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[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara DLC will rectify this!

The good thing about the DLC (if it comes!) is that the writers can now finally focus on Liara and her story.  I expect the quality to be better than in ME2, as the didn't have much time to work on her, having other priorities.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

When I feel that choosing to spare Fist has more of a tangible effect on ME2 than romancing Liara, you know they screwed up badly!

Or choosing to talk to Rebekkah and Micheal about the whole "in-utero gene therapy" thing.

[IndigoWolfe]

You know, this upcoming Leliana DLC has me wondering of the nature of any Liara DLC Bioware have planned.

Supposedly, you'll be playing as Leliana, fully disconnected from your Warden in any way. I wonder if this DLC is successful, Bioware will be making DLC that will have the player playing as Liara.

And if they do, I wonder if the player will be given the choice of her dialogue, or if her actions wouldn't be player controlled at all.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 23 juin 2010 - 04:54 .

[Crimmsonwind]

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T



But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara DLC will rectify this!

The good thing about the DLC (if it comes!) is that the writers can now finally focus on Liara and her story.  I expect the quality to be better than in ME2, as the didn't have much time to work on her, having other priorities.

Yup Walters is a human just lke we are, he made sure things that had to be done where doine first (Aria, TIM, Garrus, the story and the craptastic plot) and made sure all the characters where done. This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

[jlb524]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T

But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

Yes, Shepard does really matter...so much that Cerberus dropped billions of creds to resurrect her dead butt.

I think things that were emails in ME2 are going bye bye for ME3 (like, Chorban and the keeper scanning thing) and things that were supposed to be 'big choices' (Council, Rachni, etc.) will still have a role in ME3.  How big this role will be remains to be seen.

[pprrff]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

You know, this upcoming Leliana DLC has me wondering of the nature of any Liara DLC Bioware have planned.

Supposedly, you'll be playing as Leliana, fully disconnected from your Warden in any way. I wonder if this DLC is successful, Bioware will be making DLC that will have the player playing as Liara.

And if they do, I wonder if the player will be given the choice of her dialogue, or if her actions wouldn't be player controlled at all.

This actually makes sense in terms of trying to keep the plot consistant. You don't have to worry about the chronology of events, or who died or lived in the final mission. I think there will be a choice, like what they did for bring down the sky. There will be a default outcome of people who skipped this dlc, and then maybe a slight better outcome you can choose.

[kraidy1117]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T

But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

? I think you are confused Crimms it was the small chices that gave you emails, the choices like the council, Wrex, virmire just changed dialog or a diffrent experince (meeting the council is alot more fun and better then just meeting Anderson)

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

No, she wasn't...that's obvious.  She was swept under the rug (along with Ash and Kaidan) to be used at a later date.

I just hope this 'later date' happens soon!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T

But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

Yes, Shepard does really matter...so much that Cerberus dropped billions of creds to resurrect her dead butt.

I think things that were emails in ME2 are going bye bye for ME3 (like, Chorban and the keeper scanning thing) and things that were supposed to be 'big choices' (Council, Rachni, etc.) will still have a role in ME3.  How big this role will be remains to be seen.

The only choices that will infect the Reaper war is the council decsion, Wrex, Rachni, Geth and Quarian, Genophage and the collector Base. Thats the only decisions that will infect the war or they should, it's easy to say do this.

Default Shepard:

killed Counil
Kept Base
Killed Wrex
Kept Genophage cure
Showed the Quarians the evidence
rewrote the Geth

This makes it poseable for a default Shepard to beat the game, but it won't be enjoyable compared to someone who has played ME and ME2. Those choices should impct the war, but knowing Bioware, it won't.

[bjdbwea]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

You know, this upcoming Leliana DLC has me wondering of the nature of any Liara DLC Bioware have planned.

Supposedly, you'll be playing as Leliana, fully disconnected from your Warden in any way. I wonder if this DLC is successful, Bioware will be making DLC that will have the player playing as Liara.

And if they do, I wonder if the player will be given the choice of her dialogue, or if her actions wouldn't be player controlled at all.

Yeah, I wondered the same. All I know is that I won't buy the Leliana DLC, and I wouldn't buy a similar Liara DLC either. For this fan, it's not enough that the name of my favourite characters is on a product.

[Crimmsonwind]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T

But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

? I think you are confused Crimms it was the small chices that gave you emails, the choices like the council, Wrex, virmire just changed dialog or a diffrent experince (meeting the council is alot more fun and better then just meeting Anderson)

True. -.- I don't mean huge things, though. Like, I thought the Scanning the Keepers was a pretty big deal. Nobody had ever done that before! And then you get an email... telling you what you already knew. But then you had the above example with Rebecca or however you spelled it, and you see them trying to buy something for the child. I liked that.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

You know, this upcoming Leliana DLC has me wondering of the nature of any Liara DLC Bioware have planned.

Supposedly, you'll be playing as Leliana, fully disconnected from your Warden in any way. I wonder if this DLC is successful, Bioware will be making DLC that will have the player playing as Liara.

And if they do, I wonder if the player will be given the choice of her dialogue, or if her actions wouldn't be player controlled at all.

Yeah, I wondered the same. All I know is that I won't buy the Leliana DLC, and I wouldn't buy a similar Liara DLC either. For this fan, it's not enough that the name of my favourite characters is on a product.

ME is not about Liara

[kraidy1117]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, it was a real treat to hear that little things I did carried over. But some of the bigger things got nothing but emails. They'll probably come up again in ME3, so we're probably complaining for nothing, but still. T_T

But then I feel bad a bout complaining. Shiala makes that comment about "why can't yesterdays problems simply be done" or something along those lines, and I'm like, you know what? You're right. But wtf. I'm Shepard. I MATTER in this world.

? I think you are confused Crimms it was the small chices that gave you emails, the choices like the council, Wrex, virmire just changed dialog or a diffrent experince (meeting the council is alot more fun and better then just meeting Anderson)

True. -.- I don't mean huge things, though. Like, I thought the Scanning the Keepers was a pretty big deal. Nobody had ever done that before! And then you get an email... telling you what you already knew. But then you had the above example with Rebecca or however you spelled it, and you see them trying to buy something for the child. I liked that.

I played a default Shepard and I hated it, just did't feel right. Yes our choices did't change ME2 that much but it was the dialog diffrences, the cameos, the little things that I lvoed and felt like this was my true story. The only crappy cameos where the ME LI and that's because they where not Biowares main focus.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

No, she wasn't...that's obvious.  She was swept under the rug (along with Ash and Kaidan) to be used at a later date.

I just hope this 'later date' happens soon!

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded the sweeping-under-the-rug if the implementation wasn't so G-D-F'n horrible.  Saying that the ME1 love interests were not a main concern isn't an excuse for the terrible writing.  I mean.... they were in one scene.  ONE SCENE!  Would it have killed them to make sure their fans were happy with that single appearance?

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

No, she wasn't...that's obvious.  She was swept under the rug (along with Ash and Kaidan) to be used at a later date.

I just hope this 'later date' happens soon!

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded the sweeping-under-the-rug if the implementation wasn't so G-D-F'n horrible.  Saying that the ME1 love interests were not a main concern isn't an excuse for the terrible writing.  I mean.... they were in one scene.  ONE SCENE!  Would it have killed them to make sure their fans were happy with that single appearance?

Walters had the comic, the story, the main plot, Aria, TIM, Wrex, Garrus, had to make sure all the characters where done. That is more importent then the ME LI, it's sad but true. LI are a sie part of the game.

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Will the genophage, quarians, and geth choices have a big effect, though? In ME1, Wrex, the Rachni and Council choices were all mandatory. You can skip all of those ME2 choices. The only ME2 choice that is mandatory is the Collector base.

Of course, that could mean that certain default choices are made if you skipped them. I doubt that those who RPed their Shepards as actively avoiding certain loyalty missions would appreciate decisions being made in their stead, though.

I hope Liara gets the attention she deserves soon! It sucks that she was largely ignored in ME2.

Geth and Quarians have to play a huge part in the final battle. Way too much forshadow. Am I the only one who reads the mission complete summaries?

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded the sweeping-under-the-rug if the implementation wasn't so G-D-F'n horrible.  Saying that the ME1 love interests were not a main concern isn't an excuse for the terrible writing.  I mean.... they were in one scene.  ONE SCENE!  Would it have killed them to make sure their fans were happy with that single appearance?

I don't know, perhaps they did not want us to be happy?  This is the 'troubled second act' of the romance afterall.  We are supposed to be heartbroken and crushed just like out Shepards.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think though that whilst Liara's actual screentime in ME2 is minimal, her actual role in the story is huge. Without her, there would be no Lazarus Project, and no Shepard. Without Liara, Shepard's corpse would have been Collector/Reaper fodder.

In that respect, she hasn't been swept under the rug.

Well, yeah, she's still there and she's still important, I meant she was 'swept under the rug' in the sense that her character was very low on the priority totem pole at BW for ME2.

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think though that whilst Liara's actual screentime in ME2 is minimal, her actual role in the story is huge. Without her, there would be no Lazarus Project, and no Shepard. Without Liara, Shepard's corpse would have been Collector/Reaper fodder.

In that respect, she hasn't been swept under the rug.

That was the point of the cmoic. People think the comic was about why Liara is how she is now, it's now. It was how Cerberus got Shepard back and how much of a friend Liara was. Liara was the only one who go look for Shepard, regardless of romance or not. This was the starting point for her change tho. That's the point of the comic, if you look at the comic by that point, the comic is alot better, it's still crap but a diffrent point of view makes it better.