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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

If in ME3 you would have the oportunity to increase Shepard life span to match Liara's do you guys think that would be a good or bad thing for Shepard/Liara story. I have seen people here saying that would ruin part of the drama involving their relationship but I will be realy happy if my Shepard could live 1000 years with Liara and she would not be forced to see Shepard die again.

I'll think it would ruin the drama in the relationship. I'm sure the lazarus project have extended Shepard lifespan with (and this is my guess) 50 years or so. But I would hate if Shepard would live as long as Liara.

But with Liara story in ME2 I think that Liara/Shepard relationship have already enough drama and IMO don't need the extra drama that the diferent life spans offers.

As I said to LES I will say the same to you.

True art is angsty Master wolf. You're obviously not the sophisticated type! 

[CM26617]

I mean, with respect, we are forgetting that there is a chance that the Shepard Liara knew can potentially be KIA'd (again) ermanently, if not already so in some rare cases of playthrough for ME 2.



The idea itself seems tempting enough, but with more immediate problems and threats down the track, I tink its a 'wait and see' policy

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Here everyone, take a look at the TVTropes page for the Mass Effect characters, specifically Liara's section:

http://tvtropes.org/...ters/MassEffect

Some of the tropes attributed to Liara's character are the sort of misinformed crap that I expect from Liara's bashers on here. "Innocence Virgin on Stupidity"? "Distressed Damsel"? I may have to edit every single one of these to rectify it.

Oh, screw 'em!

[CM26617]

Huh, well said, jib.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Of course she isn't defenceless. But she does have  "damsel in distress" moment with the bubble where she basicly goes "Oh help me good sir knight! I'm trapped in this bubble" that and the fainting makes her the damsel in ME1 even through doesn't last through out  the entire game (and thank god for that!).

Yeah, I'd say that BW intended for the player to get a Damsel in Distress vibe from meeting and rescuing Liara, but I think that when you analyse it, it is actually entirely averted. Liara became trapped in the Prothean bubble not because she's weak or incompetant, and wanted to hide away, but because she was quickly being overwhelmed by a krogan battlemaster and an entire geth platoon. No way she could have survived with those odds stacked against her. So, she did the smart and logical thing by attempting to defend herself through protection via the technology. Of course, she then made a mistake and found herself in the situation Shepard and the squad discovers her in. None of it is because she's weak, though.

You want a true damsel in distress? Try Princess Peach. She's most definitely a poor, defenseless damsel in distress!

So? It doesn't matter how much ass they kick. If they have a damsel in distress moment. They deserve the trope on their character page. Look at Tali. She also knows how to handle herself, but both her recruitment and loyalty mission have you riding in as the knight in shinning armor rescuing her from danger. Making her qualifed to have the trope on her page.

I can under removing the "stupid innocent virgin" trope, but she does have a damsel in distress moment. Whether you like it or not. It doesn't last forever (and I would hate her if it did) but happens and therefor the trope should stay.

[Marcin K]

 pic time:

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd actually argue that it's not a Distressed Damsel moment in the truest sense of the word with Liara. If we're going by that logic, then Ashley is also a distressed damsel as we save her from the attacking geth on Eden Prime. What happens to Liara on Therum isn't because she's weak or helpless. It's because she's been overwhelmed by impossible odds, and made a simple mistake.

Fun fact: All the ME1 female squadmembers are recruited by saving them from harm.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd actually argue that it's not a Distressed Damsel moment in the truest sense of the word with Liara. If we're going by that logic, then Ashley is also a distressed damsel as we save her from the attacking geth on Eden Prime. What happens to Liara on Therum isn't because she's weak or helpless. It's because she's been overwhelmed by impossible odds, and made a simple mistake.

It's OK, man! 

*distracts Les*

So...how about that Liara DLC?

[Chief Martini]

I was thinking about the life-span exstension as well Master Wolf, and I think it would be a good thing IMO.

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

If in ME3 you would have the oportunity to increase Shepard life span to match Liara's do you guys think that would be a good or bad thing for Shepard/Liara story. I have seen people here saying that would ruin part of the drama involving their relationship but I will be realy happy if my Shepard could live 1000 years with Liara and she would not be forced to see Shepard die again.

I'll think it would ruin the drama in the relationship. I'm sure the lazarus project have extended Shepard lifespan with (and this is my guess) 50 years or so. But I would hate if Shepard would live as long as Liara.

But with Liara story in ME2 I think that Liara/Shepard relationship have already enough drama and IMO don't need the extra drama that the diferent life spans offers.

As I said to LES I will say the same to you.

True art is angsty Master wolf. You're obviously not the sophisticated type! 

I apreciate anguish I just love happy endings more.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Fun fact: All the ME1 female squadmembers are recruited by saving them from harm.

Which is not the case with Kaidan, Garrus or Wrex...

I call sexism on BioWare's part!!!!!!

Well. Samara, Jack, Mirianda, Kasumi don't need rescuing.

[CM26617]

I'm actually surprised that Liara didn't try to blast her way out of the Prothean security field she was stuck in - at least, not by the time Shepard arrived (though its likely she could've tried)

Modifié par CM26617, 18 juin 2010 - 02:47 .

[Barquiel]

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Fun fact: All the ME1 female squadmembers are recruited by saving them from harm.

Which is not the case with Kaidan, Garrus or Wrex...

I call sexism on BioWare's part!!!!!!

Well. Samara, Jack, Mirianda, Kasumi don't need rescuing.

Garrus and Kaidan need rescuing in ME2!

[CM26617]

Probably a likely explanation, LET, was that Prothean security devices play havoc with dark matter/biotics/telepathy, blocking the 'sender's' attempts.



Well, in theory ....

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

CM, I actually wonder as to why Liara didn't attempt to use her biotics to work the control panel and attempt to deactivate the security field herself. Plothole, perhaps?

It's a holografic interface the comands would not be viseble without someone close to them, and I don't  know if biotics could interface with them.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Barquiel wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Fun fact: All the ME1 female squadmembers are recruited by saving them from harm.

Which is not the case with Kaidan, Garrus or Wrex...

I call sexism on BioWare's part!!!!!!

Well. Samara, Jack, Mirianda, Kasumi don't need rescuing.

Garrus and Kaidan need rescuing in ME2!

I know I don't have the authrority to claim what defines a "damsel in distress" but heres.

A character who needs rescuing against impossible odds. Does not count if the character is making a last stand and wants to go out in a blaze of glory (like Garrus).

ME characters qualified: Liara, Tali, Ash, Kaidan. Can't think of others.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Fun fact: All the ME1 female squadmembers are recruited by saving them from harm.

Which is not the case with Kaidan, Garrus or Wrex...

I call sexism on BioWare's part!!!!!!

Well. Samara, Jack, Mirianda, Kasumi don't need rescuing.

Garrus and Kaidan need rescuing in ME2!

I know I don't have the authrority to claim what defines a "damsel in distress" but heres.

A character who needs rescuing against impossible odds. Does not count if the character is making a last stand and wants to go out in a blaze of glory (like Garrus).

ME characters qualified: Liara, Tali, Ash, Kaidan. Can't think of others.

Jack.

[CM26617]

True.



And *facepalm* no wonder why it couldn't have worked! If biotics is the manipulation of dark matter then two types of pure energy cannot or are unable to be interacted with in any way.



With that embarrasing realisation, I gotta bolt. See ya.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Jack.

Jack wasn't really in need of rescuing. Granted the ship would go down in flames and she would die. But in the time between her release and you catching her. She seems to do fine.