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[Crimmsonwind]

jlb524 wrote...
I don't know, perhaps they did not want us to be happy?  This is the 'troubled second act' of the romance afterall.  We are supposed to be heartbroken and crushed just like out Shepards.

Well if that's the case, they are succeeding indeed. T_T

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Geth and Quarians have to play a huge part in the final battle. Way too much forshadow. Am I the only one who reads the mission complete summaries?

That's not the point. The point is that those choices are completely avoidable, unlike the Rachni, Wrex and the Council. Will players who had their Shepards avoid these missions in ME2 appreciate choices being made for them? It kills immersion and destroys the notion that your choices matter.

So that means choices matter = kills immersion for peopel who did complete the stuff? If you skip stuff it bites you in the ass. I am getting sick and tired of the but someone else did not do it. I don't care anymore. ME3 will either be a masterpeiace, a good game or a epic fail. Just like like, there is bad choices, and there should be bad choices. You killed the Rachni? You lose some people.You did't do the Geth and Quarian thing? You lose there support ect. It's simple as that. Yopu can make a default Shepard that is enjoyable but not a happy ending and give the fans, the ones that got Bioware this far there reward.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

From a story perspective though, she's still absolutely vital. She will also have a large role in ME3, I feel. I think this will be accompanied with a squadmate role and massive amounts of screentime.

Yeah, supposedly, that is why she was swept under the rug in ME2...b/c her character is sooooo important to ME3.  That's what CHud said, at least.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

Hmmm...I've seen tons of people move on from Liara, many for either Tali or Miranda (just a few for Jack).  I haven't seen many FemShep players move on from her, just one or two who picked Garrus.

This has been answered already, but I agree with the answer that that is simply because there is no real f/f squadmate romance in ME2 for many Liara romancers to get their "hawut lezzy sexxy". If there was, it would have easily been equal between the maleshep and femshep ditch Liara rate ME2.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 23 juin 2010 - 05:27 .

[ratzerman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

No, she wasn't...that's obvious.  She was swept under the rug (along with Ash and Kaidan) to be used at a later date.

I just hope this 'later date' happens soon!

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded the sweeping-under-the-rug if the implementation wasn't so G-D-F'n horrible.  Saying that the ME1 love interests were not a main concern isn't an excuse for the terrible writing.  I mean.... they were in one scene.  ONE SCENE!  Would it have killed them to make sure their fans were happy with that single appearance?

Walters had the comic, the story, the main plot, Aria, TIM, Wrex, Garrus, had to make sure all the characters where done. That is more importent then the ME LI, it's sad but true. LI are a sie part of the game.

Well...  the comic, story, and the main plot were a complete joke too.  But, hey... Aria was pretty cool. 
So I'll give him that.

Modifié par ratzerman, 23 juin 2010 - 05:31 .

[Crimmsonwind]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, supposedly, that is why she was swept under the rug in ME2...b/c her character is sooooo important to ME3.  That's what CHud said, at least.

If they're going to bring back any former squadmate, which I think they will, then Liara is the best candidate. There is reason to be optimistic, however slightly!

Well, since you pretty much tell TIM to screw off at the end of ME2, do you think that the Alliance will accept you back in? Or at least give you their support? Because then you could also get back your Virmire survivor. It also might help your cause if you passed that Cerberus info along to the Alliance. And then there's the whole "reinstating your Spectre status thing..." 

I wonder if we'll run into another spectre. Hopefully one that isn't rogue.

[ratzerman]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I don't know, perhaps they did not want us to be happy?  This is the 'troubled second act' of the romance afterall.  We are supposed to be heartbroken and crushed just like out Shepards.

Well if that's the case, they are succeeding indeed. T_T

It would've been nice if they could have figured out a way to give us the troubled second act without resorting to making Shepard into an emotionless mannequin during the reunion scenes.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

ratzerman wrote...

It would've been nice if they could have figured out a way to give us the troubled second act without resorting to making Shepard into an emotionless mannequin during the reunion scenes.

That would have required A) Effort and Some sort of impact on the game. As I managed to predict when I first heard they were downsizing their role, Bioware couldnt be bothered to put either into their cameos.

Thats why, after being subjected to that, I think its unacceptable for them to be anything less than squadmates in ME3. Otherwise what was the point other than being lazy and taking the easy route out?

[jlb524]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Well, since you pretty much tell TIM to screw off at the end of ME2, do you think that the Alliance will accept you back in? Or at least give you their support? Because then you could also get back your Virmire survivor. It also might help your cause if you passed that Cerberus info along to the Alliance. And then there's the whole "reinstating your Spectre status thing..." 

I wonder if we'll run into another spectre. Hopefully one that isn't rogue.

I think this is what will happen...Shepard will either be working for the Alliance or for Cerberus in ME3.  I wonder if Shepard does work for the Alliance, if they will 'steal' the Cerberus Normandy :innocent:

Having some Spectres on Shepards side would also be awesome!

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I dont think Shepard should work for the alliance in ME3. Or the council. Or cerberus. The first two publicly discredited Shepard saying he was probably delusional or something. Cerberus also just used Shepard for their own agenda.



Since you could tell the council where to shove it in ME2, I want the option to do the same to the alliance, and to have both decisions be recognised. Shepards to important a figure now for titles like Commander or Spectre to make much difference.



Well, maybe. Bioware did pull that move of killing him to make their own lives and the lives of noobs easier, and I think ignoring it now would only make things worse.

[leeboi2]

God I wish Bioware had stayed with Microsoft for all of ME...At least they'd have freedom to do what they wanted then. (Bit off topic)

Modifié par leeboi2, 23 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[jlb524]

Someone needs to fund the mission...my Shepard is broke!

[leeboi2]

jlb524 wrote...

Someone needs to fund the mission...my Shepard is broke!

Haha, Celina Shepard'll fund you  PARADOX!!! But yeah, you can borrow some from me =D

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

Someone needs to fund the mission...my Shepard is broke!

No, nobody needs to fund the mission, or back it. Be careful with ideas like that, or *they* might try and sideline Liara in ME3 in such a fashion....

Seriously though, Shepard should have people running to him looking to support him come ME3. The reapers cant be a distant threat anymore, they need to be present, otherwise it will be nothing but an anti-climax. When it does, organisations like the Alliance or Council should be goveling to Shepard for any help, not making him an honourary errand boy again.

Shepard was dismissed, and while dead for two years, crapped on for conveniences sake to make the alliance and council look better. He shouldnt answer to anybody in ME3.

Edit: Wow, managed to mix up "you" and "they". Good times.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 23 juin 2010 - 06:00 .

[Crimmsonwind]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara and Ashley or Kaidan have clear recruitment missions, I feel.

For Liara, it's defeating the Shadow Broker and helping to ease her pain. For the surviving Alliance soldier, it's regaining their trust and by extension the trust of the Alliance and the Council, if they have become Spectres as I theorise.

I like that, I hope they do that.

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Seriously though, Shepard should have people running to him looking to support him come ME3. The reapers cant be a distant threat anymore, they need to be present, otherwise it will be nothing but an anti-climax. When it does, organisations like the Alliance or Council should be goveling to Shepard for any help, not making him an honourary errand boy again.

Shepard was dismissed, and while dead for two years, crapped on for conveniences sake to make the alliance and council look better. He shouldnt answer to anybody in ME3.

Edit: Wow, managed to mix up "you" and "they". Good times.

Right, if they go that route, organizations should be throwing money at Shepard.  I worry how they will go from 'Maverick Cerberus' Shepard to the Shepard that eveyone hails as the only person that could be the galactic savior and even if they will do this. 

As they left it at the end of ME2, my Shepard told TIM/Cerberus to get stuffed, and there were no inclinations that the Alliance/Council were ready to take her back or support her at least monetarily.   When the Reapers threat is evident, then these things will change, but until then, who will pay the crew salaries, keep them fed, buy fuel, etc.?

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This will be suicide to say this but Liara was not Biowares mkain concern.

No, she wasn't...that's obvious.  She was swept under the rug (along with Ash and Kaidan) to be used at a later date.

I just hope this 'later date' happens soon!

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded the sweeping-under-the-rug if the implementation wasn't so G-D-F'n horrible.  Saying that the ME1 love interests were not a main concern isn't an excuse for the terrible writing.  I mean.... they were in one scene.  ONE SCENE!  Would it have killed them to make sure their fans were happy with that single appearance?

Walters had the comic, the story, the main plot, Aria, TIM, Wrex, Garrus, had to make sure all the characters where done. That is more importent then the ME LI, it's sad but true. LI are a sie part of the game.

Well...  the comic, story, and the main plot were a complete joke too.  But, hey... Aria was pretty cool. 
So I'll give him that.

Story is in fact better then ME, look at the story without the plot, you will see the story is in fact better,the craptastic plot ruins it tho.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

Right, if they go that route, organizations should be throwing money at Shepard.  I worry how they will go from 'Maverick Cerberus' Shepard to the Shepard that eveyone hails as the only person that could be the galactic savior and even if they will do this. 

As they left it at the end of ME2, my Shepard told TIM/Cerberus to get stuffed, and there were no inclinations that the Alliance/Council were ready to take her back or support her at least monetarily.   When the Reapers threat is evident, then these things will change, but until then, who will pay the crew salaries, keep them fed, buy fuel, etc.?

Bioware, by reinstating a sane economy system whereby you get realistic rewards from doing people favours, can possibly sell equipment and resources, and generally not just waste money on the only two things you can buy in ME2: static and boring upgrades/armour pieces, and crappy souveniers.

Whoops, I forget that they may be entirely happy with their dumbed down (code named "streamlined") approach.

I certainly hope thats not the case. It got ridiculous in ME1, like a lot of things, whereby killing a rachni or thresher maw yielded tens of thousands of credits. Still, it was rewarding to recieve good sums of money for completing missions for powerful people. Its what I liked about Nassana in ME1. She sends you on a great mission, and you get well rewarded for it.

If there were ME2, shed send you into the next room to talk to her sister, and youd get a couple of thousand for the mission.....  *snore*

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 23 juin 2010 - 06:14 .

[kraidy1117]

ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.



ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.



Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.

ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.

Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.

ME story: Unravel a mystery spanning millions of years and engage in a race against time to stop the destruction of all advancecd organic life in the galaxy.

ME2 story: Compete a shopping list of teammates to go and stop the collectors from stealing humans from insignificant outer colonies.

Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.

(See what happens when you change the way things are phrased? Turns the whole thing around.)