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[Nynaeve]

Nozybidaj wrote...

frij wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What people tend to forget is that in ME3, from the squads of both games so far, we are guaranteed to have Liara and a surviving Alliance soldier. To me, that suggests that Liara and either Ash/Kaidan will have the greatest role to play storywise, will be squadmates and will be the romances that they spend the most time developing in ME3. To me, that makes me feel very optimistic for Liara's future.

I feel the same, there's still one helluva lot of story to be told and I'm feeling really optimistic myself. Hell yeah I'm pissed of at the way Liara was handled in ME2, but I think things can only look up from here. Its only been a month or so since release, we just need to give it some time
Chin up Liara fans!

Oh, so just wait two years again and we'll get back to the story?  Yeah that fills me with warm fuzzies. <_<

yeah well, ask me if I still feel the same in a couple of months...the wait might start eating away at the nerves, I still think we have a lot to look forward to

[IndigoWolfe]

Nozybidaj wrote...

frij wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What people tend to forget is that in ME3, from the squads of both games so far, we are guaranteed to have Liara and a surviving Alliance soldier. To me, that suggests that Liara and either Ash/Kaidan will have the greatest role to play storywise, will be squadmates and will be the romances that they spend the most time developing in ME3. To me, that makes me feel very optimistic for Liara's future.

I feel the same, there's still one helluva lot of story to be told and I'm feeling really optimistic myself. Hell yeah I'm pissed of at the way Liara was handled in ME2, but I think things can only look up from here. Its only been a month or so since release, we just need to give it some time
Chin up Liara fans!

Oh, so just wait two years again and we'll get back to the story?  Yeah that fills me with warm fuzzies. <_<

From what I've heard, Bioware are shooting for a Mass Effect 3 release sometime next year. Frankly this has me rather worried.

[Sharn01]

bjdbwea wrote...

That calculation is too simple. First, by trashing characters, you save development time and thereby money. Second, by diverting resources and focus from character development to combat, you increase sales to an undemanding shooter audience. That's why the term "acceptable losses" is correct.

But whatever floats their boat. Awakenings could be the first BioWare game ever that I never purchase (not because of the ME 2 fiasco, but because I don't like what I hear about the expansion). I still hope that there are enough people who will act accordingly, as that's the only chance to push the development in another direction (or to push EA into closing BioWare, which I don't doubt will happen to them too should at one point the sales number continue to not meet the expectations - but while I definitely would not be happy about it, they would have brought it all on themselves).

Awakening's is going to be one of the first Bioware games I do not buy in a very long time.

[IndigoWolfe]

I was thinking again. Someone else has probably brought this up already considering how long this thread is, but all the squad members got a theme in Mass 2, right? Should Liara return in Mass 3 --which is the way the wind is blowing-- it would stand to reason that she would get a theme. What I would like to see is it heavily featuring either the oboe or whatever asian instrument that was in Spock Prime's theme in Star Trek 2009.

What I would like to see even more is for the romance theme to incorporate elements of whatever theme Liara might have. I think that in and of itself would add a nice new dimension to the romance.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ME3 being released next year isn't necessarily a bad thing. It seems now, in BioWare's eyes, they've perfected the combat that seemed to be the focus of alot of ME2's development. Therefore, you would think that BW will focus on story and character development for ME3, therefore giving us some deeply satisfying Liara content and a awesome and beautiful end to the romance.

Plus, didn't ME3's development begin before ME2 was released? I swear I read that Casey said that in an interview.

True, if they don't have to worry about tweaking the combat mechanics and updating the graphics engine, that would definitely free up a lot of time and money  for focus on the story and by proxy, the romances from the first game. I think I also read that the production for Mass 3 began before the release of Mass 2. I'm still a little worried, but I don't think I was clear enough.

I am cautious about getting my hopes up for something like Mass Effect 3 being released next year. Something like that seems way too good to be true. I suppose this skepticism stems from being used to two year gaps at least between games from developers that I follow. But technology is progressing in the video game development field, and I'm sure that making games that play spectacularly has gotten faster than it used to. And not to mention that this is Bioware, the developer that --from what I can tell- made Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age at the same time.

Bottom line being; I'm doing my best to be pragmatic but at the same time I still have faith in Bioware yet.

[jlb524]

Sharn01 wrote...

Awakening's is going to be one of the first Bioware games I do not buy in a very long time.

Me too.  I'll save my money.

[Corti78]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ME3 being released next year isn't necessarily a bad thing. It seems now, in BioWare's eyes, they've perfected the combat that seemed to be the focus of alot of ME2's development. Therefore, you would think that BW will focus on story and character development for ME3, therefore giving us some deeply satisfying Liara content and a awesome and beautiful end to the romance.

Plus, didn't ME3's development begin before ME2 was released? I swear I read that Casey said that in an interview.

I agree with this and thats what I think they will do. Majority of ME2's development time and resources was put into the reworking of the combat system. It seems BW is satisfied with what they have now so I don't see them putting so much emphasis on it for ME3 outside of a few tweaks. I think most of the time will be spent on the story and characters for ME3 (they did say in a couple interviews they aren't going to hold back on ME3 storywise). Hopefully it'll be enough to give us a satisfying conclusion to our chosen LI and the ME trilogy.

And Casey did say before ME2 was released they had already began work on ME3 and future ME2 DLC.

[Deamon023]

Littledoom wrote...

Just sharing some blue goodness with you people

[Deamon023]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...



I love how sometimes when Liara speaks in the debriefing room, she rearranges herself and shuffles about to get comfy again. So cute!

The only non-human crew member that can feel comfortable in a human chair

[DigitalMaster37]

Corti78 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ME3 being released next year isn't necessarily a bad thing. It seems now, in BioWare's eyes, they've perfected the combat that seemed to be the focus of alot of ME2's development. Therefore, you would think that BW will focus on story and character development for ME3, therefore giving us some deeply satisfying Liara content and a awesome and beautiful end to the romance.

Plus, didn't ME3's development begin before ME2 was released? I swear I read that Casey said that in an interview.

I agree with this and thats what I think they will do. Majority of ME2's development time and resources was put into the reworking of the combat system. It seems BW is satisfied with what they have now so I don't see them putting so much emphasis on it for ME3 outside of a few tweaks. I think most of the time will be spent on the story and characters for ME3 (they did say in a couple interviews they aren't going to hold back on ME3 storywise). Hopefully it'll be enough to give us a satisfying conclusion to our chosen LI and the ME trilogy.

And Casey did say before ME2 was released they had already began work on ME3 and future ME2 DLC.

I like this direction of thinking and hope you both are right. I would love to see HEAVY story in ME3 and a little less combat, although I thoroughly enjoyed the combat this time around, but it seems to have come at the expense of some story elements from ME1. I really hope you all are right.

[DigitalMaster37]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Plus, if as I suspect BW sees the ME1 LIs as the deepest and most developed of the ME romances, then they need a big send off and special conclusion in ME3. If you've stayed faithful, then your epilogue may be even more special!

I think after all the ME1 LI lovers been through, this would be a well deserved event. Let those of us who stayed faithful reap the benefits in additional LI content. That would make me feel better about this whole ME2 LI thing.

[Shadowcat101]

Hey guys, just adding this post here



Anyone in the “The Liara T'Soni Fan Club” can you stop by and have your say here please. I’ll post the final here too but I don’t what to take this topic too off topic. I don’t think Liara would like that…. lol

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

frij wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What people tend to forget is that in ME3, from the squads of both games so far, we are guaranteed to have Liara and a surviving Alliance soldier. To me, that suggests that Liara and either Ash/Kaidan will have the greatest role to play storywise, will be squadmates and will be the romances that they spend the most time developing in ME3. To me, that makes me feel very optimistic for Liara's future.

I feel the same, there's still one helluva lot of story to be told and I'm feeling really optimistic myself. Hell yeah I'm pissed of at the way Liara was handled in ME2, but I think things can only look up from here. Its only been a month or so since release, we just need to give it some time
Chin up Liara fans!

Oh, so just wait two years again and we'll get back to the story?  Yeah that fills me with warm fuzzies. <_<

Nozy, I've got a lot of trouble believing you can have warm fuzzies.

I mean, seriously, even in my worst pessimistic moments on the subject, I can't even begin to believe that BioWare intentionally screwed us first-game romance loyalists over.  That'd be so beyond stupid I can't even find words for it.  Yet I've got that feeling from one or three people here.

I mean, judging from the hidden dialogue and such, I think that what happened with LiLi is this -- they had a specific plan for her, and changed said specific plan too late to fill in the gaps before the (strangely pushed up) release date.  (Wait, did I say 'strangely pushed up'?  This is about the only worry I'd ever had about EA buying BW that actually has come to pass so far, that they no longer can get away with a 'when it's done' release date.  It's not a bad game at all, don't get me wrong, but I can't deny that story and immersion have suffered from getting rushed.)

Still, if I've heard right, the changes -- so far -- are actually for the better, so I can't believe that Liara isn't a concern -- they just hit a deadline, again, from what I can tell.  (Hell, maybe they were so tight for time that they didn't even have time to add three lines of code triggering an interrupt triggering an animation.  I mean the PC version has a bugged appearance of Garrus that is so deep that they can't even attempt to patch it... they were too pressed for time, obviously.)

So ... let's be honest, do we want to a) have out content for our blueberry that sucks but it's in a month, have content that spackles the holes in the story well and properly in three months, c) wait for a perfectly done follow-up to the story -- even at the expense of having Jen Hale practically not sound like the same Shepard as she did the entire game (though who knows, that might be a good thing ), or d) wait full on until the next game, and have every plotline tied up neatly in a bow?

Truth be told, I can go with any combination of the above except anything involving (a).  Let's let BioWare have the time that Electronic Arts didn't give them in the first place, and have it done right.  (That being said, I think I won't be getting ( unless it's included in the Cerberus Network price, but you never know.  © on the other hand, if it's a full expansion and even has more for the ME1 LI's... I'll be happy to pay a thousand points for it.)

[JPfanner]

I try to keep hoping so, but they certainly don't make it easy with stuff like the Hammerhead being a rail shooter, and then the addition of another squadmember with Kasumi.

I was looking at someone else's copy of the Prima Game Guide earlier today and that was seriously just completely some combination of insulting and depressing.

I guess I'm just desperate to be SHOWN that story and continuation are still important.

[JaylaClark]

JPfanner wrote...

I try to keep hoping so, but they certainly don't make it easy with stuff like the Hammerhead being a rail shooter, and then the addition of another squadmember with Kasumi.
I was looking at someone else's copy of the Prima Game Guide earlier today and that was seriously just completely some combination of insulting and depressing.
I guess I'm just desperate to be SHOWN that story and continuation are still important.

I can understand that.  And I also have to wonder about the wisdom of Kasumi being an extra squadmate -- there's definitely the possibility, in my eyes, that they have too many as it is.  (To think that I found out that I didn't have to fail Zaeed's loyalty mission -- and I didn't effing care in the slightest?  BioWare actually created a squad member that I don't care about in the least.  Even if I blow the 'No One Left Behind' achievement because of it.  And as a matter of fact, next play through, I'll probably take the opportunity to kill him instead of make him loyal, just because.)

But I swear, this is really the first disappointment I've ever had from BioWare at all, and it's not only attached to what I think is a great game otherwise, but it's so out of character for them that I think they dislike how it turned out.

[Nozybidaj]

JaylaClark wrote...

Nozy, I've got a lot of trouble believing you can have warm fuzzies.
....
So ... let's be honest, do we want to a) have out content for our blueberry that sucks but it's in a month, have content that spackles the holes in the story well and properly in three months, c) wait for a perfectly done follow-up to the story -- even at the expense of having Jen Hale practically not sound like the same Shepard as she did the entire game (though who knows, that might be a good thing ), or d) wait full on until the next game, and have every plotline tied up neatly in a bow?

.....

Know what I really wanted?  I wanted ME2 to be a sequel to ME1 where our connections and emotional attachments to the game world and it characters weren't discarded for a gimmicky shooter and contrived end game mission.  

That's what I really wanted.  Honestly outside of a huge expansion that ties these characters back into the game and the story or finding out ME is actually going to be a 4 game series and that ME2 was just an intermission chapter and ME3 is going to pick up where ME1 left off I don't think there is anything BW could do at this point to get me back to being a happy customer again.

Anyway, just another day or two till FF comes out and gives me something substantial to take my mind off it.  I'm starting to feel like I've vented enough of my frustration around here now and am losing interest in continuing these same arguments over and over again.  With nothing positive for Liara fans to take away from the game I don't see any reason to keep sticking around.

I am glad to see there are plenty of other folks out there that had the same disappointments and concerns as myself, I don't know that BW recognizes that and I guess it doesn't really matter at this point but good luck to you folks who are going to stick it out.

[revan11exile]

I've just Liara's hidden dialog video on youtube do you all think Shepard will have to fight not kill liara in mass effect 3 if she does not give up her pursue of the shadow broker?

[IndigoWolfe]

Yeah, maybe there will be a "Battle of the Heros" esque scene at some point.

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Nozy, I've got a lot of trouble believing you can have warm fuzzies.
....
So ... let's be honest, do we want to a) have out content for our blueberry that sucks but it's in a month, have content that spackles the holes in the story well and properly in three months, c) wait for a perfectly done follow-up to the story -- even at the expense of having Jen Hale practically not sound like the same Shepard as she did the entire game (though who knows, that might be a good thing ), or d) wait full on until the next game, and have every plotline tied up neatly in a bow?

.....

Know what I really wanted?  I wanted ME2 to be a sequel to ME1 where our connections and emotional attachments to the game world and it characters weren't discarded for a gimmicky shooter and contrived end game mission.  

That's what I really wanted.  Honestly outside of a huge expansion that ties these characters back into the game and the story or finding out ME is actually going to be a 4 game series and that ME2 was just an intermission chapter and ME3 is going to pick up where ME1 left off I don't think there is anything BW could do at this point to get me back to being a happy customer again.

Anyway, just another day or two till FF comes out and gives me something substantial to take my mind off it.  I'm starting to feel like I've vented enough of my frustration around here now and am losing interest in continuing these same arguments over and over again.  With nothing positive for Liara fans to take away from the game I don't see any reason to keep sticking around.

I am glad to see there are plenty of other folks out there that had the same disappointments and concerns as myself, I don't know that BW recognizes that and I guess it doesn't really matter at this point but good luck to you folks who are going to stick it out.

Okay, here comes something that happens so rarely on the Internet that you may die with shock:

You have the right to your opinion, and I respect it.  I even fully understand why you have it, though I don't fully agree with it.  (But I DO fully agree with the fact that it should be a sequel, not a loose-tie-in, and it's at least too strongly leaning toward the latter.)  The story as presented for ME2 just made it too damn difficult to use the LI's in any substantial way, but even there, if it's the story's problem, I'd have gladly played through DA:O a few more times and waited until Christmastime for a different story if need be.  (Well, maybe Memorial Day... but again, EA needs to lay off BW and let them do what they do, or BW has to go back to 'you get our game when we say it's done', one or the other.)

I just think I much prefer them backing off a storyline that looks to me that grimDark!Liara would be here forever and putting in what they did.  Say what you want about how stupid it would be to have someone consumed with vengeance to that degree in the first place, though, and I won't disagree.  Her only major motivations are Feron (which may have been added later, and isn't much from what I can tell), anything the Shadow Broker did to her (which we haven't seen yet, but don't discount it -- still, I'd think getting rid of SB would patch that) and Shepard, who's standing in front of her alive and forgiving so wtf else is there?  (I can think of good rationalizations for her not going along, though -- having something to come back to so Shep doesn't get him/herself killed is a decent one.  Not that anyone ever DOES that in a BW game... geez, has no one ever heard of fraternization rules and their reasons for existing? *sigh*)

But, well, that's just my opinion, against yours.  Who's right?  Neither, that's why they're  called 'opinions'.