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[CM26617]

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.



Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

[Crimmsonwind]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe they wanted to make clear that Liara still holds romantic feelings for Shepard? Maybe they intend to have her available as an LI to new players in ME3, so that Shepard can at last reciprocate her love?

I mean, Shepard is able to express feelings for Ashley or Kaidan to Kelly, regardless of romance. The same may ring true for the surviving Alliance soldier. The ME1 LIs will be available to new players in ME3.

IDK. Maybe the scene is just hacked to bits and doesn't really make much sense?

True, I didn't think of that. I mean, just because you turn her down in ME1 (assuming one would do such a thing ) doesn't mean she stopped being interested in you.

The more I think about it, the more the hwole thing is just whacked. And the more sense a DLC makes to fix some of these issues, or at least help make sense of things.

[kraidy1117]

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

That's the thing. Liara is not Walters type of character. He did the best job he could, was it bad? Yes, but it could have been worse.

[leeboi2]

Jlb, your avatar is amazing Oh, and ENGLAND!

[bjdbwea]

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 juin 2010 - 03:41 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

J, if Liara didn't realise and act on these feelings at the exact moment she handed the corpse over, why did she leave it with Miranda anyway? It comes across as token resistance and Liara lying to herself to me. If Liara truly and sincerely felt that she merely wanted to lay Shepard to rest at that time, then she would have taken the body back and not allow Cerberus to go ahead with the Lazarus Project.

To me, it makes sense considering the fact that Liara says that she lied to herself in ME2. That she attempted to tell herself that she was doing it for Shepard's sake, hence her putting up token resistance, but knowing that she was really doing it b/c she wanted to see Shepard revived.

That's kind of my point, except I don't think she was lying to herself, I just think it was more the case that she didn't quite know why she was doing what she was doing at that time.

As I said, subconciously, she did want Shepard back, even though her concsious thoughts were of doing what's best and putting the body to rest.  

[CM26617]

Im a bit torn as to how establishing a new relationship with Liara for ME 3 would play out. The continuity established if Shepard went through both ME 1 and/or 2 and survived would allow for the writers to have some material to draw on.



But if you are starting a new Shepard to, say, replace the Shepard who died in ME 2, for example, Im not sure as to how that will work. What would Liara be interested in now that the earlier influence of the Protheans has been (temporarily) marginalised?

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

Fan fiction is diffrent then writing for a living.

[jlb524]

leeboi2 wrote...

Jlb, your avatar is amazing Oh, and ENGLAND!

Thanks...I still might change the background a bit.

[leeboi2]

kraidy1117 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

Fan fiction is diffrent then writing for a living.

Which should obviously make them not as good as proffesional writers...

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

Jlb, your avatar is amazing Oh, and ENGLAND!

Thanks...I still might change the background a bit.

but but but the background is fine!!!!! unless it's pink mist:wizard:

[KendallX23]

ok..so i read on a site that one sure thing to happen in ME3 is that Liara will be a central character...since she is the only one that cannot die out of Shep squadmates...and she has a comic(no matter how bad it was)...central character means recruitable or just helping out in a big way ?

[kraidy1117]

leeboi2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

Fan fiction is diffrent then writing for a living.

Which should obviously make them not as good as proffesional writers...

Fan fiction does not need to worry about money, proffesionals do.

[CM26617]

bjdbwea wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

I can understand what you have mentioned before. I also take into account that there are other elements that mitigated the final result  (including Shepard's (lack of) dialogue), nor was I trying to pass that off as an excuse. I was merely examining one aspect of the situation, but you are right: there were other mitigating factors which contributed to the final scene being a bit OOC (out of character)

[kraidy1117]

CM26617 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

CM26617 wrote...

Being a beginning writer (in my private life), Id have to agree with what kraidy mentioned before. Its my experiance that if you know a character very well and are able to write them into a story with a minimum amount of problem, you'll do well.

Unfamiliarity, on the other hand can be detrimental to a character if it affects the final result, so I don't hold anything against Walters if this was the case.

I disagree. I understand what you're saying. But the scene was so terrible and botched, it can not be excused with being unfamiliar with the character. Besides, he better make himself familiar with the characters he's writing. The ME 1 LIs are not some nobodies, all of them are a central character of the game BioWare were making a successor to. If any random fan fiction writer can come up with a better version of that scene, I certainly expect a supposed professional to be able as well. Besides, it's not only Liara that was badly written, it was Shepard too (even though Shepard's behaviour was at least coherent with the rest of the game).

I can understand what you have mentioned before. I also take into account that there are other elements that mitigated the final result  (including Shepard's (lack of) dialogue), nor was I trying to pass that off as an excuse. I was merely examining one aspect of the situation, but you are right: there were other mitigating factors which contributed to the final scene being a bit OOC (out of character)

Not this again. Liara is not OOC! It was two years since ME and she has been doing stuff by her self! All the characters have changed, do you mean to tell me that all the ME characters are OOC in ME2 then?

If you went through what Liara did, you would be diffrent, because you know hevan forbid characters show growth.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe they wanted to make clear that Liara still holds romantic feelings for Shepard? Maybe they intend to have her available as an LI to new players in ME3, so that Shepard can at last reciprocate her love?

I mean, Shepard is able to express feelings for Ashley or Kaidan to Kelly, regardless of romance. The same may ring true for the surviving Alliance soldier. The ME1 LIs will be available to new players in ME3.

IDK. Maybe the scene is just hacked to bits and doesn't really make much sense?

I hope so.

I don't like the idea of Liara loving Shepard no matter what.  It gives her the creepy stalker vibe and is bad for her character, IMO.  I think if she was rejected by Shepard in ME1, she would be strong enough to move on in 2 years.  It wouldn't even make sense to me because, while Liara might have been attracted to any Shepard quickly after the first meeting, Liara definitely didn't fall in love with Shepard that quickly.  I think the Liara and Shepard love grew after they admitted their feelings for each other, and they spent more time together.  I think the meld they shared before Ilos is what really brought them together and would have been the event that changed Liara's feelings for Shepard from attraction and caring for Shepard to love.

Liara would never have experienced all of this with a non-romanced Shepard.

Modifié par jlb524, 23 juin 2010 - 03:53 .

[KendallX23]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

ok..so i read on a site that one sure thing to happen in ME3 is that Liara will be a central character...since she is the only one that cannot die out of Shep squadmates...and she has a comic(no matter how bad it was)...central character means recruitable or just helping out in a big way ?

We don't know. We hope that means she will be a squadmate again and also have a huge and key role in the story. I think that will be the case, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that Liara's ME3 role could be limited to a plot sensitive cameo.

However, I do think she'll return as a squaddie. I'm confident to the point of certainty.

Honestly....i hope all squadmates from ME1 and 2 that still live will return AS squadmates...but given Liara's role of a information broker....i find it hard to belive she will be a full squadmate..and if the events of her DLC will happen i see it even harder

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...
but but but the background is fine!!!!! unless it's pink mist:wizard:

It would be basically the same, but touched up a bit.

[bjdbwea]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Fan fiction is diffrent then writing for a living.

Yes, if you write for a living, excuses like being unfamiliar with a character are much less acceptable.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Fan fiction is diffrent then writing for a living.

Yes, if you write for a living, excuses like being unfamiliar with a character are much less acceptable.

... Are you being funny? Pleese tell me you are.