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[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I happen to prefer ME1's system. Smaller squad, recruit all of them relatively early, and then their individual developments and possible romances progress simultaneously with the main story.

Absolutely. Liara, Ash, Kaidan, plus the romance with Tali and Garrus for people who care about that, plus Miranda and Jacob as new companions and romances. That would have been enough companions and enough time to give every one of them the attention they deserved and needed to be up to BioWare's previous standards. A lot went wrong already in the planning phase for ME 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 juin 2010 - 05:59 .

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd like to know a little more about Liara's past, though. I hope she recounts an experience on a remote and hostile digsite or something.

Perhaps a tale about her efforts to gain approval from her mother? Her commando biotics training (possibly by Shiala)?

[tonnactus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


Its far more sensible for humans to be an artificial race, since the game pretentiously sets them up as the only "dynamic" race there is, and their "genetic variance" is only matched by their "individuality". The game makes them out so often to be superior to the other races, and I think its not only insulting, but dumb as well.

To be fair,the humans are special crap was also in the first game and it exists in a lot of other sci fi movies and books.When talking with liara(short lifespan and a strong will/what about the salarians?) this come up too.

But Mass Effect Too go over board with this,thats true.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd like to know a little more about Liara's past, though. I hope she recounts an experience on a remote and hostile digsite or something.

Perhaps a tale about her efforts to gain approval from her mother? Her commando biotics training (possibly by Shiala)?

I hope we can get more information about her background. We know little aside for a few facts. Something I dislike about Liara as character.

[tonnactus]

kraidy1117 wrote...


All Sci-Fi  franchises always make humans the best, but unlike the the other franchises, at least Bioware goes into better detail and gives us a better explantation then saying humans where choosen! or my fav excuse, They are dominate!

??
Humans were not the best in Babylon 5. They lost a war against the minbari and vorlons/shadows were in an other league completly.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope we can get more information about her background. We know little aside for a few facts. Something I dislike about Liara as character.

gif is nicely done:P:P

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope we can get more information about her background. We know little aside for a few facts. Something I dislike about Liara as character.

Admit it. Liara has abseloutly no background stories. Unlike Garrus,Kaidan, Ashley, Wrex, Samara, Jack, Miranda ETC. The only things we know are some few facts. She's got a PH.D, She didn't get along with her mother and she sometimes stumbled upon mercs in ruins, and she is a pureblood and don't know her second parrent. The stories are there, but they are never expanded upon. And I think that as a character it's her biggest drawback.

[jtav]

With the exception of, ironically, Tali and Garrus, I don't think the ME2 team was any less developed than the ME team. I've been playing both games back to back and everyone (except ME2 Tali and Garrus) has the same amount of dialogue. It feels like the ME2 team has less dialogue because you can go through it faster.



I do think Liara suffered because if her potential late entry. A conversation about her past/life as Benezia's daughter would be welcome.

[jlb524]

Yes, we do need more Liara background stories.

No, we probably will never get them

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jtav wrote...


I do think Liara suffered because if her potential late entry. A conversation about her past/life as Benezia's daughter would be welcome.

This is the only thing i'm asking for. If they do that then I would be a happy lizard.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

bjd, would you share mine and other's opinion that Liara's romance in ME1 suffered somewhat because her entry point into the story was not set in stone? Consequently, they had to limit the number of Liara romance conversations in order to implement it into the game's narrative. This results in Liara's romance feeling a little more brief compared to Ashley and Kaidan's.

Hmm, I don't know. To me they feel more or less equal in length. Does Ash really have more romance conversations? But most importantly, I think that the romances are long enough, and sufficiently deep. Of course we always want more, but after playing through ME 1 for the first time, I was amazed and content with the content.

If there's one thing at all I didn't like regarding Liara in ME 1, it's that the same "I feel lightheaded" conversation occurs twice.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

With the exception of, ironically, Tali and Garrus, I don't think the ME2 team was any less developed than the ME team. I've been playing both games back to back and everyone (except ME2 Tali and Garrus) has the same amount of dialogue. It feels like the ME2 team has less dialogue because you can go through it faster.

I do think Liara suffered because if her potential late entry. A conversation about her past/life as Benezia's daughter would be welcome.

I agree with this.  Maybe I shouldn't say, 'more squad mates mean less dialog', but should be criticizing the structure of it, and how it wasn't tied to the plot at all and how, IMO, some characterizations felt weaker.

[WilliamShatner]

jtav wrote...

With the exception of, ironically, Tali and Garrus, I don't think the ME2 team was any less developed than the ME team. I've been playing both games back to back and everyone (except ME2 Tali and Garrus) has the same amount of dialogue. It feels like the ME2 team has less dialogue because you can go through it faster.

I do think Liara suffered because if her potential late entry. A conversation about her past/life as Benezia's daughter would be welcome.

The ME2 crew don't develop at at all.  They are all the same at the end of the game as they are when you pick them up (except for Grunt, who regresses from an fairly interesting character to a one note "I want to kill" block of wood).  Backstory ≠ development.

[Marcin K]

WilliamShatner wrote...

[*not important in that context*]

your avy william made me jump out of my skin again william, cos i thought that's STANLEY WOO (again...)

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Agreed. Once was enough, I felt. I get that they were trying to emphasise that the visions burned into Shepard's mind via the Prothean beacons were incredibly intense, but they did not need to have Liara fainting every single time. It just gives ammunition to the people who wrongly claim that Liara is weak.

I don't mind the repetition, it's understandable, but it was the exact same sentences from Liara and Shepard. Something like that shouldn't happen, it breaks the immersion.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Oh, and I too was completely blown away by Liara's romance the first time I played the game. Loved it!

Absolutely. The first time I played through the game, I knew nothing about it. Didn't know the progress in the romances depends on the progress in the main story (great concept, too bad they threw that away too). I already feared the romance was somehow broken. I was very glad when Liara finally talked to my Shepard again!

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 juin 2010 - 06:39 .

[jtav]

Suffice to say I disagree strongly with WilliamShatner, but that fight belongs on another thread.



I wonder what Liara would be like as a parent?

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I wonder what Liara would be like as a parent?

I think she would be a very loving parent, but would be stern when needed.

I just had a dream about Liara and my Shepard adopting children the other night.  They were adopting b/c Liara was too young to have one of her own (in my dream this was true, at least).  They adopted a human and an asari baby.  There was a lot of cuteness.

Modifié par jlb524, 24 juin 2010 - 06:47 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I still maintain that the asari do not need to be in the Matron stage to conceive children, but that's a debate for another time.

I also think thats true. It's just that in the matron stage they get the urge to do it. But if they wish to have child before entering the matron stage, they can do it.