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[jlb524]

We can still adopt a human baby!!



Hmmm...I like that idea. A poor Earthborn orphan..just like my Shepard.

[ratzerman]

Greetings, fellow Liara fans. Work has kept me away from this, the most awesome of all forum threads.

I am so sorry.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Greetings, fellow Liara fans. Work has kept me away from this, the most awesome of all forum threads.
I am so sorry.

Sorry doesn't cut it, buddy!

[ratzerman]

*Throws hands in the air*



OH NOES! Don't shoot me, Liara. Kiss me!

[ratzerman]

Sigh.... that's much better.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I also think thats true. It's just that in the matron stage they get the urge to do it. But if they wish to have child before entering the matron stage, they can do it.

Yep. All the codex states is that the Matron stage is when the asari begin to experience biological urges to settle down and have children. It says nothing about it being the only period when childbirth is possible.

Argh! I said I wasn't going to start this debate! So....Liara is awesome, yes?

In order to kickstart a new discussion.

One thing thats bugging me with all romances is the fact that they treat you the same way no matter how P/R you are. So I always wondered why does Liara fall in love with a renegade shepard? Perhaps if the Shepard in question is a earthborn or colonist, she might pity him/her (she did feel sorry for Saren after all). And genuily believes there's a good person deep inside after all, and she hopes too bring that out.

If thats the case. Then the (possible) ability to make Liara renegade in ME3 will then further show the similarities between Renegade Shepard/Saren. Benezia joined up with Saren in hope to have him go down a gentler path, but ultimativly her plan backfires/Liara falls in love with Shepard and hopes to change them into a better person, only to find herself be the one changed

Discuss?

[jlb524]

This screen shot







Looks like the same one they used in that OXM article way back in January.

You know, the one in which it was finally revealed that no ME1 LIs would be recruitable in ME2 b/c they are so important.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
In order to kickstart a new discussion.

One thing thats bugging me with all romances is the fact that they treat you the same way no matter how P/R you are. So I always wondered why does Liara fall in love with a renegade shepard? Perhaps if the Shepard in question is a earthborn or colonist, she might pity him/her (she did feel sorry for Saren after all). And genuily believes there's a good person deep inside after all, and she hopes too bring that out.

If thats the case. Then the (possible) ability to make Liara renegade in ME3 will then further show the similarities between Renegade Shepard/Saren. Benezia joined up with Saren in hope to have him go down a gentler path, but ultimativly her plan backfires/Liara falls in love with Shepard and hopes to change them into a better person, only to find herself be the one changed

Discuss?

That's quite an interesting theory and perspective, Lizard. The only thing I have a problem with is the fact that Benezia only changed due to indoctrination, and became the person we see in ME1 completely unwillingly. With Liara, she isn't being indoctrinated or brainwashed at all, and if she goes Renegade or villainous it would be of her own free will. I'm not sure I like Shepard exerting so much influence over Liara that she would "change" either. If they do go down the route of Shepard being able to influence Liara's alignment in ME3, as I believe, I'd prefer it if Shepard merely makes Renegade suggestions to Liara, and presents it in a more positive and effective light. That way, Liara would make her own choice to go "Renegade", and it wouldn't be Shepard controlling her at all.

She's a much better and more independant character than that.

I know Benezia case was due to indoctrination. It's just the general idea of "Trying to steer someone away from a path darkness, only to go down that path yourself". As for Shepard make Liara go renegade. Shepard is still a pretty charasmatic person who can easily manipulate people if he wishes too.

But your right about not making it look like Liara is Shepard little pet or something.

[jlb524]

I prefer some romances to be unavailable if you are too Paragon/Renegade to the idea that a person is open to romance with any Shepard, but can change alignment to match theirs.



I don't mind the idea of Liara being sympathetic to a Renegade, or even loving them for their better qualities, but I don't like the idea of them corrupting and changing her completely. I don't have a problem with Shepard exerting small amounts of influence over Liara (likewise, Liara over Shepard) as that is inevitable in relationships. I just hate complete 180 changes.

[Homebound]

I never liked Liara tbh...The only reason she's alive in my game is because I disliked Ashley more.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

This screen shot

Looks like the same one they used in that OXM article way back in January.
You know, the one in which it was finally revealed that no ME1 LIs would be recruitable in ME2 b/c they are so important.

Yeah it does, and yeah I remember the one. That was a very.... annoying time. Bioware clearly had been sitting on that reveal of information for months, evading the question with non-answers, finally revealing the truth a few scant months before release.

What I said then still applies, if they dont make it worthwhile in ME3, they can say goodbye to ever getting any of my money again.

[OrbitalWings]

Just_mike wrote...

I never liked Liara tbh...The only reason she's alive in my game is because I disliked Ashley more.

Wow.....you actually think that's going to get a response here?

We're not so rabid that we'll attack for amusement.

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Just_mike wrote...

I never liked Liara tbh...The only reason she's alive in my game is because I disliked Ashley more.

Then you are proberly happy that since ME3 is the end of the trilogy, there's a good chance that everyone can die.

Which is good if you hate a character. It's the reason the suicide mission so bloody great. Finally getting rid of Jack and Thane.

[bjdbwea]

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing thats bugging me with all romances is the fact that they treat you the same way no matter how P/R you are. So I always wondered why does Liara fall in love with a renegade shepard?

The obvious answer is that BioWare didn't want to implement the additional stuff for P/R reactions. BG 2 had it, so it's not a new concept to them. But the approach that lead to ME 2 being as it is, already influenced ME 1 too. But of course, to their defense, now with the need to record every line, compromises have to be made.

From a story perspective, I think even a truly renegade Shepard isn't really evil (in most occasions), like you could be in BG 2. The game still forces you to act like a soldier fighting for a just cause. So it's not too far-fetched that a paragon character could fall in love even with a renegade Shepard.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 juin 2010 - 07:41 .

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bjdbwea wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing thats bugging me with all romances is the fact that they treat you the same way no matter how P/R you are. So I always wondered why does Liara fall in love with a renegade shepard?

The obvious answer is that BioWare didn't want to implement the additional stuff for P/R reactions. BG 2 had it, so it's not a new concept to them. But the approach that lead to ME 2 being as it is, already influenced ME 1 too. But of course, to their defense, now with the need to record every line, compromises have to be made.

From a story perspective, I think even a truly renegade Shepard isn't really evil (in most occasions), like you could be in BG 2. The game still forces you to act like a soldier fighting for a just cause. So it's not too far-fetched that a paragon character would fall in love with a renegade Shepard.

The only case I remember in ME series when it came to a diffrent reaction depending on P/R is with Kaidan and Samara. kaidan will you not to cut corners, Samara will say she has no romantic feelings for you whatsoever if your renegade.

[jlb524]

Shavon wrote...

Anyway, I really like J's idea about having certain romances closed off depending on the alignment of the PC. That might be a bit too complicated for ME, though, at the rate things are going.

Yeah, but bjdbwea makes a good point, that it would be harder to have all these branching paths given the amount of dialog that would need to be recorded.  BG2 didn't ffeature fully recorded dialog, so they could do more with it.