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pf17456 wrote...

Does anyone consider that your actions regarding SB might be influenced by who exactly the SB is ? I mean suppose it's some Pitney Fore type character as opposed to some evil TIM type.


Who exactly the SB is won't influence my decision, unless it's someone we've already met. If the SB is a totally new character, then my answer to your question would be no. There are things that would have an influence on my decisions concerning the SB though.


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pf17456 wrote...

Does anyone consider that your actions regarding SB might be influenced by who exactly the SB is ? I mean suppose it's some Pitney Fore type character as opposed to some evil TIM type.


I think the SB is Shai'ra think about it she has access to a lot of secrets after all  and all her clients trust her and almost all of them are importante people.

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hello folks how's the thread progressing?

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To answer the question correctly, there is a possibility that the SB's true identity may affect Shepard or Liara's reaction. Suppose the Shadow Broker is a group of the last Protheans kept artificially alive? How conflicted would Liara feel about that?



I hope it's something more interesting than a TIM-type figure.

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I haz Evil!Liara


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Hello, my fellow Liara fans!:wizard:

Hitting 1500 pages. Awesome! Liara's proud. :o

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That would sure make things interesting if the SB was Shaira.

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Shavon wrote...

That would sure make things interesting if the SB was Shaira.


Well. She does **** all the politicians on the presidium, she must have snagged some sensitive information while doing it.

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I like the idea that the Shadow Broker is that group of 12 Protheans who used the Conduit to reach the Citadel, and alter the keepers. They could be being kept alive artificially by technology.



How would Liara feel about that? The last remenants of the people she's been passionate about for her entire life?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I like the idea that the Shadow Broker is that group of 12 Protheans who used the Conduit to reach the Citadel, and alter the keepers. They could be being kept alive artificially by technology.

How would Liara feel about that? The last remenants of the people she's been passionate about for her entire life?


But the SB have been helping the Reapers if in the past these Protheans have fought them why help then now?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I like the idea that the Shadow Broker is that group of 12 Protheans who used the Conduit to reach the Citadel, and alter the keepers. They could be being kept alive artificially by technology.

How would Liara feel about that? The last remenants of the people she's been passionate about for her entire life?



Even more conflictual would be if the SB turned out to be Liara's long lost father. Then what ?

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Light indoctrination, perhaps.



I speculate the SB may be another Saren, subjected to light indoctrination in order to be transformed into a useful pawn of the Reapers.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I like the idea that the Shadow Broker is that group of 12 Protheans who used the Conduit to reach the Citadel, and alter the keepers. They could be being kept alive artificially by technology.

How would Liara feel about that? The last remenants of the people she's been passionate about for her entire life?


Uh . .  hasn't dear, sweet, Liara had enough inner-struggle for the last  two years?  Besides, I am sure any of the remaining 12 Protheans were among the Collectors we destroy in ME2

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Uh . .  hasn't dear, sweet, Liara had enough inner-struggle for the last  two years?  Besides, I am sure any of the remaining 12 Protheans were among the Collectors we destroy in ME2


I know, and it pains me to see her suffer anymore, but I like the drama and angst. It gives the perfect opportunity for Liara to show off her strength and conviction, and reiterate some of her more stronger character traits.

Plus, the last 12 Protheans couldn't be Collectors, as Vigil awakened them from stasis after the Reapers had retreated back into dark space. All we're told is that they likely dies of starvation in the deserted Citadel. I think it's left a little vague for a specific reason.

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Man, I hate writing in the Nightwriter's Liara thread. All I said is that I don't like Liara asking me to help her with the Observer quest, and that I felt blackmailed (which is just how I felt, people have different views, don't tase me). All I keep getting asked is WHY, WHY, WHY! YOUR WRONG!. Man, it's just my opinion. I just don't like what Liara's becoming at the end of the day. Still want to take her out for dinner in hope I can save the romance one day.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Light indoctrination, perhaps.

I speculate the SB may be another Saren, subjected to light indoctrination in order to be transformed into a useful pawn of the Reapers.



Well Liara did kind of feel sorry for Saren. Who knows, SB may be a useful ally and not killing him might assure Liara's presence on the Normandy. I'd like that.

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pf17456 wrote...

Well Liara did kind of feel sorry for Saren. Who knows, SB may be a useful ally and not killing him might assure Liara's presence on the Normandy. I'd like that.


I actually hope that we can convince Liara that killing the Shadow Broker will not ease her of her pain and grief, and will not result in her feeling happy again. I want to comfort Liara, try to console her, help ease her emotional pain and torment. Liara would then hopefully realise that offing the Shadow Broker is not going to solve anything.

What I would then like is the ability to take the Shadow Broker into custody, and have him stand trial infront of the Citadel Council. I still feel that he's a menace that must be removed.

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Perhaps after SB failed in recover Shepard's body Harbinger decided to make him pay in a productive way and after the colecter ship misson the report mention something about Harbinger information network being as big as SB and cerberus perhaps that's because he's geting is information from SB, but I think that the SB was only indoctrinated after Redemption because he is prety defiante in the first issue.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

Man, I hate writing in the Nightwriter's Liara thread. All I said is that I don't like Liara asking me to help her with the Observer quest, and that I felt blackmailed (which is just how I felt, people have different views, don't tase me). All I keep getting asked is WHY, WHY, WHY! YOUR WRONG!. Man, it's just my opinion. I just don't like what Liara's becoming at the end of the day. Still want to take her out for dinner in hope I can save the romance one day.



Well her 'coffee cup' mentality does suggest her anger is getting the better of her much like the the conflicts raised in the other loyality missions but what's different about Liara's is that you don't have the opportunity to see it through to it's conclusion, at least not yet but opting to not help her in my opinion would have been like telling Garrus that you were not going to the Citidal because murder is wrong.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


I actually hope that we can convince Liara that killing the Shadow Broker will not ease her of her pain and grief, and will not result in her feeling happy again. I want to comfort Liara, try to console her, help ease her emotional pain and torment. Liara would then hopefully realise that offing the Shadow Broker is not going to solve anything.

What I would then like is the ability to take the Shadow Broker into custody, and have him stand trial infront of the Citadel Council. I still feel that he's a menace that must be removed.


That option would be consistant with most of the other loyality missions.

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pf17456 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Man, I hate writing in the Nightwriter's Liara thread. All I said is that I don't like Liara asking me to help her with the Observer quest, and that I felt blackmailed (which is just how I felt, people have different views, don't tase me). All I keep getting asked is WHY, WHY, WHY! YOUR WRONG!. Man, it's just my opinion. I just don't like what Liara's becoming at the end of the day. Still want to take her out for dinner in hope I can save the romance one day.



Well her 'coffee cup' mentality does suggest her anger is getting the better of her much like the the conflicts raised in the other loyality missions but what's different about Liara's is that you don't have the opportunity to see it through to it's conclusion, at least not yet but opting to not help her in my opinion would have been like telling Garrus that you were not going to the Citidal because murder is wrong.


Well, I do do the quest in the end, but I (me personally) didn't like that she asked me to help kill someone, and that if I didn't help, she'd kill all 5. That's it. And I said that, because (from my Shepard's POV), he doesn't know about the Shadow Broker and his body. He just knows Liara wants to kill him because he might have Feron, and that killing the Observer makes her closer to killing him. I would continue with more to say, but I'm really, really, really tired of typing the same thing.:lol:

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Perhaps after SB failed in recover Shepard's body Harbinger decided to make him pay in a productive way and after the colecter ship misson the report mention something about Harbinger information network being as big as SB and cerberus perhaps that's because he's geting is information from SB, but I think that the SB was only indoctrinated after Redemption because he is prety defiante in the first issue.


The Shadow Broker is actually an incredibly useful tool for the Reapers to exploit. With the Citadel relay now unavailable to them, the Reapers now have no way to acquire information on government, ecomonics, colonies, militaries, dispersal of people etc, something which they have always had and utilised at the beginning of each harvest. They could therefore use an indoctrinated Shadow Broker to compensate for losing the Citadel, and use the SB's vast wealth of knowledge for what they need. Vigil even foreshadows this in ME1 by saying "Knowledge is power".

I fully expect that the SB is assisting the Reapers, and that Liara is aware of this.

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Well, I do do the quest in the end, but I (me personally) didn't like that she asked me to help kill someone, and that if I didn't help, she'd kill all 5. That's it. And I said that, because (from my Shepard's POV), he doesn't know about the Shadow Broker and his body. He just knows Liara wants to kill him because he might have Feron, and that killing the Observer makes her closer to killing him. I would continue with more to say, but I'm really, really, really tired of typing the same thing.:lol:


I think it comes down to this:  does your Shepard trust Liara, trust that she is doing the right thing, or not?  Perhaps your Shepard doesn't trust her enough.  We (and Shepard) don't have much information on the whole Liara/SB deal, so 'blindly' helping Liara is a sign of trust.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, I do do the quest in the end, but I (me personally) didn't like that she asked me to help kill someone, and that if I didn't help, she'd kill all 5. That's it. And I said that, because (from my Shepard's POV), he doesn't know about the Shadow Broker and his body. He just knows Liara wants to kill him because he might have Feron, and that killing the Observer makes her closer to killing him. I would continue with more to say, but I'm really, really, really tired of typing the same thing.:lol:


I also didin't like wear Liara ask me to kill someone, but to be fair she has killed a lot of people  for Shepard.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, I do do the quest in the end, but I (me personally) didn't like that she asked me to help kill someone, and that if I didn't help, she'd kill all 5. That's it. And I said that, because (from my Shepard's POV), he doesn't know about the Shadow Broker and his body. He just knows Liara wants to kill him because he might have Feron, and that killing the Observer makes her closer to killing him. I would continue with more to say, but I'm really, really, really tired of typing the same thing.:lol:


I think it comes down to this:  does your Shepard trust Liara, trust that she is doing the right thing, or not?  Perhaps your Shepard doesn't trust her enough.  We (and Shepard) don't have much information on the whole Liara/SB deal, so 'blindly' helping Liara is a sign of trust.


Well when it comes to my Shepard, he feels like he doesn't know her anymore. He wants to trust her, but doesn't, because he feels like she's a completley different person, and won't talk to him (at least that's how I felt on my first playthrough). That's just my POV, anyways. Well, I don't know about "Don't trust". Maybe it's just too hard to believe. I don't know.

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