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[jlb524]

They really shouldn't have added that line for non-romanced Shepards.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

Walters needs to stay away from Liara!

Walters needs to stay away from me too. If I ever ran into him, I'd.......
I don't want to be banned.

[Crimmsonwind]

I just had a horrible thought. What if they did all of this on purpose, so that the fans could develop their characters for them, using us as free labor?

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Walters needs to stay away from Liara!

Walters needs to stay away from me too. If I ever ran into him, I'd.......
I don't want to be banned.

I like Walters, he tried his best with a character he never even wrote, knows or is even his type of character. Tho I am bias with Walters because he made Wrex so.....

[kraidy1117]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I just had a horrible thought. What if they did all of this on purpose, so that the fans could develop their characters for them, using us as free labor?

*head explodes*

[jtav]

kraidy1117 wrote...

It feels way to awkard to hear that if you never romanced her.........

And that is why it should have been romance exclusive. It comes off as faintly creepy and pathetic if you didn't romance her.

[jlb524]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I just had a horrible thought. What if they did all of this on purpose, so that the fans could develop their characters for them, using us as free labor?

Haa haa!

I'd write Liara for free.....they can take my ideas....PLEASE TAKE MY IDEAS!!!!!!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I just had a horrible thought. What if they did all of this on purpose, so that the fans could develop their characters for them, using us as free labor?

Haa haa!

I'd write Liara for free.....they can take my ideas....PLEASE TAKE MY IDEAS!!!!!!

I could rewrite Liaras flippen cameo scene for crying out loud.

[CM26617]

A bit on the conspiracy theory side with that one, Crimson. Possibly true, but a very, very , very slim chance (0.000001%)

As far as I know, professional literature still requires the skills of writers and others in the related field in order to fully and properly flesh out acharacter. While it doesn't mean user feedback won't be acted on, I highly doubt character development could be done on feedback alone.

Modifié par CM26617, 23 juin 2010 - 03:09 .

[kraidy1117]

CM26617 wrote...

A bit on the conspiracy theory side with that one, Crimson. Possibly true, but a very, very , very slim chance (0.000001%) Professional literature still requires the skills of writers and others in the related field in order to fully and properly flesh out acharacter. While it doesn't mean user feedback wont be acted on, I highly doubt character development could be done on feedback alone..

Liara relies on feedback since Drew is gone.

[Marcin K]

lol missed few pages:P

[CM26617]

True, kraidy1117, but my guess is there would already have been some basic groundwork for Liara already established via ME 1. Anything after ME 1 may have been open to interpretation, hence why some elements in ME 2 seem to be a bit skewed.

Edit: *facepalm* I just stated the obvious, didn't I?

Modifié par CM26617, 23 juin 2010 - 03:13 .

[Crimmsonwind]

CM26617 wrote...

A bit on the conspiracy theory side with that one, Crimson. Possibly true, but a very, very , very slim chance (0.000001%)

As far as I know, professional literature still requires the skills of writers and others in the related field in order to fully and properly flesh out acharacter. While it doesn't mean user feedback won't be acted on, I highly doubt character development could be done on feedback alone.

Heh, I know, I was just messing around. Let's face it, if we were in charge of writing Liara's character, it would be nothing but gushy love stuff. I'd have cavities from the amount of sweetness.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd agree, but when Liara is recounting and telling of her thoughts and feelings, her guilt over the whole affair, she mentioned that this all happened "When I gave you to Cerberus". She says that she lied to herself that she was doing it for Shepard's sake and not her own desire to see Shepard revived when she was handing the corpse over, like she was aware of this at the time. I agree that Liara originally hunted down the corpse b/c she wanted to see Shepard put to rest, as TIM hadn't informed her of his intentions with the body. But, when Liara then learned of the Lazarus Project, that is when she then wanted to hand the corpse to Cerberus because she wanted to see Shepard rebuilt.

But, in the comic, there are no hints of this...she's a bit reluctant to give the body to Cerberus for their crazy science experiment.  She could have been referring to a time after this, when she finally came to the realization what was going on with her feelings....perhaps this was only a week later, so it's still in the same time frame, which is why she states 'When I gave you to Cerberus'.....she might not have meant the exact moment when she gave the body to them.

[ratzerman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Walters needs to stay away from Liara!

Walters needs to stay away from me too. If I ever ran into him, I'd.......
I don't want to be banned.

I like Walters, he tried his best with a character he never even wrote, knows or is even his type of character. Tho I am bias with Walters because he made Wrex so.....

He wrote Liara as bad as he could on purpose to destroy her.  She wasn't his creation, so he wanted her gone.
Kinda like how male lions kill the cubs of other males.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...

And that is why it should have been romance exclusive. It comes off as faintly creepy and pathetic if you didn't romance her.

Why couldn't they have written and recorded some unique dialogue for a Liara that was in a relationship with Shepard?

I think that what they were attempting to do there was show that Liara has strong feelings, though not necessarily romantic, for Shepard regardless of reciprocation. It's supposed to be vague and ambiguous so that it can be applied to both romanced and non-romanced Liara. It's laziness.

Oh, I hope you're able to continue writing your fic soon, jtav. What you'd written so far was excellent.

Except, it's not very vague and ambiguous...it screams 'I love you Shepard!!' and is (or should be) romance-specific.  Perhaps it's a bug and non-romancers weren't intended to see that part?

[Crimmsonwind]

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Walters needs to stay away from Liara!

Walters needs to stay away from me too. If I ever ran into him, I'd.......
I don't want to be banned.

I like Walters, he tried his best with a character he never even wrote, knows or is even his type of character. Tho I am bias with Walters because he made Wrex so.....

He wrote Liara as bad as he could on purpose to destroy her.  She wasn't his creation, so he wanted her gone.
Kinda like how male lions kill the cubs of other males.

XD I don't think the others would let him do that.

[CM26617]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

A bit on the conspiracy theory side with that one, Crimson. Possibly true, but a very, very , very slim chance (0.000001%)

As far as I know, professional literature still requires the skills of writers and others in the related field in order to fully and properly flesh out acharacter. While it doesn't mean user feedback won't be acted on, I highly doubt character development could be done on feedback alone.

Heh, I know, I was just messing around. Let's face it, if we were in charge of writing Liara's character, it would be nothing but gushy love stuff. I'd have cavities from the amount of sweetness.

Heh, I'm not sure how I would approach Liara were I in Walter's position. I was always the type to include some form of conflict between characters, but I guess there would be that element of love and hope.

And I believe, as one video game put it, "Hope runs deep."

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...

And that is why it should have been romance exclusive. It comes off as faintly creepy and pathetic if you didn't romance her.

Why couldn't they have written and recorded some unique dialogue for a Liara that was in a relationship with Shepard?

I think that what they were attempting to do there was show that Liara has strong feelings, though not necessarily romantic, for Shepard regardless of reciprocation. It's supposed to be vague and ambiguous so that it can be applied to both romanced and non-romanced Liara. It's laziness.

Oh, I hope you're able to continue writing your fic soon, jtav. What you'd written so far was excellent.

Just does not feel right. For a romance Shepard ,it does, for a friend? Not so much....

[Crimmsonwind]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...
And that is why it should have been romance exclusive. It comes off as faintly creepy and pathetic if you didn't romance her.

 Why couldn't they have written and recorded some unique dialogue for a Liara that was in a relationship with Shepard?
I think that what they were attempting to do there was show that Liara has strong feelings, though not necessarily romantic, for Shepard regardless of reciprocation. It's supposed to be vague and ambiguous so that it can be applied to both romanced and non-romanced Liara. It's laziness.
Oh, I hope you're able to continue writing your fic soon, jtav. What you'd written so far was excellent.

Except, it's not very vague and ambiguous...it screams 'I love you Shepard!!' and is (or should be) romance-specific. Perhaps it's a bug and non-romancers weren't intended to see that part?

I'm with jib on this one. The dialogue seemed a bit too lovey to not be interpretted otherwise, even if you didn't romance her.
I can understand why they used her in the comic, she's accessible to both male and female Shepards. And I like how the comics weren't shoving a romance in your face. It's there if you want it to be, but if you didn't, then she can come across as just a concerned friend.
But then ME2 rolls around, and she drops the "I couldn't let you go," regardless of romance status. That line sounds like it's right out of Titanic.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 23 juin 2010 - 03:21 .

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Walters needs to stay away from Liara!

Walters needs to stay away from me too. If I ever ran into him, I'd.......
I don't want to be banned.

I like Walters, he tried his best with a character he never even wrote, knows or is even his type of character. Tho I am bias with Walters because he made Wrex so.....

He wrote Liara as bad as he could on purpose to destroy her.  She wasn't his creation, so he wanted her gone.
Kinda like how male lions kill the cubs of other males.

You don't how hard It is hard to write a character that is not even your type of character nor a character he even wrote. It's not easy, it could have been ALOT worse then what happen. Walters is a good writer, exampls are Wrex, Aria, TIM and others.

[Crimmsonwind]

kraidy1117 wrote...

You don't how hard It is hard to write a character that is not even your type of character nor a character he even wrote. It's not easy, it could have been ALOT worse then what happen. Walters is a good writer, exampls are Wrex, Aria, TIM and others.

Aria is pretty kick-ass. Did he write her? I don't really know anything about who wrote who.

[kraidy1117]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You don't how hard It is hard to write a character that is not even your type of character nor a character he even wrote. It's not easy, it could have been ALOT worse then what happen. Walters is a good writer, exampls are Wrex, Aria, TIM and others.

Aria is pretty kick-ass. Did he write her? I don't really know anything about who wrote who.

Walters is a good writer, he is also the reason why TIM was SO MUCH better then that moron Drew wrote in his book.