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[Blansten]

revan11exile wrote...

 Hey you guys i just finished reading the issue 3 of comic and it seems that Liara is really mad crazy about Shepard,hell she almost killed Feron saying something about shepard then she went into the shadow brokers room and went crazy destroying everthing in it.I feel really sorry for people who cheated on the liara which i am guilty of because i cheated on liara with Jack . (pray for me every one)

I am really glad I created a "nomance" Shepard so I could romance Jack without cheating

poor Liara 

Modifié par Blansten, 07 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


Take ME2, replace Cerberus with Alliance, replace Miranda and Jacob with Liara and your Virmire survivor and the game instantly would have become one of my all time favorites.  Such a waste.

Its funny because you're so right.  The story really didn't need Cerberus at all.  You could have had the Alliance in the orchestrating the mission role, and the whole rest of the galaxy doesn't believe Anderson that human colonies are being taken, etc.  It changes almost nothing.

And then you've got the opportunity to explore relationships with more depth, and emphasize humans surviving in their darkest hour as the galaxy turns their backs on them despite what they did in ME1.

Yep.  We'll see with ME3 if BW is actually able to do progressive story and characters.  ME2 hitting the reset button feels a lot like they either didn't know how to do that or were scared to try and do that.  I mean another entire game that is nothing but introducing new characters?  Really?  That is the best idea they could come up with for a sequel?

[vigna]

Well, they need to add the cuddling and lap sitting scenes for Liara and Ash/Kaidan as well.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


Take ME2, replace Cerberus with Alliance, replace Miranda and Jacob with Liara and your Virmire survivor and the game instantly would have become one of my all time favorites.  Such a waste.

Its funny because you're so right.  The story really didn't need Cerberus at all.  You could have had the Alliance in the orchestrating the mission role, and the whole rest of the galaxy doesn't believe Anderson that human colonies are being taken, etc.  It changes almost nothing.

And then you've got the opportunity to explore relationships with more depth, and emphasize humans surviving in their darkest hour as the galaxy turns their backs on them despite what they did in ME1.

Yep.  We'll see with ME3 if BW is actually able to do progressive story and characters.  ME2 hitting the reset button feels a lot like they either didn't know how to do that or were scared to try and do that.  I mean another entire game that is nothing but introducing new characters?  Really?  That is the best idea they could come up with for a sequel?

It really wasn't very innovative, no.  I did like that at the end your strategic decisions made a difference in terms of success.  That was new and interesting.  But its almost like they came up with that concept and built the entire game and story around that end sequence mechanic.  It suddenly became about recruitment and loyalty because it would have an effect on the ending.

That's all well and good, but you can't build a story around it.  And how much more powerful would it have been if you're making choices to keep your ME1 squadmates, who by now are your constant companions, alive.  It was almost a cowardly choice to keep those characters "safe."

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


Take ME2, replace Cerberus with Alliance, replace Miranda and Jacob with Liara and your Virmire survivor and the game instantly would have become one of my all time favorites.  Such a waste.

Its funny because you're so right.  The story really didn't need Cerberus at all.  You could have had the Alliance in the orchestrating the mission role, and the whole rest of the galaxy doesn't believe Anderson that human colonies are being taken, etc.  It changes almost nothing.

And then you've got the opportunity to explore relationships with more depth, and emphasize humans surviving in their darkest hour as the galaxy turns their backs on them despite what they did in ME1.

Yep.  We'll see with ME3 if BW is actually able to do progressive story and characters.  ME2 hitting the reset button feels a lot like they either didn't know how to do that or were scared to try and do that.  I mean another entire game that is nothing but introducing new characters?  Really?  That is the best idea they could come up with for a sequel?

It really wasn't very innovative, no.  I did like that at the end your strategic decisions made a difference in terms of success.  That was new and interesting.  But its almost like they came up with that concept and built the entire game and story around that end sequence mechanic.  It suddenly became about recruitment and loyalty because it would have an effect on the ending.

That's all well and good, but you can't build a story around it.  And how much more powerful would it have been if you're making choices to keep your ME1 squadmates, who by now are your constant companions, alive.  It was almost a cowardly choice to keep those characters "safe."

Yeah I would have felt a much more invested interest in keeping folks alive if they had included the ME1 LI's. 

[Driveninhifi]

Speaking of progressive storytelling, I'm curious to see how they handle romances in ME3. They've basically written themselves into a place where they HAVE to deal with it. Imagine Shepard romances Jack in ME2 and had no ME1 romance. There's absolutely no way Jack is leaving the only person who she's ever cared about. If she's alive, she probably never leaves Shepard's side.



You can make a similar argument for Miranda if she is the love interest and you blow up the base. She has nowhere else to go. Tali would probably stay as well, though you may be able to argue she should become an admiral in the quarian fleet.



For female Shepards, the same is true for Garrus and Jacob. Thane is dying, so it's understandable he'd want to see his son.



As for staying true to your ME1 LIs, I'd think Shepard would want to recruit them first if he/she is building an army to fight the Reapers. Especially if Liara has connections - though get the feeling her info network is not that big outside of Ilium.

[Driveninhifi]

Yeled wrote...

It really wasn't very innovative, no.  I did like that at the end your strategic decisions made a difference in terms of success.  That was new and interesting.  But its almost like they came up with that concept and built the entire game and story around that end sequence mechanic.  It suddenly became about recruitment and loyalty because it would have an effect on the ending.

That's an interesting point. It does feel like they probably did come up with the suicide mission first and built the story around it. It also felt like they originally wanted to let you do the recruitment in any order, but decided to add more structure towards the end of development.

[jlb524]

Blansten wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

 Hey you guys i just finished reading the issue 3 of comic and it seems that Liara is really mad crazy about Shepard,hell she almost killed Feron saying something about shepard then she went into the shadow brokers room and went crazy destroying everthing in it.I feel really sorry for people who cheated on the liara which i am guilty of because i cheated on liara with Jack . (pray for me every one)

I am really glad I create a "nomance" Shepard so I could romance Jack without cheating

I did the same, though I still have to finish that Shepard.

@revan

Jack or Liara?  Aw man you're screwed.  You're probably not going to see much of Jack in ME3, and will see a heck of a lot more of Liara, so I have a feeling you'll really want to get back with Liara by then.  Poor Jack (or poor Shepard after she shockwaves his behind).

[Nozybidaj]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Speaking of progressive storytelling, I'm curious to see how they handle romances in ME3. They've basically written themselves into a place where they HAVE to deal with it. Imagine Shepard romances Jack in ME2 and had no ME1 romance. There's absolutely no way Jack is leaving the only person who she's ever cared about. If she's alive, she probably never leaves Shepard's side.

You can make a similar argument for Miranda if she is the love interest and you blow up the base. She has nowhere else to go. Tali would probably stay as well, though you may be able to argue she should become an admiral in the quarian fleet.

For female Shepards, the same is true for Garrus and Jacob. Thane is dying, so it's understandable he'd want to see his son.

As for staying true to your ME1 LIs, I'd think Shepard would want to recruit them first if he/she is building an army to fight the Reapers. Especially if Liara has connections - though get the feeling her info network is not that big outside of Ilium.

/shrug  I wouldn't be terribly shocked at this point if they didn't.  Throw around a few off screen deaths, insert some new cameos, create a few new characters, a couple of shoddy excuses to keep folks out of the story and viola all new romances.  "These new romances are really compelling we thinkg you are going to really like them". <_<

It worked for them once, why not?

[MassEffect762]

And here I thought I was a Liara Fan, jlb524 and Nozybidaj you guys/gals are hardcore Liara fans.



*Respectful bow*

[bjdbwea]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Speaking of progressive storytelling, I'm curious to see how they handle romances in ME3. They've basically written themselves into a place where they HAVE to deal with it. Imagine Shepard romances Jack in ME2 and had no ME1 romance. There's absolutely no way Jack is leaving the only person who she's ever cared about. If she's alive, she probably never leaves Shepard's side.

Well, Jack doesn't seem all that popular, does she. So she probably will find a reason to leave Shepard after all, maybe to seek revenge against someone. When they meet again, the romance isn't mentioned. The meeting takes place in one of the twelve shops in the game that sell gifts for Tali.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Speaking of progressive storytelling, I'm curious to see how they handle romances in ME3. They've basically written themselves into a place where they HAVE to deal with it. Imagine Shepard romances Jack in ME2 and had no ME1 romance. There's absolutely no way Jack is leaving the only person who she's ever cared about. If she's alive, she probably never leaves Shepard's side.

You can make a similar argument for Miranda if she is the love interest and you blow up the base. She has nowhere else to go. Tali would probably stay as well, though you may be able to argue she should become an admiral in the quarian fleet.

For female Shepards, the same is true for Garrus and Jacob. Thane is dying, so it's understandable he'd want to see his son.

As for staying true to your ME1 LIs, I'd think Shepard would want to recruit them first if he/she is building an army to fight the Reapers. Especially if Liara has connections - though get the feeling her info network is not that big outside of Ilium.

/shrug  I wouldn't be terribly shocked at this point if they didn't.  Throw around a few off screen deaths, insert some new cameos, create a few new characters, a couple of shoddy excuses to keep folks out of the story and viola all new romances.  "These new romances are really compelling we thinkg you are going to really like them". <_<

It worked for them once, why not?

Right.  They can and will come up with whatever excuse they want in order to force a specific end result.  Consider Dragon Age: Awakenings.  You play the same character as in Origins, but none of your companions (save Ohgrin, who as far as I'm concerned has very little reason to stay with you) comes along with you even though some of them have no reason not to.  This includes your loyal dog, who is bred to be bonded with you for life.

If they can come up with reasons that your dog doesn't travel with you, they can come up with reasons for anyone.

[Yeled]

MassEffect762 wrote...

And here I thought I was a Liara Fan, jlb524 and Nozybidaj you guys/gals are hardcore Liara fans.

*Respectful bow*

Yeah, they (and some others on this thread) put me to shame as well.

[ratzerman]

vigna wrote...

Well, they need to add the cuddling and lap sitting scenes for Liara and Ash/Kaidan as well.

Heck yes, they do!  I can't watch any of those darn cuddling videos on youtube.

It's so not fair........

[Leather_Rebel90]

bjdbwea wrote...

A DLC featuring all three ME 1 LIs, with proper continuation of the romances? Now that would be THE thing. But again, it will not happen. This is not how DLC works with BioWare/EA. As a real expansion? More likely, but one word: Awakening.

BioWare's version of DLC is little bits cut out of the original game.

And I agree, Awakening sounds horrible and as in-depth as a puddle.

I just really hope that BioWare doesn't ruin ME2 with a horrible expansion that offers no romances.

[Leather_Rebel90]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Speaking of progressive storytelling, I'm curious to see how they handle romances in ME3. They've basically written themselves into a place where they HAVE to deal with it. Imagine Shepard romances Jack in ME2 and had no ME1 romance. There's absolutely no way Jack is leaving the only person who she's ever cared about. If she's alive, she probably never leaves Shepard's side.

You can make a similar argument for Miranda if she is the love interest and you blow up the base. She has nowhere else to go. Tali would probably stay as well, though you may be able to argue she should become an admiral in the quarian fleet.

For female Shepards, the same is true for Garrus and Jacob. Thane is dying, so it's understandable he'd want to see his son.

As for staying true to your ME1 LIs, I'd think Shepard would want to recruit them first if he/she is building an army to fight the Reapers. Especially if Liara has connections - though get the feeling her info network is not that big outside of Ilium.

/shrug  I wouldn't be terribly shocked at this point if they didn't.  Throw around a few off screen deaths, insert some new cameos, create a few new characters, a couple of shoddy excuses to keep folks out of the story and viola all new romances.  "These new romances are really compelling we thinkg you are going to really like them". <_<

It worked for them once, why not?

^ This... The writers at BioWare have really lost my respect with Dragon Age & Mass Effect 2. ME2 was far superior to DAO, but building the plot soully around recruitment, and then forgetting to add the LI's from ME1.... Well that was very dumb.... And a very big let down.

[Unato]

heh Awakening isn't even out and you're judging it? It's a bit early to say it sucks when no one has actually played the game, granted I remain skeptical since it's prob the first Xpack Bioware has pushed out in a while and the fact the last camo of your LI ( ie ME2 ) sucked more then ever. who knows I might be pleasantly surprised that the DA:O team handled LI better

[Nozybidaj]

Leather_Rebel90 wrote...

^ This... The writers at BioWare have really lost my respect with Dragon Age & Mass Effect 2. ME2 was far superior to DAO, but building the plot soully around recruitment, and then forgetting to add the LI's from ME1.... Well that was very dumb.... And a very big let down.

I feel much the same way.  I liked DA:O and certainly thought it was better than ME2 but with some of the things they are doing in Awakenings and what they did with ME2 that "shine" I used to see on them for their story telling prowess and their appreciation of the fans has dwindled considerably.  I'll hold out till we see what ME2 expansions are going to hold, if they can't bring themselves to start making some better decisions, I'll, I dunno, stick to JRPG's or something for now on.

[Nozybidaj]

Unato wrote...

heh Awakening isn't even out and you're judging it? It's a bit early to say it sucks when no one has actually played the game, granted I remain skeptical since it's prob the first Xpack Bioware has pushed out in a while and the fact the last camo of your LI ( ie ME2 ) sucked more then ever. who knows I might be pleasantly surprised that the DA:O team handled LI better

Uh, you are in for a bad surprise.

[Unato]

rofl if nothing I'll kill more darkspawn and that's it =p



i can always go back to my visual novels if I want more story and less action

[mrbeavis19]

General Stubbs wrote...

I agree, with all the squadmates in ME2, BioWare pretty much screwed themselves for bringing any of them back for any major roles ME3 in my opinion. Unless ME3 is going to be twice the size of ME2, there are way too many variables for ME3.
I would even be hard pressed to think any of those people who had ME2 romances to have them back in ME3 (what are there, six romances?) there would have to a lot of individual dialogue for each character, it would take up memory in the disks.
Even the math doesn't make any sense, you have 11 squadmates, anyone one of them could have died, anyone of them could have survived, they all could have died, or they all could have lived, what are they all going to be doing in ME3? Besides a cameo.
There is just way too much information to fit onto a disk unless BioWare really wants to and makes ME3 longer.
It is unfortunate, some of them are interesting (not you Jacob, sorry Jacob fans, I love to take a shot at him, lol) but it might very well turn out to be true.

I am honestly at a loss for ME3, what can BioWare even do after the ME2 storyline?
Depending on who died, if TIM got the base amongst other choices should change ME3 completely. BioWare may have dug themselves into a hole trying to do the over the top style of ME2. There are many decisions that would change the fate of the galaxy in ME3 during the Reaper invasion.

I don't know, maybe BioWare is going to make ME3 a 100 hours, it is the only choice they have after ME2.
Otherwise they would have to do some sort of ending where there are only two real endings but they barely change depending on what you did. Kind of like pre-DLC Fallout 3.

Maybe Mac is actually a genius and he can bring it around or Drew will come back.
At this point, I am strongly hoping it wasn't his decision for the way ME2 turned out.
If someone higher up in the company wanted a "dark" storyline, who is he to say no? Might be wishful thinking on my part.
There are still ways to bring the ME2 storyline around in time for ME3, it just depends on if everyone at BioWare wants to do their best and have ME3 be what it truly should be.

It isn't that hard to address some of the major concerns with ME2 (Liara reunion and such), they could even greatly expand the ME2 storyline with a gigantic Liara expansion. They could turn the expansion into a compelling storyline set after ME2, I mean the Reapers are coming, the SB is apparently involved, Liara is involved, Cerberus is involved, and the Alliance is in there somewhere. The writers should be able to come up with something great if someone told them to do it.
Hell, I can only write well for academic/science papers and I could probably come up with something using those ideas.

Funnily enough, BioWare could address all of the ME1 LI concerns, create a better ME2 storyline, give us Liara back (the best part ), and more with one expansion about Liara.

I think they'll probably have to come up with another drastic way to "clean the slate" so to speak (i.e. killing Shep at the beginning of ME2). They'll have some dramatic cinematic or something. Maybe a botched mission? And then you have to go and put the old team back together? That OR maybe since you're up against the Reaper fleet, there will be a lot more diplomatic stuff where you have to go around and unite all the different races and factions and make temporary peace between the Terminus systems and Citadel space? Either way Liara has to come back or I won't buy it 

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

And here I thought I was a Liara Fan, jlb524 and Nozybidaj you guys/gals are hardcore Liara fans.

*Respectful bow*

Yeah, they (and some others on this thread) put me to shame as well.

Its okay, Liara loves all of her fans equally.  Except for you dirty cheaters.  You get the evil eye treatment.



Then a sad face to make you feel bad.



Off topic:  Anyone else get the feeling Shep is going to look like this at the end of ME3?

[Nozybidaj]

mrbeavis19 wrote...
I think they'll probably have to come up with another drastic way to "clean the slate" so to speak (i.e. killing Shep at the beginning of ME2). They'll have some dramatic cinematic or something. Maybe a botched mission? And then you have to go and put the old team back together? That OR maybe since you're up against the Reaper fleet, there will be a lot more diplomatic stuff where you have to go around and unite all the different races and factions and make temporary peace between the Terminus systems and Citadel space? Either way Liara has to come back or I won't buy it 

I dunno, I don't think it needs to be drastic.

Zaeed/Kasumi:  Back to being a merc/thief
Thane and Jack: Dead
Samara: Back to Justicar'ing  Morinth: Back to whatever it is she does
Miranda:  Running Cerberus or doing TIM's bidding depending on how you ended ME2
Jacob:  Either back to working for Cerberus or if you blew up base he gets shanked in a bar on Omega after "gettting loud and spilling his drinks"
Mordin:  Busy curing genophage
Grunt:  Busy repopulating the Krogans
Tali:  Promoted to a high ranking position in the Flotilla
Legion: Returns to geth
Ash/Kaidan: Still serving Alliance, too busy to help
Liara:  The new Shadow Broker
Wrex:  Leading Krogan

Garrus is really the only one I can't think of a good reason for him not to be around.