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Okay this has been bugging me for a while.
Liara is 108 in ME2.
108 out of 1000 roughly.
If Liara were a human how old would she be?


She's the equlivant of someone in their early 20's.

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.

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Alright I've got another one.

I need a song for a Paragon Liara.

And a song for a Renegade Liara.

Please help.

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Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


16 year old people don't have an PH.D and run around alone in prothean ruins where there might be mercs or hostile wildlife.

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Okay this has been bugging me for a while.
Liara is 108 in ME2.
108 out of 1000 roughly.
If Liara were a human how old would she be?


She's the equlivant of someone in their early 20's.

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


She is an Asari. She is 108, even as human equivalent she'd be 108. There is no way she could or should be viewed as 16 or early 20s. She is 108. Full stop.

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Lizardviking wrote...

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Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


16 year old people don't have an PH.D and run around alone in prothean ruins where there might be mercs or hostile wildlife.

My Nephew is 17 and he just got his masters in Particle Physics.
So some young people can accomplish quite alot.

Modifié par Darth Cheesecake, 18 juin 2010 - 12:20 .


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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


16 year old people don't have an PH.D and run around alone in prothean ruins where there might be mercs or hostile wildlife.

My Nephew is 17 and he just got his masters in Particle Physics.

Uh okay. Don't think I ever get one though! :P

I suck at physics or whatever it's called in english. It's a miracle I managed to get decent grades in it at my exam this year.

"EDIT" Also don't have a clear knowlegde of the difrent path in education. So I guess I spoke about something I don't anything about.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 18 juin 2010 - 12:23 .


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Systemlord Baal wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Okay this has been bugging me for a while.
Liara is 108 in ME2.
108 out of 1000 roughly.
If Liara were a human how old would she be?


She's the equlivant of someone in their early 20's.

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


She is an Asari. She is 108, even as human equivalent she'd be 108. There is no way she could or should be viewed as 16 or early 20s. She is 108. Full stop.

Human today lives to mid eighties in many western nations.
as opposed to 40 just a century ago.
20% of your lifespan today is alot more than 20% of a person's lifespan 100 years ago.
Realitive aging is in use for every level of the animal kingdom.
Just look at "Dog Years" We say they age 7 years for every one of ours but that isn't how it happens we just live longer.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

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Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


16 year old people don't have an PH.D and run around alone in prothean ruins where there might be mercs or hostile wildlife.

My Nephew is 17 and he just got his masters in Particle Physics.

Uh okay. Don't think I ever get one though! :P

I suck at physics or whatever it's called in english. It's a miracle I managed to get decent grades in it at my exam this year.

"EDIT" Also don't have a clear knowlegde of the difrent path in education. So I guess I spoke about something I don't anything about.

Yeah he's an annoying little snot.
Getting a Masters degree in anything in nations like America and the UK is something you are not supposed to achive until your late 20's at the earliest.

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Okay this has been bugging me for a while.
Liara is 108 in ME2.
108 out of 1000 roughly.
If Liara were a human how old would she be?


She's the equlivant of someone in their early 20's.

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


She is an Asari. She is 108, even as human equivalent she'd be 108. There is no way she could or should be viewed as 16 or early 20s. She is 108. Full stop.

Human today lives to mid eighties in many western nations.
as opposed to 40 just a century ago.
20% of your lifespan today is alot more than 20% of a person's lifespan 100 years ago.
Realitive aging is in use for every level of the animal kingdom.
Just look at "Dog Years" We say they age 7 years for every one of ours but that isn't how it happens we just live longer.

Yes, but asari mature differently from humans, so you can't just find out their "human age" through some quick equation. I'd have to agree that she's pretty young comparitivley to the rest of your crew, but she's not a child. I'd have to agree with the early 20's approximation.

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There was another thread I think you fellows might be interested in.

Crap I don't know how to link worth a damn but it talks about a Shepard/Liara kid.

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Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Okay this has been bugging me for a while.
Liara is 108 in ME2.
108 out of 1000 roughly.
If Liara were a human how old would she be?


She's the equlivant of someone in their early 20's.

Oh Thanks.
Someone on another thread said that she would be about 16.
Which didn't seem right to me.


She is an Asari. She is 108, even as human equivalent she'd be 108. There is no way she could or should be viewed as 16 or early 20s. She is 108. Full stop.

Human today lives to mid eighties in many western nations.
as opposed to 40 just a century ago.
20% of your lifespan today is alot more than 20% of a person's lifespan 100 years ago.
Realitive aging is in use for every level of the animal kingdom.
Just look at "Dog Years" We say they age 7 years for every one of ours but that isn't how it happens we just live longer.

Yes, but asari mature differently from humans, so you can't just find out their "human age" through some quick equation. I'd have to agree that she's pretty young comparitivley to the rest of your crew, but she's not a child. I'd have to agree with the early 20's approximation.

Which is what I have accepted.
I was countering Systemlord's argument that you cannot use relative aging at all.

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Yeah he's an annoying little snot.
Getting a Masters degree in anything in nations like America and the UK is something you are not supposed to achive until your late 20's at the earliest.


For a moment I was afraid I was below avarge intelligence! :lol:

I'll be clean and say that the only thing I know about PH.D is that one if more higher educations you can achieve. Don't know the requierments and such (but I guess they are high).

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And you actually can figure out their relitive age through a quick equation.

On Illium one Asari mentions that she's out on her own for the first time at 60.

Most humans in Western Europe and the America's are on their own at 18

It's all about fractions and percentiles.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...


Yeah he's an annoying little snot.
Getting a Masters degree in anything in nations like America and the UK is something you are not supposed to achive until your late 20's at the earliest.


For a moment I was afraid I was below avarge intelligence! :lol:

I'll be clean and say that the only thing I know about PH.D is that one if more higher educations you can achieve. Don't know the requierments and such (but I guess they are high).



VERY.
I'm working on my masters in European History and I'm in my 20's.
You should be able to get a PH.D by you late 20's early 30's...at least in America or the U.K.

Modifié par Darth Cheesecake, 18 juin 2010 - 12:33 .


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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

And you actually can figure out their relitive age through a quick equation.
On Illium one Asari mentions that she's out on her own for the first time at 60.
Most humans in Western Europe and the America's are on their own at 18
It's all about fractions and percentiles.

But she's probably more mature, or at least knowledgable, than your average 18 year old human. She's had a lot more time to absorb information. You can't apply fractions and percentiles to individuals, everybody is different. Even if asari do leave at a later age, they're more prepared. They get biotics training, and even basic weapon handling.

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Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

And you actually can figure out their relitive age through a quick equation.
On Illium one Asari mentions that she's out on her own for the first time at 60.
Most humans in Western Europe and the America's are on their own at 18
It's all about fractions and percentiles.

But she's probably more mature, or at least knowledgable, than your average 18 year old human. She's had a lot more time to absorb information. You can't apply fractions and percentiles to individuals, everybody is different. Even if asari do leave at a later age, they're more prepared. They get biotics training, and even basic weapon handling.

Which is why rules are always generalized.
Any individual can mess up results.
That's why you pick a big group and go with the most widely acceptable average.

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Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

And you actually can figure out their relitive age through a quick equation.
On Illium one Asari mentions that she's out on her own for the first time at 60.
Most humans in Western Europe and the America's are on their own at 18
It's all about fractions and percentiles.

But she's probably more mature, or at least knowledgable, than your average 18 year old human. She's had a lot more time to absorb information. You can't apply fractions and percentiles to individuals, everybody is different. Even if asari do leave at a later age, they're more prepared. They get biotics training, and even basic weapon handling.


Agreed that you can't just use some mathematical formula and find out what the equlivant age for a human would be. My answer "in her early 20's" was more of a guess based on her maturity and what I know about the asari in the game (via codex and such).

But I don't all asari recieve mandotory weapon and biotic training in their lives.

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If you want to point out a questionable age in an Li, look at Tali. She was supposed to have been 17 or 18 in ME1, and of course, they retconned her age to '24' so romancing her wouldn't be pedo . . . and yet you're questioning Liara's age an maturity?



Think of it this way, if Liara is old and mature enough to spend years by herself, supporting herself researching old dig sites for Prothean artifacts, then it's safe to assume she's old enough to have a sexual relationship.

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Shavon wrote...

If you want to point out a questionable age in an Li, look at Tali. She was supposed to have been 17 or 18 in ME1, and of course, they retconned her age to '24' so romancing her wouldn't be pedo . . . and yet you're questioning Liara's age an maturity?

Think of it this way, if Liara is old and mature enough to spend years by herself, supporting herself researching old dig sites for Prothean artifacts, then it's safe to assume she's old enough to have a sexual relationship.

17 or 18 making someone a pedo?
What is the age of consent where you live?
Because in almost every area in my nation the age of consent is 16.
So even if Tali was 17 or 18 Shepard wouldn't be a pedo.
Even if they didn't Recton her age she'd have been 19 or 20 in ME2 not that big of an age difference.

The disscussion was never about whether or not Liara was old enough for a relationship.
It was simply about how old in relation to a human she was.

Modifié par Darth Cheesecake, 18 juin 2010 - 12:45 .


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Lizardviking wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

And you actually can figure out their relitive age through a quick equation.
On Illium one Asari mentions that she's out on her own for the first time at 60.
Most humans in Western Europe and the America's are on their own at 18
It's all about fractions and percentiles.

But she's probably more mature, or at least knowledgable, than your average 18 year old human. She's had a lot more time to absorb information. You can't apply fractions and percentiles to individuals, everybody is different. Even if asari do leave at a later age, they're more prepared. They get biotics training, and even basic weapon handling.


Agreed that you can't just use some mathematical formula and find out what the equlivant age for a human would be. My answer "in her early 20's" was more of a guess based on her maturity and what I know about the asari in the game (via codex and such).

But I don't all asari recieve mandotory weapon and biotic training in their lives.

True. Liara did, but that might have been because of her mother. But all those Eclipse mercs had to learn it from somewhere, I'm pretty sure they don't just let any ol' asari into the gang. :P

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Shavon wrote...

If you want to point out a questionable age in an Li, look at Tali. She was supposed to have been 17 or 18 in ME1, and of course, they retconned her age to '24' so romancing her wouldn't be pedo . . . and yet you're questioning Liara's age an maturity?

Think of it this way, if Liara is old and mature enough to spend years by herself, supporting herself researching old dig sites for Prothean artifacts, then it's safe to assume she's old enough to have a sexual relationship.

17 or 18 making someone a pedo?
What is the age of consent where you live?
Because in almost every area in my nation the age of consent is 16.
So even if Tali was 17 or 18 Shepard wouldn't be a pedo.

It's 18 in the US, and maybe Canada. But it's still generally considered creepy to have a guy who should be around thirty at the earliest to be shacking up with someone who JUST became an adult. It's legal, yes. But mildly disturbing.

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Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Shavon wrote...

If you want to point out a questionable age in an Li, look at Tali. She was supposed to have been 17 or 18 in ME1, and of course, they retconned her age to '24' so romancing her wouldn't be pedo . . . and yet you're questioning Liara's age an maturity?

Think of it this way, if Liara is old and mature enough to spend years by herself, supporting herself researching old dig sites for Prothean artifacts, then it's safe to assume she's old enough to have a sexual relationship.

17 or 18 making someone a pedo?
What is the age of consent where you live?
Because in almost every area in my nation the age of consent is 16.
So even if Tali was 17 or 18 Shepard wouldn't be a pedo.

It's 18 in the US, and maybe Canada. But it's still generally considered creepy to have a guy who should be around thirty at the earliest to be shacking up with someone who JUST became an adult. It's legal, yes. But mildly disturbing.

Where in the US are you?
Because it's 16 in a good portion of the states.

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

The disscussion was never about whether or not Liara was old enough for a relationship.
It was simply about how old in relation to a human she was.

Well, somehwere in her early 20s, if a 20-year old was incredibly smart bookwise, but an adorably bumbling fool socially.

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Shavon wrote...

If you want to point out a questionable age in an Li, look at Tali. She was supposed to have been 17 or 18 in ME1, and of course, they retconned her age to '24' so romancing her wouldn't be pedo . . . and yet you're questioning Liara's age an maturity?

Think of it this way, if Liara is old and mature enough to spend years by herself, supporting herself researching old dig sites for Prothean artifacts, then it's safe to assume she's old enough to have a sexual relationship.

17 or 18 making someone a pedo?
What is the age of consent where you live?
Because in almost every area in my nation the age of consent is 16.
So even if Tali was 17 or 18 Shepard wouldn't be a pedo.

It's 18 in the US, and maybe Canada. But it's still generally considered creepy to have a guy who should be around thirty at the earliest to be shacking up with someone who JUST became an adult. It's legal, yes. But mildly disturbing.

Where in the US are you?
Because it's 16 in a good portion of the states.

New York. It's 16 down in the deep south, because well, it's the south.

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True. Liara did, but that might have been because of her mother. But all those Eclipse mercs had to learn it from somewhere, I'm pretty sure they don't just let any ol' asari into the gang. :P


Sure some young asari recieve military training if they chose to. Which mean that it's not alot, or else asari society would be somewhat like the turian right?