.

[bjdbwea]

You'd still have a mostly bad main story, dumbed down RPG elements, removed inventory, and amazingly shallow side quests. At least thanks to the save game editor, we can ignore the idiotic planet scanning.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...


Take ME2, replace Cerberus with Alliance, replace Miranda and Jacob with Liara and your Virmire survivor and the game instantly would have become one of my all time favorites.  Such a waste.

Its funny because you're so right.  The story really didn't need Cerberus at all.  You could have had the Alliance in the orchestrating the mission role, and the whole rest of the galaxy doesn't believe Anderson that human colonies are being taken, etc.  It changes almost nothing.

And then you've got the opportunity to explore relationships with more depth, and emphasize humans surviving in their darkest hour as the galaxy turns their backs on them despite what they did in ME1.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

You'd still have a mostly bad main story, dumbed down RPG elements, removed inventory, and amazingly shallow side quests. At least thanks to the save game editor, we can ignore the idiotic planet scanning.

Agreed, but at least I would have cared about those things.  

And I actually liked the new inventory system it just needed fleshed out and not left in a completely bare bones state as far as options go.