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[bjdbwea]

Someone said that in the Ashley and Kaidan threads, there's usually a more cheerful mood. Now I know why.

I just saw for the first time the meeting with Ashley as LI on Horizon. It's better than I expected. The hug, her words, the discussion with Joker... Plus the email from her (that I've yet to see). And there's certainly the picture scene at the end too, isn't it.

Of course she should still have played a larger role, preferably as part of the team. And Ashley certainly does not react very realistic, her explanation for leaving is simply too far-fetched. Yet that all is more or less what I had expected as the minimum for a ("rocky") continuation of the ME 1 romances.

Liara really was completely screwed up, much more than anyone else. Yes, the writers should be ashamed of themselves. Or whoever forced them to do what they did.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 mars 2010 - 05:23 .

[vigna]

well, Kaidan is at least nicer to femshep than ash is to male shep. I also discovered another fault with ME2. When you get to the end of a mission they don't give you an opportunity to look around...it is normally just end mission and a cutscene. I know I missed plenty of booty so far.



That doesn't even count the booty I really miss.........

[screwoffreg]

Kaiden is very mature, even in ME 1 when you have a conflicting romance with Liara. Ashley is kind of a jerk, and I could see her going to blows without a second thought.

[Collider]

Here are several romance polls. Would like to the hear the feedback of the members of the character threads.
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2913/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/1975/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2681/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2679/

[Unato]

Collider wrote...

Here are several romance polls. Would like to the hear the feedback of the members of the character threads.
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2913/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/1975/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2681/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2679/

it's like doing some horrible multiple choice Quiz at the end of class!

lol... interesting polls you have

[WilliamShatner]

Unato wrote...

heh Awakening isn't even out and you're judging it? It's a bit early to say it sucks when no one has actually played the game, granted I remain skeptical since it's prob the first Xpack Bioware has pushed out in a while and the fact the last camo of your LI ( ie ME2 ) sucked more then ever. who knows I might be pleasantly surprised that the DA:O team handled LI better

It's dire times when "chucking them out completely" is better than what was served to us in ME2.

[screwoffreg]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Unato wrote...

heh Awakening isn't even out and you're judging it? It's a bit early to say it sucks when no one has actually played the game, granted I remain skeptical since it's prob the first Xpack Bioware has pushed out in a while and the fact the last camo of your LI ( ie ME2 ) sucked more then ever. who knows I might be pleasantly surprised that the DA:O team handled LI better

It's dire times when "chucking them out completely" is better than what was served to us in ME2.

Dragon Age will at least have to have some closure for your PC and their LI as there are indications the game was not meant to be like ME, or a series that follows one character.  The sequel might be YEARS after your DA 1 character's actions.

With that said, I have some faith Bioware can wrap things up well.  Sure, the days of BG II are long behind us, but that spark and attention to detail is still there somewhere..

[Srslydude01]

Liara is capable of being the new shadow broker, but does she want to be? Shepard could change the way she thinks about that sort of thing like a renegade/paragon decision. Where renegade is yes and paragon is no, of course. This gives the people that don't romance Liara an affect on her life and for the people that did, a blossoming relationship while she is the new Shadow Broker or not. Basically if your Renegade, you harden Liara and if your are Paragon, you soften her. That could work, although I am prob not the first to say this.

[bjdbwea]

screwoffreg wrote...

Sure, the days of BG II are long behind us, but that spark and attention to detail is still there somewhere..

But you have to look quite hard. At Mordin, for example. I'm always surprised how detailed his character is in comparison to everyone else. Almost as if he's jumped out of the game that ME 2 should have been, and right into the game that ME 2 has become. I think he has been done quite early during development, or by someone else.

[mrbeavis19]

HEY! Talimancers are owning our asses on this 2nd poll! Get on it now! lol

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=3

Modifié par mrbeavis19, 07 mars 2010 - 06:51 .

[Unato]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

HEY! Talimancers are owning our asses on this 2nd poll! Get on it now! lol

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=3

there's like a billion polls there Oo

heh didn't they say that Awakening will have camo from your DA:O team memebers? but yea in general DA:O has at least some closure via the txt based eplogue while ME2 has nothing and we're all left here waiting for ME3 and wondering if BW will deliever

[Srslydude01]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

HEY! Talimancers are owning our asses on this 2nd poll! Get on it now! lol

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=3

There is a bazillion of them! Omgz!

[Blameless77]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara will not become "the new Shadow Broker" or anything. Once the Shadow Broker is taken care off, she has absolutely no reason to continue in the information field. She even says herself that she wishes she could come with Shepard in ME2.

So, once the SB has been taken care off, she is so out of there and back into Shepard's arms!

Please let this be true.

[Jax Sparrow]

Maybe she likes being an information broker and yet I can easily see her doing that on the Normandy and that EDI could help a great deal... and be hell of a lot more trust worthy than that Asari SB secretary she hired.



Really though, people are really overreacting about her roll in ME2. The Devs said a long time ago the only reason for this was to prevent having to deal with a character getting them 'killed' in the suicide mission. As a story teller the only reason you do this is because the character in question is fundamental to the plot in ME3. Hopefully one or two people read this and can calm down and take a step back from hyperventilating.



However hopefully a Liara DLC/expansion will be released soon™.

[bjdbwea]

Ah yes, "story reasons"... we have dismissed that claim.

[Mike4PA]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

Maybe she likes being an information broker and yet I can easily see her doing that on the Normandy and that EDI could help a great deal... and be hell of a lot more trust worthy than that Asari SB secretary she hired.

Really though, people are really overreacting about her roll in ME2. The Devs said a long time ago the only reason for this was to prevent having to deal with a character getting them 'killed' in the suicide mission. As a story teller the only reason you do this is because the character in question is fundamental to the plot in ME3. Hopefully one or two people read this and can calm down and take a step back from hyperventilating.

However hopefully a Liara DLC/expansion will be released soon™.

I imagine (or pray) that they already have the DLC/expansion in the works or already done by now and are just waiting for the darkhorse comics to finish coming out.
Also, yes. Bioware has said that she will play a big part in ME3, but we will have to wait to see what kind of roll...

[Nastrod]

I do not know if this has been posted on here but I saw this interview from Jan in another thread. Casey saying the reason the ME1 LIs could not be squad members is so that they could not be killed on the suicide mission. So more proof that Liara will be in ME3 and will be important.. He mentions it around the 2:00 mark

http://www.gamezone...._10_08_48AM.htm

Modifié par Nastrod, 07 mars 2010 - 08:47 .

[Noxis6]

I just dont think her new job will be of any help fighting the reaper invasion,when they arrive they wont sneak around or plan their attacks in some nightclub were her sources could listen in on them,nor can you infiltrate the reaper fleet to spy on them.

Besides there are bigger players in the galaxy that will aid shepard,regardless what you did in ME2 TIM will still want humanity to survive so he will aid you and I imagine him having far better connections and should the Shadow Broker still be alive,well he might be amoral but hes not an idiot,so even he will see the reapers hurt his profits and will aid shepard.

And if the council didnt get really braindead in ME3 their ressources will dwarf anything Liara could muster,so as I said I just dont see hidding behind a desk as an option for her.

[JaylaClark]

Nastrod wrote...

I do not know if this has been posted on here but I saw this interview from Jan in another thread. Casey saying the reason the ME1 LIs could not be squad members is so that they could not be killed on the suicide mission. So more proof that Liara will be in ME3 and will be important.. He mentions it around the 2:00 mark

http://www.gamezone...._10_08_48AM.htm

Well, this I knew already, and it makes me feel like there's a lot of priority being placed on the LI's from the first game in general.  They just kind of screwed up, in my personal opinion, their role in this one.

Ash and Kaidan show so little trust in Shepard in their single scene that I'm tempted to call it OOC of them.  They hear the word Cerberus and BAM, that's it, Shep is a traitor to the uniform who doesn't deserve the time of day.  Crap, if Anderson is so easy to persuade -- as well as two-thirds of the old Council at least; I'm almost expecting that the turian councilor probably quietly voted against reinstating Shep in my playthrough -- why shouldn't someone who's bled alongside you?

And Liara, I've got to admit I'm not as pessimistic as a few people in this thread about her words.  The 'coffee cup' line doesn't strike me as rage, it strikes me as covering for 'hurt' somehow.  And the 'with my mind' one -- would you believe I've chosen to believe that that was said once by my Shep as a joke?  (That's my fic's explanation, which will be posted once I send it to seventeen friends of mine, get laughed at no more than three times, and thus finally grow the quad needed to post it in public.  )  It sounds stupid when you read it -- the line, not the fic (I hope) -- but give it just the right inflection, like Ali Hillis did, and it becomes a deadly threat.  Still, this isn't a woman used to making threats against body and mind, and like I've continued to believe all throughout the discussion, this is the shell that the real Liara is hiding in, not the real her at all.

No, I actually believe it's possible to get Liara to where we see her.  I just really hate how -- geez, I mean, I just finally played Tali's loyalty mission, and the two things I got out of it were a) yeah, Jen Hale was a little histrionic in the Paragon summation -- I blame the director; and damnit, I know there's a difference between your crew member finding the corpse of her father and your former/current(?) love feeling afraid you'd hate her for what she's done.... but if I have the option to give a hug in one, I should have the option to give a hug for the other. 
(I mean, I'd much rather hold her forever and kiss the hurt away, but just hugging my blueberry would be fine, thank you very much.  And I'm sure that if they add some emotional depth in the DLC, I'll be satisfied even if they don't try and add anything to that scene.  But it's either one, the other, or both.  If it's just quests added on, then my Shepard will flay Casey Hudson alive.  With her mind. <_<)

[JPfanner]

JaylaClark wrote...

Nastrod wrote...

I do not know if this has been posted on here but I saw this interview from Jan in another thread. Casey saying the reason the ME1 LIs could not be squad members is so that they could not be killed on the suicide mission. So more proof that Liara will be in ME3 and will be important.. He mentions it around the 2:00 mark

http://www.gamezone...._10_08_48AM.htm

Well, this I knew already, and it makes me feel like there's a lot of priority being placed on the LI's from the first game in general.  They just kind of screwed up, in my personal opinion, their role in this one.

Ash and Kaidan show so little trust in Shepard in their single scene that I'm tempted to call it OOC of them.  They hear the word Cerberus and BAM, that's it, Shep is a traitor to the uniform who doesn't deserve the time of day.  Crap, if Anderson is so easy to persuade -- as well as two-thirds of the old Council at least; I'm almost expecting that the turian councilor probably quietly voted against reinstating Shep in my playthrough -- why shouldn't someone who's bled alongside you?

And Liara, I've got to admit I'm not as pessimistic as a few people in this thread about her words.  The 'coffee cup' line doesn't strike me as rage, it strikes me as covering for 'hurt' somehow.  And the 'with my mind' one -- would you believe I've chosen to believe that that was said once by my Shep as a joke?  (That's my fic's explanation, which will be posted once I send it to seventeen friends of mine, get laughed at no more than three times, and thus finally grow the quad needed to post it in public.  )  It sounds stupid when you read it -- the line, not the fic (I hope) -- but give it just the right inflection, like Ali Hillis did, and it becomes a deadly threat.  Still, this isn't a woman used to making threats against body and mind, and like I've continued to believe all throughout the discussion, this is the shell that the real Liara is hiding in, not the real her at all.

No, I actually believe it's possible to get Liara to where we see her.  I just really hate how -- geez, I mean, I just finally played Tali's loyalty mission, and the two things I got out of it were a) yeah, Jen Hale was a little histrionic in the Paragon summation -- I blame the director; and damnit, I know there's a difference between your crew member finding the corpse of her father and your former/current(?) love feeling afraid you'd hate her for what she's done.... but if I have the option to give a hug in one, I should have the option to give a hug for the other. 
(I mean, I'd much rather hold her forever and kiss the hurt away, but just hugging my blueberry would be fine, thank you very much.  And I'm sure that if they add some emotional depth in the DLC, I'll be satisfied even if they don't try and add anything to that scene.  But it's either one, the other, or both.  If it's just quests added on, then my Shepard will flay Casey Hudson alive.  With her mind. <_<)

Yeah, I think most people already knew Liara, Ashley, and Kaiden weren't going to be available as squadmates.  And I think people could probably even accept them not being available as pez dispenser sex scene clickies.  It's just what is in the game for them just plain blows.  Half of it is written poorly and the other half just isn't freaking there.  You might as well wear a ball gag and get down on all fours on Horizon, because Ashley/Kaiden are just going to lay into you and it doesn't matter what you say.  Then they stroll off and Shepard just stands there.  Liara finally tells you what happened with your body (assuming you navigate the broken dialog and get lucky) and Shepard just sits there like some medicated toad.
I still think most of that show of anger is just sublimated feelings over what happened to Shepard and the wait Liara has had to put up with during the last two years.  She can't DO anything about the issues involving Shepard personally until Shepard comes back, but she CAN go after the Shadow Broker.  The problem with the Liara scene is that neither Shepard or Liara are given any means to even bring up those issues, let alone start working on a resolution.

[Marcin K]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...
I am proud to love Liara. <3:wub:

Heck yes.

strong second:wub: