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kraidy1117 wrote...
Modifié par Lizardviking, 23 juin 2010 - 06:21 .
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Bioware, by reinstating a sane economy system whereby you get realistic rewards from doing people favours, can possibly sell equipment and resources, and generally not just waste money on the only two things you can buy in ME2: static and boring upgrades/armour pieces, and crappy souveniers.
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.
ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.
Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.
ME story: Unravel a mystery spanning millions of years and engage in a race against time to stop the destruction of all advancecd organic life in the galaxy.
ME2 story: Compete a shopping list of teammates to go and stop the collectors from stealing humans from insignificant outer colonies.
Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.
(See what happens when you change the way things are phrased? Turns the whole thing around.)
Lizardviking wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Not to sound noobish. But whats the difrence between story and plot?
Think Smudboy explained it in his plot analysis. But I would like to hear from a second source.
"EDIT" Never mind! I know the answer now!
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
Sorry, but there's absolutely no way you can prove that. It's your opinion, so stop trying to pass it off as a fact.kraidy1117 wrote...
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.
ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.
Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.
ME story: Unravel a mystery spanning millions of years and engage in a race against time to stop the destruction of all advancecd organic life in the galaxy.
ME2 story: Compete a shopping list of teammates to go and stop the collectors from stealing humans from insignificant outer colonies.
Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.
(See what happens when you change the way things are phrased? Turns the whole thing around.)
Wrong, you are are a ME fanboy who refuses to see anything good about ME2. So how about you stay out of arguemnts if you can't stand people pointing out flaws of ME and things ME2 did better. ME story was your normal sci-fi story, it was nowhere near as complex as KOTOR, BG 1+2 and Jade Empire. If you did't wear your ME fanboy glass's you would know that ME2 did have a better story that is ruined by a terriable plot. Go ahead Dink, come on, insult me. I dare you too. Unlike you, I an argue without flaming someone and can point out flaws from both games and what each game improved, or are you just a great fan of Drew that you rather soak up his fantastic stories. Yes the twilring mustach TIM from Ascension would have been amazing. Learn the diffrence between a plot and story, then come and debate.
jlb524 wrote...
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Bioware, by reinstating a sane economy system whereby you get realistic rewards from doing people favours, can possibly sell equipment and resources, and generally not just waste money on the only two things you can buy in ME2: static and boring upgrades/armour pieces, and crappy souveniers.
Well...My Shep is broke now (she spent that extra 500 creds Liara gave her for the Observer quest on fish and a new toy ship) so I guess she'll have cut back salaries and Seargant Garnder will be serving nothing buy cheap ramen every day.
Oh, and ship repairs...who is funding the repair of the Normandy SR-2?
Worrywort wrote...
Sorry, but there's absolutely no way you can prove that. It's your opinion, so stop trying to pass it off as a fact.kraidy1117 wrote...
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.
ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.
Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.
ME story: Unravel a mystery spanning millions of years and engage in a race against time to stop the destruction of all advancecd organic life in the galaxy.
ME2 story: Compete a shopping list of teammates to go and stop the collectors from stealing humans from insignificant outer colonies.
Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.
(See what happens when you change the way things are phrased? Turns the whole thing around.)
Wrong, you are are a ME fanboy who refuses to see anything good about ME2. So how about you stay out of arguemnts if you can't stand people pointing out flaws of ME and things ME2 did better. ME story was your normal sci-fi story, it was nowhere near as complex as KOTOR, BG 1+2 and Jade Empire. If you did't wear your ME fanboy glass's you would know that ME2 did have a better story that is ruined by a terriable plot. Go ahead Dink, come on, insult me. I dare you too. Unlike you, I an argue without flaming someone and can point out flaws from both games and what each game improved, or are you just a great fan of Drew that you rather soak up his fantastic stories. Yes the twilring mustach TIM from Ascension would have been amazing. Learn the diffrence between a plot and story, then come and debate.
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
My Shepard is broke because she spent all of her money drinking after meeting up with Liara, and is depressed at not having her around.
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
Again, just your opinion. Nothing is better than anything else. I know I'm getting philosophical, but come on.kraidy1117 wrote...
Worrywort wrote...
Sorry, but there's absolutely no way you can prove that. It's your opinion, so stop trying to pass it off as a fact.kraidy1117 wrote...
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
ME story: Stop Saren and his army of Geth from finding the Conduit and finding out if the Reapers exist.
ME2 story: Build a team of the best, work with a terrorist group and find a way through the Omega 4-relay and find out why the Collectors are kidnapping Humans and do they work with the Reapers. It's a suicide mission.
Sorry, but ME2 story is WAY better then ME story, however ME2 proves that if it has a craptastic plot, the great story is ruined and overshadowed.
ME story: Unravel a mystery spanning millions of years and engage in a race against time to stop the destruction of all advancecd organic life in the galaxy.
ME2 story: Compete a shopping list of teammates to go and stop the collectors from stealing humans from insignificant outer colonies.
Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.
(See what happens when you change the way things are phrased? Turns the whole thing around.)
Wrong, you are are a ME fanboy who refuses to see anything good about ME2. So how about you stay out of arguemnts if you can't stand people pointing out flaws of ME and things ME2 did better. ME story was your normal sci-fi story, it was nowhere near as complex as KOTOR, BG 1+2 and Jade Empire. If you did't wear your ME fanboy glass's you would know that ME2 did have a better story that is ruined by a terriable plot. Go ahead Dink, come on, insult me. I dare you too. Unlike you, I an argue without flaming someone and can point out flaws from both games and what each game improved, or are you just a great fan of Drew that you rather soak up his fantastic stories. Yes the twilring mustach TIM from Ascension would have been amazing. Learn the diffrence between a plot and story, then come and debate.
Complex stories are better then basic ones. Big reason why I hate DAO story with a passion.
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Sorry but ME story is WAY better than ME2 Story.
kraidy1117 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Not to sound noobish. But whats the difrence between story and plot?
Think Smudboy explained it in his plot analysis. But I would like to hear from a second source.
"EDIT" Never mind! I know the answer now!
Plot is how it's put together, it's how it works, how the story devs. The story is the conflict and the goal and the point of what's happing. ME had a very basic story but had a strong plot. ME2 story was more complex and darker, but the plot was so bad that it ruined it.
That's the diffrence, I have just listed both stories and that's even how bioware has listed there stories, I don't care what fanboys like Dink say, they think ME is the best thing since slice bread and ME2 is just for teh shoota crowd.
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
My Shepard is broke because she spent all of her money drinking after meeting up with Liara, and is depressed at not having her around.
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Mithran! Where have you been, my friend? Still loving Liara? ;-)
... but won't be so bad. Yes still love Liara 
couldn't not love her! Though She has gone one down on my list of favorites and Ahsoka took her place lol. I really hope they bring something good out soon for Liara on MEII. Anything would be nice!
I think if it wasn't so focused on the Collectors, since they kind of came out of left field in the first place, it could have gone well. If it was more about the Reapers. I mean yeah, dealing with the collectors is by extension dealing with the reapers. But it didn't really feel that way to me.Lizardviking wrote...
As for wether or not ME2>ME1 in the story department I would say both "ideas" are great. It's just a pity that ME2's story is so poorly excecuted compared ti ME1. I think we once agreed on that "ME2 is a bunch of great ideas done terribly" or something like that.
Lizardviking wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Not to sound noobish. But whats the difrence between story and plot?
Think Smudboy explained it in his plot analysis. But I would like to hear from a second source.
"EDIT" Never mind! I know the answer now!
Plot is how it's put together, it's how it works, how the story devs. The story is the conflict and the goal and the point of what's happing. ME had a very basic story but had a strong plot. ME2 story was more complex and darker, but the plot was so bad that it ruined it.
That's the diffrence, I have just listed both stories and that's even how bioware has listed there stories, I don't care what fanboys like Dink say, they think ME is the best thing since slice bread and ME2 is just for teh shoota crowd.
I remember what the difrence was now.
As for wether or not ME2>ME1 in the story department I would say both "ideas" are great. It's just a pity that ME2's story is so poorly excecuted compared ti ME1. I think we once agreed on that "ME2 is a bunch of great ideas done terribly" or something like that.
A man can wish.
Fiannawolf wrote...
My biggest beef with ME2 is it didnt connect to ME1 as well as I would have liked. I like some of the improvements but would like to see some of the RPG aspects come back like "Dude wheres ma Credits, I is broke" More Armor costomization, more class skills (Maybe akin to Diablo's skill tree set up) MORE POST SUICIDE MISSION DLC!! *Fist of Rage to TIMs face* I HATE WORKING WITH YOU!!
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
jlb524 wrote...
Oh, forgot about that...the Normandy bar needs to be stocked as well!!!
Perhaps when Liara and Shepard take down the SB and his/her/its/their empire, they can take all of the SB's monetary resources and use it to fund the upcoming mission. It's got to be like a gagillion credits that the SB has....that should be enough to fund the mission for many many years!
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Oh, forgot about that...the Normandy bar needs to be stocked as well!!!
Perhaps when Liara and Shepard take down the SB and his/her/its/their empire, they can take all of the SB's monetary resources and use it to fund the upcoming mission. It's got to be like a gagillion credits that the SB has....that should be enough to fund the mission for many many years!
That's a fantastic idea, J! Good thinking.
I've long theorised that Liara will discover something in the Shadow Broker's databanks that will shine light on the Reapers, contain information on a Reaper weakpoint or perhaps allow organic life to exploit said weakness, but the monetary resources funding Shepard's mission in ME3, assuming that Shepard isn't allied to an organisation like in ME1 or 2? Makes sense.
Liara's major story role in ME3 has alot of potential!
kraidy1117 wrote...
Blame Drew for that, ME2 always had the Collector plans, that's Drews fault for not mentioning them in the first game but in the books only, plus there was still a connection. It's still about the Reapers, the Collectors are just the Reapers plan C or was it plan D?
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