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IIIRC E3 conference starts in 10 minute by the way - that may or may not be where we learn about new Bioware stuff.


Best time to do it. Let's just hope EA's is better then M$ confernce :mellow:


Heeey, but it featured tiger Scittles![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] So much fun

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Hey.......J is my girlfriend!


I have many girlfriends and boyfriends.

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Hey.......J is my girlfriend!


SHE IS MINE!!! *runs away with jib*

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Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

IIIRC E3 conference starts in 10 minute by the way - that may or may not be where we learn about new Bioware stuff.


Best time to do it. Let's just hope EA's is better then M$ confernce :mellow:

The Microsoft Conference was really disappointing. I like the whole Kinect thing but there was too much focus on it in the conference. The conference was pretty boring as a result, there wasn't enough for more "hardcore" gamers. Hopefully the Nintendo conference will be different.


Zelda! :wizard:

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1) Maybe it's because she realized that the person she beat the living **** out of, threaten to kill, and whined and whined about "You're a traitor! I trusted you! You used me! I want to kill you! Why don't you have an extra seat!? Blah, blah, blah" never once hit her back, or back stabbed her, or ditched her, or complained to her. He instead said he was sorry she could never trust him, and sacrificed himself. Some friend SHE was.


None of that means that she likes him or considers him a friend. That's just self loathing and guilt over her own actions.

2) Well, it's never outline that she loves Shepard either, so right back at ya. It's not detailed because it's subtle.


That's funny, I thought it was made pretty clear that Shepard and Liara love each other in ME1. Ho hum.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

True, but Liara then again expresses mistrust when the pair of them are taking cover and hiding, watching the Shadow Broker's goons hand Shepard's corpse over to that Collector. The emnity is still there. Plus, I don't actually believe that one panel can actually constitute any friendship chemistry. It just seems to be an attempt to illustrate Liara's compassion, and to encourage Feron to see the job through and assist her in recovering Shepard's corpse, as they're so close.


No, I used that example to show how poorly scripted it was, and how the end felt rushed.  My point was that I believe they did try to show friendship, but just didn't do a very good job of it.  Goes back to the 'poorly scripted' claim you have made in the past.

Regarding what Liara says in ME2, think back to how Anderson speaks of the events of Ascension in ME1. Suitably vague, and not really elaborating on the story told in the novel. That's what is at work here, IMO. Liara uses the term "friend" out of convenience, and to leave references to the story as vague as possible. That's why they had Liara use the term "friend". To be as vague as possible.


Perhaps it depends on how you define 'friend'....how are you defining it?

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Some Shepards love her, some Shepards are good friends with her and some Shepards hate her, those Shepards should be killed.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That's funny, I thought it was made pretty clear that Shepard and Liara love each other in ME1. Ho hum.


Not necessarily...the comic was 'romance neutral', remember?

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Some Shepards love her, some Shepards are good friends with her and some Shepards hate her, those Shepards should be killed.


This.

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Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

IIIRC E3 conference starts in 10 minute by the way - that may or may not be where we learn about new Bioware stuff.


Best time to do it. Let's just hope EA's is better then M$ confernce :mellow:

The Microsoft Conference was really disappointing. I like the whole Kinect thing but there was too much focus on it in the conference. The conference was pretty boring as a result, there wasn't enough for more "hardcore" gamers. Hopefully the Nintendo conference will be different.


There was nothing new announced either, except the new Xbox 360 slim, and the stuff for Kinect. Metal Gear Rising was cool though, but that's not an exclusive.

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E3 conference is about to begin. You can watch it here:


Alternative link:
http://e3.gamespot.c...nference/ea-e3/

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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1) Maybe it's because she realized that the person she beat the living **** out of, threaten to kill, and whined and whined about "You're a traitor! I trusted you! You used me! I want to kill you! Why don't you have an extra seat!? Blah, blah, blah" never once hit her back, or back stabbed her, or ditched her, or complained to her. He instead said he was sorry she could never trust him, and sacrificed himself. Some friend SHE was.


None of that means that she likes him or considers him a friend. That's just self loathing and guilt over her own actions.

2) Well, it's never outline that she loves Shepard either, so right back at ya. It's not detailed because it's subtle.


That's funny, I thought it was made pretty clear that Shepard and Liara love each other in ME1. Ho hum.


Not in the comic. :P

Also, she calls him a friend at the end of the comic itself. And I bet 5 dollars if Faron's alive, she's going to hug him.

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ryn, are you on your phone or home?

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No, I used that example to show how poorly scripted it was, and how the end felt rushed.  My point was that I believe they did try to show friendship, but just didn't do a very good job of it.  Goes back to the 'poorly scripted' claim you have made in the past.


Which I don't believe was their intention, and that it literally was just a show of Liara's compassion. Especially as Liara then immediately shows mistrust of him again after that specific scene. Like I said, the emnity is still very much there, and it's undertone is very much maintained. The fact that the comic is poorly scripted can't be disputed, however.


Perhaps it depends on how you define 'friend'....how are you defining it?


A business partner, something like that.

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Collider wrote...

E3 conference is about to begin. You can watch it here:


Awesome, except I'm about to leave from work and will miss it.

I'll be back for the aftermath, and to continue the Feron debate with LET :D

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J.......you're mine right?

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ryn, are you on your phone or home?


I'm at home.

????

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rynluna wrote...

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ryn, are you on your phone or home?


I'm at home.

????

IM me...

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Which I don't believe was their intention, and that it literally was just a show of Liara's compassion. Especially as Liara then immediately shows mistrust of him again after that specific scene. Like I said, the emnity is still very much there, and it's undertone is very much maintained. The fact that the comic is poorly scripted can't be disputed, however.


So, do you prefer the alternative interpretation...that Liara doesn't feel for Feron as a person at all, and is only going to great lengths to rescue him for her own selfish reasons?  I think you can still care for someone as a friend even if you do not trust them 100%.


A business partner, something like that.


A friend is like a business partner?

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Not necessarily...the comic was 'romance neutral', remember?


Yeah, but I mean in the entirety of the ME series and canon itself. Liara's love for Shepard, should you choose to pursue it, is clearly defined in ME1. This supposed friendship with Feron is not. That's my point!

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J.......you're mine right?


Of course, but I do have many friends of varying gender.

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Also, she calls him a friend at the end of the comic itself. And I bet 5 dollars if Faron's alive, she's going to hug him.


Of course, I don't think that's even up for debate! I'm fully expecting that. :P

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jlb524 wrote...

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Liara was Farons girlfriend. She was a friend who is a girl, just like Jib is my girlfriend.


We is girlfriends!



J can you be my girlfriend too?!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


Yeah, but I mean in the entirety of the ME series and canon itself. Liara's love for Shepard, should you choose to pursue it, is clearly defined in ME1. This supposed friendship with Feron is not. That's my point!


I don't think Liara necessarily 'romantically' loves Shepard in ME1 (if that's what you meant)...a Shepard who romances her, yes, but not one who doesn't not, and especially not one who is a jerk to her.

You've also said that 'Redemption is poorly scripted crap and we should take the games as canon'.  Going by ME2, it seems Liara cares for Feron, and it's more than him just being a representation of her guilt and failure.

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ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Liara was Farons girlfriend. She was a friend who is a girl, just like Jib is my girlfriend.


We is girlfriends!



J can you be my girlfriend too?!


We already is girlfriends!