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Actual statistics may not bear this out, but my sense from reading the forum is that people who romanced Liara tended to move on to a ME2 romance less often than people who romanced Kaidan and, especially, Ashley. I wonder why.


Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.

Pfffft, those men, such unloyal jerks. ;)

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Plus he redid TIM compared to that wannabe TIM in the book, I hope Drew uses the TIM Walters made in the next book.....


I'm sure they communicate on these characters, especially considering Walters wrote the version of TIM most are familiar with.

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Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.


I think that may be what's skewing my perceotion. Most of the people I see who are staying faithful to Liara are playing FemShep.

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On the contrary, I've seen many people across the internet and those that casually play Mass Effect express frustration at Liara's poor role, the desire to see her return and vowing to remain faithful to her.



She's alot more popular than some of you guys give her credit for!

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jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Actual statistics may not bear this out, but my sense from reading the forum is that people who romanced Liara tended to move on to a ME2 romance less often than people who romanced Kaidan and, especially, Ashley. I wonder why.


Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.


Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

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It was? How? The comic only explores how Cerberus got Shepard and why Liara began to hunt the SB. There is still a gap we have not seen. She changed in those two years, that's character growth and dev.


kraidy, I mean a missed opportunity in elaborating on specifically how the events of Redemption would have affected Liara to the extent that we see in ME2. Rather than be deep in any way, what we get is something with extremely poor presentation and that is very shallow.

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kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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It was? How? The comic only explores how Cerberus got Shepard and why Liara began to hunt the SB. There is still a gap we have not seen. She changed in those two years, that's character growth and dev.


kraidy, I mean a missed opportunity in elaborating on specifically how the events of Redemption would have affected Liara to the extent that we see in ME2. Rather than be deep in any way, what we get is something with extremely poor presentation and that is very shallow.


Meh I read the comic telling my self that it's about getting Shepards body back. It works.

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ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
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I romanced Ash, but I moved on. I told Ash that and Kelyy that.

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ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
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Which only reaffirms my opinion that the vast majority of them have a mask fetish.

I dunno, I think it's hard to get an idea of what genders romance who and whatnot. Not everyone who is a fan of a character, is a part of the forums. And people may say one thing, but they actually believe another. You'd have to do some kind of door-to-door questionaire around the world to get a real count. XD

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kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Actual statistics may not bear this out, but my sense from reading the forum is that people who romanced Liara tended to move on to a ME2 romance less often than people who romanced Kaidan and, especially, Ashley. I wonder why.


Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.


Majority of loyal Shepards are females.


But I garantee you, if Miranda and/or Tali had been bisexual love interests; there would've been an equal, if not greater amounts of disloyal Female Shepards.

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I tried cheating on Liara. Couldn't do it. I enjoyed the ME romance to much. Which means I'm stuck replaying ME for the 362nd time just so I can stay single and romance Miranda in good conscience. Not looking forward to cheating on Kaidan either.

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ratzerman wrote...
Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
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I've read that before. It's a pretty disgusting attitude.

Liara is a tool you use and exploit, before discarding because what you orginally wanted in the first place is available? Come on!

Meh. I like FemShep/Liara best anyway.:wizard:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

It was? How? The comic only explores how Cerberus got Shepard and why Liara began to hunt the SB. There is still a gap we have not seen. She changed in those two years, that's character growth and dev.


kraidy, I mean a missed opportunity in elaborating on specifically how the events of Redemption would have affected Liara to the extent that we see in ME2. Rather than be deep in any way, what we get is something with extremely poor presentation and that is very shallow.


Meh I read the comic telling my self that it's about getting Shepards body back. It works.

Yeah. I'm glad they didn't make the comic a deep love fest. It wouldn't have been fair to people who weren't in a romance with Liara.

I do still wish they went on to explain some of the major gaps of information that we're missing, though.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

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Actual statistics may not bear this out, but my sense from reading the forum is that people who romanced Liara tended to move on to a ME2 romance less often than people who romanced Kaidan and, especially, Ashley. I wonder why.


Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.


Majority of loyal Shepards are females.


But I garantee you, if Miranda and/or Tali had been bisexual love interests; there would've been an equal, if not greater amounts of disloyal Female Shepards.


Don't care for Tali as a roomance, but Miri? YES PLEESE!:wizard:

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Majority of loyal Shepards are females.


I know there's more to it for most people in here. I've just have a bad feelings that a decent amount of those Femshep players who stayed loyal to Liara was because there was no F/F romance in ME2 (aside from Kelly which doesn't count).

"EDIT" Indigo ninja'd me to it.

It's sad that Liara's character have been so completly wrecked that most people cheat on her. Hopefully they will show the ME1 LI's in a positive light and the ME2 in a slightly negative one in ME3.

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ratzerman wrote...

A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."


Honestly, the thought of romancing Tali never occurred to me. Before I read about the possibility on the forums shortly before release, I'd never have thought there would be a noticeable demand for that. /shrug

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ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
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That makes me sad :crying:

Liara was just an f-buddy then....

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jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
Image IPB


That makes me sad :crying:

Liara was just an f-buddy then....


.....

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jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Majority of loyal Shepards are females.

Mine is....
A lot of dudeShep players use the excuse of "I only romanced Liara because Tali wasn't an option."
Image IPB


That makes me sad :crying:

Liara was just an f-buddy then....


Well, let's not forget that not all MaleSheps were disloyal and just thought of Liara as an f-buddy. Mine truly and deeply love her, and are unendingly loyal. Not a single one mf my Shepards is being disloyal to their ME1 romance, and that's the way it's staying.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 23 juin 2010 - 04:37 .


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Yeah. I'm glad they didn't make the comic a deep love fest. It wouldn't have been fair to people who weren't in a romance with Liara.


I think that's why the comic suffered.  Not that I think they should have turned it into a love fest (I agree, it wouldn't be fair), but that the writers had to be careful what they added, about Liara, about Shepard, since they had to avoid canon.  Thus, the focus had to be on action and biotic kung-fu, with little possibility for any meaningful character development.

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Yeah. I'm glad they didn't make the comic a deep love fest. It wouldn't have been fair to people who weren't in a romance with Liara.

I do still wish they went on to explain some of the major gaps of information that we're missing, though.


Or perhaps elaborate on Liara's feelings of guilt, her emotional torment and the pain she's endured? That's what I'm getting at. I know the comic has to be romance neutral, and I'm fine with that. But I feel that there were other missed opportunities to provide exposition on her character without the necessity of romance.

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jlb524 wrote...

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Yeah. I'm glad they didn't make the comic a deep love fest. It wouldn't have been fair to people who weren't in a romance with Liara.


I think that's why the comic suffered.  Not that I think they should have turned it into a love fest (I agree, it wouldn't be fair), but that the writers had to be careful what they added, about Liara, about Shepard, since they had to avoid canon.  Thus, the focus had to be on action and biotic kung-fu, with little possibility for any meaningful character development.

Well yeah, that whole part sucked.

The comic was a good idea, but when you have to be that careful about stepping on toes, it might have just been better to scrap it altogether.

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I think that's why the comic suffered.  Not that I think they should have turned it into a love fest (I agree, it wouldn't be fair), but that the writers had to be careful what they added, about Liara, about Shepard, since they had to avoid canon.  Thus, the focus had to be on action and biotic kung-fu, with little possibility for any meaningful character development.

Well yeah, that whole part sucked.

The comic was a good idea, but when you have to be that careful about stepping on toes, it might have just been better to scrap it altogether.


Exposition that should have been featured in game, so that the save game import feature could have tailor made Liara's dialogue and actions to fit each player's individual Shepard.

Not the vague and ambiguous nonsense we ended up with.

Liara DLC will rectify this!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think that's why the comic suffered.  Not that I think they should have turned it into a love fest (I agree, it wouldn't be fair), but that the writers had to be careful what they added, about Liara, about Shepard, since they had to avoid canon.  Thus, the focus had to be on action and biotic kung-fu, with little possibility for any meaningful character development.

Well yeah, that whole part sucked.

The comic was a good idea, but when you have to be that careful about stepping on toes, it might have just been better to scrap it altogether.


Exposition that should have been featured in game, so that the save game import feature could have tailor made Liara's dialogue and actions to fit each player's individual Shepard.

Not the vague and ambiguous nonsense we ended up with.

Liara DLC will rectify this!

I hope they get their crap together with the ME2-ME3 import system. And
make it cool. Not a bunch of emails. Grumblegrumble.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 23 juin 2010 - 04:48 .