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[Jarcander]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Oh yes, that two-dialogue-line tree for the loose. I like this edited version a lot better.

[bjdbwea]

This is more or less what Shepard should have said right there:

"Liara, listen... You did the right thing. Cerberus may use me. But I'm on a very important mission that I can do only with their help. No one else seems to be willing or able to do what must be done. If you hadn't helped to bring me back, all could be lost, and our defeat of Saren and Sovereign would've been for nothing. I wish it wasn't so, but apparently I'm the one who has to act again. And I will.

I won't lie to you. This mission could be my death, again. But there's something I want to tell you before I go. If I had a choice in the matter, I would never have left you for two weeks, let alone two years. When I... died... my last thought was hoping that you're safe. And then everything went dark. When I woke up in that damn Cerberus station, you were among my first clear thoughts. They may have implanted a few new bits and pieces... but my heart has not changed. That's it. I don't know if this means anything to you still, and you don't have to answer. But I had to tell you before I go."

Or something like that.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 09 mars 2010 - 12:27 .

[Jarcander]

bjdbwea wrote...

This is more or less what Shepard should have said right there:

*snip*

Or something like that.

Pretty much spot on, but Bioware wouldn't accept monologue that long. What I would give for DAO modding tools for Mass Effect...

[JaylaClark]

Jarcander wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Oh yes, that two-dialogue-line tree for the loose. I like this edited version a lot better.

I've said it before, but it taunts me just sitting there with a totally nonexistent option in that space.

I mean, 'I'm not' is perfectly fine -- if you're one of the people whose romantic interest gave you the metaphorical finger already at Horizon, that is.  But it's ... I'm shifting into oversensitive hyperbole mode and I can't help it, because my LiLi is sitting there saying that she loves me, or words to that effect -- stronger words than she's said to date, if I recall correctly, though one wonders what they've said offscreen, it really doesn't matter, we haven't seen it -- and I can't say "I love you" back at least as strongly?

Though let's be fair, here, even with the e-mail that the Ash and Kaidan romancers got, none of the LIs got a very good representation here.  And I'll continue on with my theory that it was just getting pressed to put the game out so soon that did it to everyone, along with the plot of course.  (Which I finally finished, and remind me to find the appropriate thread to vent about how many times I actually flipped off the TV screen for the ending's fake-outs?  But that's another story.)

Still, there really wasn't much of an opportunity for anyone to get decent screen time that didn't join the mission, except for maybe Wrex.  As for joining the mission ...well I WOULD say it's silly to have a significant other involved in a so-called suicide mission, but this is a BioWare game.  (Check that -- it's an RPG.  I'm pretty sure Square Enix and a few other companies will throw fraternization out the window as well .)  Still, I get the weird sensation that that was where BW was going with that, which, as a staunch supporter of all original squad members, I feel damn sorry for Tali and Garrus if that's what they were thinking.  They should've held off the Talimancers and ... what ever Garrus's romance supporters are called ... at least until the end of the second game -- or made it beyond the impossible to have either of them die.  (Though in my playthrough, despite them not being ideal, I just took the two of them with me.  So there.)

[Jarcander]

JaylaClark wrote...

I mean, 'I'm not' is perfectly fine -- if you're one of the people whose romantic interest gave you the metaphorical finger already at Horizon, that is.  But it's ... I'm shifting into oversensitive hyperbole mode and I can't help it, because my LiLi is sitting there saying that she loves me, or words to that effect -- stronger words than she's said to date, if I recall correctly, though one wonders what they've said offscreen, it really doesn't matter, we haven't seen it -- and I can't say "I love you" back at least as strongly?

It would've been easier to fit in more romantic lines for Liara than to other old LI's. The whole thing feels as if they had simply cut that out of the game. It could've been that they felt Liara romancers would get a special treatment to those who had selected Ash/Kaidan so maybe they just decided to leave them all out instead.

JaylaClark wrote...

Still, there really wasn't much of an opportunity for anyone to get decent screen time that didn't join the mission, except for maybe Wrex.  As for joining the mission ...well I WOULD say it's silly to have a significant other involved in a so-called suicide mission, but this is a BioWare game.  (Check that -- it's an RPG.  I'm pretty sure Square Enix and a few other companies will throw fraternization out the window as well .)  Still, I get the weird sensation that that was where BW was going with that, which, as a staunch supporter of all original squad members, I feel damn sorry for Tali and Garrus if that's what they were thinking.  They should've held off the Talimancers and ... what ever Garrus's romance supporters are called ... at least until the end of the second game -- or made it beyond the impossible to have either of them die.  (Though in my playthrough, despite them not being ideal, I just took the two of them with me.  So there.)

Would you speculate that Garrus and Tali be supporting characters in ME3 due to their greater role in ME2? As much as not having ME LI in the second game is bad, it also gives them immunity to certain plot devices and almost certain pass to the final episode of this trilogy.

[JPfanner]

I just finished my latest ME1 playthrough so I'm all stuffed with Liara goodness. I guess some people would consider it silly to keep playing through and each time always being a Paragonish Femshep who falls for Liara. But my Shepard's story in ME1 is like a favorite book, movie, or fairy tale and it never gets old for me.

It was a bit bittersweet though listening to her again on Ilos, with her enthusiasm for the knowledge of the place, and so desperately wanting to come back. I just wanted to hug her and say, "Some day Liara."

As an aside, I was reading through the codex in ME1 again and I hadn't noticed that salarians were haplodiploid before (like bees and ants). That was kind of interesting, it means that salarian males don't have a father and can't have sons. All their genetic information comes from their mother. So asari are hardly the only major species to vary from human reproductive/gender strategy.

[Phen0m20]

Jarcander wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Oh yes, that two-dialogue-line tree for the loose. I like this edited version a lot better.

Does anyone know what happens when you choose the bottom option? I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

[Jarcander]

Phen0m20 wrote...

Does anyone know what happens when you choose the bottom option? I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

*shrug* I haven't the slightest clue. Maybe Shep will rage on about how she should've let him die or something?

[Eddie-Hawke]

Phen0m20 wrote...

Does anyone know what happens when you choose the bottom option? I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

You yell at her. Something like: All this time it wasn't your sources, you knowingly gave me to Cerberus. You did this to me!
And Liara says: And if I hadn't, you would have been dead!

That's about it.

[stormrain]

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

Phen0m20 wrote...

Does anyone know what happens when you choose the bottom option? I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

You yell at her. Something like: All this time it wasn't your sources, you knowingly gave me to Cerberus. You did this to me!
And Liara says: And if I hadn't, you would have been dead!

That's about it.

In script, it's not much. But I remember choosing that option out of curiosity to see what would happen. I immediatley regretted it.

I don't know what it's like with FemShep's voice, but I was taken aback by how angry and forceful ManShep's voice sounded with that line. And Liara's heartbroken cry of defense made me like a complete jerk afterwards.

[Eddie-Hawke]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

Phen0m20 wrote...

Does anyone know what happens when you choose the bottom option? I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

You yell at her. Something like: All this time it wasn't your sources, you knowingly gave me to Cerberus. You did this to me!
And Liara says: And if I hadn't, you would have been dead!

That's about it.

In script, it's not much. But I remember choosing that option out of curiosity to see what would happen. I immediatley regretted it.

I don't know what it's like with FemShep's voice, but I was taken aback by how angry and forceful ManShep's voice sounded with that line. And Liara's heartbroken cry of defense made me like a complete jerk afterwards.

FemShep sounded quite pissed. I regretted it as well, it was kind of just senseless rage

[Driveninhifi]

bjdbwea wrote...

This is more or less what Shepard should have said right there:

"Liara, listen... You did the right thing. Cerberus may use me. But I'm on a very important mission that I can do only with their help. No one else seems to be willing or able to do what must be done. If you hadn't helped to bring me back, all could be lost, and our defeat of Saren and Sovereign would've been for nothing. I wish it wasn't so, but apparently I'm the one who has to act again. And I will.

I won't lie to you. This mission could be my death, again. But there's something I want to tell you before I go. If I had a choice in the matter, I would never have left you for two weeks, let alone two years. When I... died... my last thought was hoping that you're safe. And then everything went dark. When I woke up in that damn Cerberus station, you were among my first clear thoughts. They may have implanted a few new bits and pieces... but my heart has not changed. That's it. I don't know if this means anything to you still, and you don't have to answer. But I had to tell you before I go."

Or something like that.

I understand what you are going for, but that's waaaay too wordy. Think about how short every dialogue line is in the game.

What was really needed was "And now I'm here, what does that mean?" It's something they don't touch on at all - she couldn't let Shepard go and has spent 2 years avenging him/her. But what does Shepard's RETURN mean to her? It must mean a whole lot, but they probably didn't go into it because they wanted the player to be unsure of their previous relationship. Although there's really no doubt Liara still loves Shepard.

Really, a far more natural response would be a kiss, and a promise to return to her once the Collectors are dealt with.

Although I still find it very unbelievable that Shepard can't attempt to convince her to come AFTER she's explained about the body. "You don't need to avenge me, I'm alive. But the Collectors ARE killing my people. I need you."

[Shadowcat101]

Said I would post this here too.

[Slakky]

^^^^This

[mione]

Shadowcat nice work  it made me blush 

I wish Bioware would as much love to Liara as her fans do 

[jlb524]

JPfanner wrote...

 I guess some people would consider it silly to keep playing through and each time always being a Paragonish Femshep who falls for Liara. But my Shepard's story in ME1 is like a favorite book, movie, or fairy tale and it never gets old for me.

I don't think it's silly!  I pretty much did the same thing in all my ME1 playthroughs (I have tons of different FemSheps...most were Paragon and all romanced Liara).

I have one Renegade that romanced her though (in my sig).  I imported this Shepard and only one Paragon into ME2 (I don't feel the need to play through with all the other Paragons...I'm not going to play ME2 as much as ME1).

[Driveninhifi]

So if we do get DLC involving taking out the Shadow Broker I'm curious as to how they will delay the big romantic reunion to ME3.



I'm not sure how they can do it and make it at all believable, unless there's some 3rd party conspiring against them. To make any sense, Liara would want to rejoin Shepard as soon as she can. Once the Shadow Broker is gone, there's nothing preventing that. Either they have to push the Shadow Broker to ME3, or have some sort of blackmail.



The interaction is already hard enough to believe - I'm not sure how much further they can go without it really entering eye-roll territory. But hopefully the 4th comic will shed some light on her motivations.

[PandemicFear]

Why does she have eyebrows? Other asari don't. (I'm sure it has been asked before, but I don't have time to go through 158 pages.)