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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Exactly, and alot of people seemingly overlook that. Her emotional resilience and strength is incredibly admirable, and shows just what a strong character she is. I mean, look at how she didn't allow the death of her own mother and her resulting grief to compromise the mission, and remained strong and kept it together in order to see it through. She's awesome like that.

Still I get the feeling that she's close to the edge (maybe not on the edge but close) I get the feeling that if many more bad things happen she might snap.
So let's hope that things start looking up for her.

Modifié par Dark_Helmet, 18 juin 2010 - 09:11 .

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dark_Helmet wrote...

Still I get the feeling that she's close to the edge (maybe not on the edge but close) I get the feeling that if many more bad things happen she might snap.
So let's hope that things start looking up for her.

That's where I think Shepard may have an alignment influence over Liara in ME3. Renegades will encourage her to adopt her hardened, ruthless facade as her true personality and tell her to remain aggressive and intimidating, whereas Paragons will comfort and console her, ease her pain and help her reembrace her compassionate, caring, empathetic and sensitive personality. That way, each Shepard will have a Liara that is a perfect counterpart to them.

That would be interesting.
Actually that kind of reminds me of KOTOR: The main character basically decides the fate of the Female lead...Does she go back to the good person that you liked in the first place? Or does she stay super evil baddie.
I've got to hand it to Bioware, I think that they are the only group that could pull things like this off.

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Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

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I do have to admit though. A Renegade Shep/Liara team would be...interesting to say the least.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dark_Helmet wrote...

That would be interesting.
Actually that kind of reminds me of KOTOR: The main character basically decides the fate of the Female lead...Does she go back to the good person that you liked in the first place? Or does she stay super evil baddie.
I've got to hand it to Bioware, I think that they are the only group that could pull things like this off.

Yep, and I think that they're going to do something similar, without having Liara go evil like Bastila did unless a Renegade Shepard encourages her to. As it stands in ME2, we have Liara performing somewhat Renegade actions that she hates doing and clearly feels uncomfortable with. Shepard can then influence her in either direction. That's what I think will happen.

"good" or "bad" it will be great to have the team back together in ME3.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

The only thing that I feel perhaps precludes Shepard from comforting her when encouraging her to go Renegade is that you're trying to force Liara down a path she's clearly uncomfortable with. She hates how she's having to act in ME2, and clearly wishes she could do otherwise. She doesn't like threatening or strongarming her clients, and encouraging her to adopt that personality could perhaps cause the guilt, pain and anger to fester within her to an even greater extent.

Which in turn might cause her to actually snap, I mean full blown break down.
Which would be sad....and interesting to see.

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Well I've got to go.

Keep the love going Liara fans.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

The only thing that I feel perhaps precludes Shepard from comforting her when encouraging her to go Renegade is that you're trying to force Liara down a path she's clearly uncomfortable with. She hates how she's having to act in ME2, and clearly wishes she could do otherwise. She doesn't like threatening or strongarming her clients, and encouraging her to adopt that personality could perhaps cause the guilt, pain and anger to fester within her to an even greater extent.

First off. Good morning everyone!

Back to topic: Remember. Shepard no matter what, is an influencial and charismatics person. Once they finally get to the SB renegade will make her enjoy flaying him alive. The best example I can give is in ME1 when a renegade Shep helps Garrus track down Dr. Saleon.

Shepard: Kill him Garrus.
Garrus   : Gladly "draws his gun".
Dr. S       : Nooo! "gets shot".
Garrus   : That was .. Satisfying.
Shepard: Good. Remember that feeling, thats how it should be.

In short. A renegade Shepard will influence poor Liara into enjoying and taking pleasure in the job she originally hated.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

The only thing that I feel perhaps precludes Shepard from comforting her when encouraging her to go Renegade is that you're trying to force Liara down a path she's clearly uncomfortable with. She hates how she's having to act in ME2, and clearly wishes she could do otherwise. She doesn't like threatening or strongarming her clients, and encouraging her to adopt that personality could perhaps cause the guilt, pain and anger to fester within her to an even greater extent.

Yeah, you're right. Encouraging her to go Renegade would probably also mean that she shuts Shepard out. I mean feelings like love would just get in the way of the mission/goal, right?
Hm...when I first thought about it, it made sense to me, writing it now makes it seem a bit strange .........

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Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...
Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

The only thing that I feel perhaps precludes Shepard from comforting her when encouraging her to go Renegade is that you're trying to force Liara down a path she's clearly uncomfortable with. She hates how she's having to act in ME2, and clearly wishes she could do otherwise. She doesn't like threatening or strongarming her clients, and encouraging her to adopt that personality could perhaps cause the guilt, pain and anger to fester within her to an even greater extent.

First off. Good morning everyone!

Back to topic: Remember. Shepard no matter what, is an influencial and charismatics person. Once they finally get to the SB renegade will make her enjoy flaying him alive. The best example I can give is in ME1 when a renegade Shep helps Garrus track down Dr. Saleon.

Shepard: Kill him Garrus.
Garrus   : Gladly "draws his gun".
Dr. S       : Nooo! "gets shot".
Garrus   : That was .. Satisfying.
Shepard: Good. Remember that feeling, thats how it should be.

In short. A renegade Shepard will influence poor Liara into enjoying and taking pleasure in the job she originally hated.

That's a very interesting idea. But would BW really do something so similar to another character in the same game/franchise?

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Systemlord Baal wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Renegadising her would also ease her pain in the scenario you suggest, because she wouldn't struggle with what she should do anymore. Of course I know what you're getting at, but it's not that simple, imo. Also, just because Shepard tells her to keep her facade doesn't mean he/she can't try to comfort her.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm definately not saying she should stay "renegade" :-)

The only thing that I feel perhaps precludes Shepard from comforting her when encouraging her to go Renegade is that you're trying to force Liara down a path she's clearly uncomfortable with. She hates how she's having to act in ME2, and clearly wishes she could do otherwise. She doesn't like threatening or strongarming her clients, and encouraging her to adopt that personality could perhaps cause the guilt, pain and anger to fester within her to an even greater extent.

Yeah, you're right. Encouraging her to go Renegade would probably also mean that she shuts Shepard out. I mean feelings like love would just get in the way of the mission/goal, right?
Hm...when I first thought about it, it made sense to me, writing it now makes it seem a bit strange .........

Don't think she would shut Shepard off. Think it would sortof like with DS MaleRevanxBastilla. Rulling and conquering the galaxy together as a happy couple! 

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Lizardviking wrote...
Don't think she would shut Shepard off. Think it would sortof like with DS MaleRevanxBastilla. Rulling and conquering the galaxy together as a happy couple! 

OMG .... I don't think I could resist that

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...


"happy" in the whole "I love you dear! Oh I love you too dear!...So dear Bastila when are you going to kill me and take my place? *They hug* Oh I'll kill you eventually love"
That is most certainly a "happy" couple.

Liara isn't a sith! So she wouldn't backstab Shepard. Her and Shepard will simply ruled the galaxy like a king and queen. Then when Shepard dies (of old age) Liara will be the sole ruler of the galaxy!