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It sounds like all asari are aware of ADY and that's a big reason for the stigma against purebloods. The odds are so astronomical that I don't think it would be more than a niggling fear right now. She's a century or two away from having children. I'm not even sure she can have children right now or within Shep's lifetime.


Yeah, I realised you were talking about Liara being a mere carrier and corrected myself, jtav. Sorry!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Liara knew about the Ardat-Yakshi, why wouldn't she have brought it up when talking about the discrimination and bigotry purebloods face in ME1? I know the condition obviously hadn't been conceived yet by the writers, but you have to work it into Liara's character. She would have told Shepard about them if she knew, I think.

As it stands, she believes purebloods are discriminated against b/c she thinks that the asari feel that they do not gain anything on a genetic level from reproducing with another asari.


Most people don't bring up their potential genetic shortcomings when starting to woo a new partner :P

'Hey Shepard, I like you.  By the way, if we ever have kids together, they could become crazy serial killers.'

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jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Liara knew about the Ardat-Yakshi, why wouldn't she have brought it up when talking about the discrimination and bigotry purebloods face in ME1? I know the condition obviously hadn't been conceived yet by the writers, but you have to work it into Liara's character. She would have told Shepard about them if she knew, I think.

As it stands, she believes purebloods are discriminated against b/c she thinks that the asari feel that they do not gain anything on a genetic level from reproducing with another asari.


Most people don't bring up their potential genetic shortcomings when starting to woo a new partner :P

'Hey Shepard, I like you.  By the way, if we ever have kids together, they could become crazy space vampires.'


Fixed for you :wizard:

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Maybe she is scared that Shepard would not like her if he found out about that?


Liara is always very honest and forthright. She isn't secretive or deceptive like that. I think she would have told Shepard, and then seen as to whether Shep would have trusted her enough to continue the romance.

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I don't recall Samara saying anything about her partner(s).



And I "play both sides" *whimpers plaintively*

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jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Liara knew about the Ardat-Yakshi, why wouldn't she have brought it up when talking about the discrimination and bigotry purebloods face in ME1? I know the condition obviously hadn't been conceived yet by the writers, but you have to work it into Liara's character. She would have told Shepard about them if she knew, I think.

As it stands, she believes purebloods are discriminated against b/c she thinks that the asari feel that they do not gain anything on a genetic level from reproducing with another asari.


Most people don't bring up their potential genetic shortcomings when starting to woo a new partner :P

'Hey Shepard, I like you.  By the way, if we ever have kids together, they could become crazy serial killers.'


Yeah, but that won't happen because it's a Asari/Asari thing. not a Asari/human thing. Anyways, it's just a condition they don't want to talk about.

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jtav wrote...

I don't recall Samara saying anything about her partner(s).

And I "play both sides" *whimpers plaintively*


Samara says she was a pureblood and so where her partners, she does not outright say it however. In fact Samara never says things outright.

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I had the impression that Ardat-Yakshi were extremely rare.

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Chud! Haha!



Good one. *chuckles to himself*.

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I had the impression that Ardat-Yakshi were extremely rare.


They are and only happen between a pureblood-pureblood meld.

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Then there appears to be little to no risk of that in a Liara-Shepard relationship.

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jlb524 wrote...

Most people don't bring up their potential genetic shortcomings when starting to woo a new partner :P

'Hey Shepard, I like you.  By the way, if we ever have kids together, they could become crazy serial killers.'


Don't give me playful snark! :P

Liara would have informed Shepard about the Ardat-Yakshi b/c, like I said, she's always very honest and forthright. She's not secretive or deceptive like that. These are traits that make up a large part of her personality.

She wouldn't have willingly entered into a relationship if she thought it could eventually cause harm, and not tell Shepard about it.

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I looked it up on the wiki. Here's what they say:



It is suspected that this condition is what lies at the root of the asari prejudice against purebloods. Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods.




So, it's possible but not likely.

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jlb524 wrote...

'Hey Shepard, I like you.  By the way, if we ever have kids together, they could become crazy serial killers.'


<kenspeak> Aye, but raised right, they can be mighty cute crazy serial killers. </kenspeak>

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Remember when people were intially trying to rationalise Liara's "character change" in ME2 with her becoming an Ardat-Yakshi?



Ughhhhhh.

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kraidy1117 wrote...


Samara says she was a pureblood and so where her partners, she does not outright say it however. In fact Samara never says things outright.


So, she just hints at it then? 

I really need to go grab her and replay these dialogs..

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Don't give me playful snark! :P

Liara would have informed Shepard about the Ardat-Yakshi b/c, like I said, she's always very honest and forthright. She's not secretive or deceptive like that. These are traits that make up a large part of her personality.

She wouldn't have willingly entered into a relationship if she thought it could eventually cause harm, and not tell Shepard about it.


I know, but not even the most honest person is going to drop that bomb so early in the relationship.    It would be kind of awkward as Liara doesn't even know if Shepard would ever want children with her.

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Yep...and Liara thought that the asari prejudice against purebloods was b/c they think that the species as a whole does not gain anything from reproducing with fellow asari. They like to increase the size and variation of the asari gene pool.



I don't think Liara is actually aware of the AY in ME1.

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jtav wrote...

I looked it up on the wiki. Here's what they say:

It is suspected that this condition is what lies at the root of the asari prejudice against purebloods. Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods.


So, it's possible but not likely.


Reading this, it just seems purebloods have an increased chance of birthing them, regardless of the other species (this is not mentioned).

This is just the Wiki, however.

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jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


Samara says she was a pureblood and so where her partners, she does not outright say it however. In fact Samara never says things outright.


So, she just hints at it then? 

I really need to go grab her and replay these dialogs..


That's Samara for you, she never says anythingo ut right, big reason why I found her one of the most complex characters Bioware has made.

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jlb524 wrote...

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Don't give me playful snark! :P

Liara would have informed Shepard about the Ardat-Yakshi b/c, like I said, she's always very honest and forthright. She's not secretive or deceptive like that. These are traits that make up a large part of her personality.

She wouldn't have willingly entered into a relationship if she thought it could eventually cause harm, and not tell Shepard about it.


I know, but not even the most honest person is going to drop that bomb so early in the relationship.    It would be kind of awkward as Liara doesn't even know if Shepard would ever want children with her.


Guys and Ladies or both, it's only possible if Shepard was an Asari. He/she's not an Asari. Why say anything?

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The Ardat-Yakshi thing confuses me as we have gone over awhile ago in the thread. Unless they evolved to a point that would make them highly acute to pureblood-ness. Er. Something like that.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Remember when people were intially trying to rationalise Liara's "character change" in ME2 with her becoming an Ardat-Yakshi?

Ughhhhhh.


Wait, what?

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Ardat-Yakshi thing confuses me as we have gone over awhile ago in the thread. Unless they evolved to a point that would make them highly acute to pureblood-ness. Er. Something like that.


A wizard did it. :wizard:

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I know, but not even the most honest person is going to drop that bomb so early in the relationship.    It would be kind of awkward as Liara doesn't even know if Shepard would ever want children with her.


I know that children are never once on either of Liara or Shepard's minds in ME1, but would have Liara then even entered a relationship with Shepard if she was genuinely worried about the AY? Would she have decided to run that risk?