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[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't know...I don't think they did a good job clarifying Liara's reasons for going after the SB.  I think it's more than just about Shepard and Feron.  I think she knows something about the SB that we don't yet.

Exactly that is my point the reasons the in the way that they are presented doesn't make much sense.

Yeah, I honestly think that this is all the Liara DLC will do...clarify this whole SB/Liara business that was presented so terribly in ME2.  I don't really expect romance content.

The DLC also has to lead into ME3 (or so they hint at), thus Liara and Shepard may not defeat the SB in the DLC, but the SB will be set up as a villian to later be defeated in ME3.  I would prefer this, as I don't think the destruction of the SB and its empire should be handled in a 5 hr DLC.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, I think it's more because it's now become her life. It's more then just a puzzle to solve. For 2 years, it's been eat, sleep, run a business, search for Feron, hunt the Shadow Broker, Shepard's dead. And repeat. Then Shepard just comes back from the dead, and tells her to drop everything, and come with him. The answer of course is no, because this is her life now, and Shepard's screwing with that for simply being alive.

I don't think that's the reason because in ME1 was exactly this what happened and she didin't show big problem in leaving her old life behind, and that was her life for a much longer time than this new one life as information broker. 

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

Thus, she didn't drop everything for Shepard. She was still learning about the Protheans, dealing with her mother, hiding from Saren, etc.

[jlb524]

Also remember that Shepard really isn't desperate for bodies to throw at the mission and the Collectors, as she has recruited a fair number of squad mates by the time of the Liara reunion. When Liara initially refuses to join her mission, it's not like she begs Liara for her help, 'Please, Liara! I need more people! for my suicide mission!!!!!!'.

I think, at that point, Shepard would only want Liara to join for personal or selfish reasons. I'm not saying this is bad (my Shepard definitely wants Liara by her side!) all I am saying is that Liara really isn't absolutely desperately needed for the suicide mission, though she could of course help with it.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 juin 2010 - 05:11 .

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

Thus, she didn't drop everything for Shepard. She was still learning about the Protheans, dealing with her mother, hiding from Saren, etc.

Then why she have stayed after everything was finished? She was still doing missions on the Normandy before it was destroyed. Why not return to her old life? She was not used to life as a soldier after so few time.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

Thus, she didn't drop everything for Shepard. She was still learning about the Protheans, dealing with her mother, hiding from Saren, etc.

Then why she have stayed after everything was finished? She was still doing missions on the Normandy before it was destroyed. Why not return to her old life? She was not used to life as a soldier after so few time.

Simply. Life on the Normandy became her life. And then the Normandy got destroyed. Now being a Broker is her life.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Also remember that Shepard really isn't desperate for bodies to throw at the mission and the Collectors, as she has recruited a fair number of squad mates by the time of the Liara reunion. When Liara initially refuses to join her mission, it's not like she begs Liara for her help, 'Please, Liara! I need more people! for my suicide mission!!!!!!'.

I think, at that point, Shepard would only want Liara to join for personal or selfish reasons. I'm not saying this is bad (my Shepard definitely wants Liara by her side!) all I am saying is that Liara really isn't absolutely desperately needed for the suicide mission, though she could of course help with it.

I'm not saying that Shepard would presure Liara to join him what I saying is that Liara would be the one wanting to protect Shepard. If they remained true to her caracter I get the impression that Liara is very protective about Shepard, specially after losing him once already. And at that point the loyalty of much of Shepard companions are still in doubt and Shepard says to Garrus that he will need people that he can trust. 

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

Thus, she didn't drop everything for Shepard. She was still learning about the Protheans, dealing with her mother, hiding from Saren, etc.

Then why she have stayed after everything was finished? She was still doing missions on the Normandy before it was destroyed. Why not return to her old life? She was not used to life as a soldier after so few time.

Simply. Life on the Normandy became her life. And then the Normandy got destroyed. Now being a Broker is her life.

Trade what have been her life for 50 years all the recognission she would gain by reveling her findings of the prtheans for a live that have been hers for mouths?

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

I'm not saying that Shepard would presure Liara to join him what I saying is that Liara would be the one wanting to protect Shepard. If they remained true to her caracter I get the impression that Liara is very protective about Shepard, specially after losing him once already. And at that point the loyalty of much of Shepard companions are still in doubt and Shepard says to Garrus that he will need people that he can trust. 

My impression was that Liara believes that Shepard's death on the suicide mission was highly likely.  Thus, she feared going along with Shepard and getting close to her again only to lose her again would be too painful to experience for a second time.

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jlb524 wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

I'm not saying that Shepard would presure Liara to join him what I saying is that Liara would be the one wanting to protect Shepard. If they remained true to her caracter I get the impression that Liara is very protective about Shepard, specially after losing him once already. And at that point the loyalty of much of Shepard companions are still in doubt and Shepard says to Garrus that he will need people that he can trust. 

My impression was that Liara believes that Shepard's death on the suicide mission was highly likely.  Thus, she feared going along with Shepard and getting close to her again only to lose her again would be too painful to experience for a second time.

Thats what I think too. It's atleast one of the reasons she don't join up. She couldn't bear to lose Shepard again, so she runs away and occupy her self with finding the shadow broker.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

My impression was that Liara believes that Shepard's death on the suicide mission was highly likely.  Thus, she feared going along with Shepard and getting close to her again only to lose her again would be too painful to experience for a second time.

I have also thought in that and IMO is the only few explanations that make sense, but Liara and Shepard situation in ME1 were very similar, and that didin't stop Liara from enter in a relationship with Shepard.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 25 juin 2010 - 05:41 .

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

I have also thought in that and IMO is the only few explanations that make sense, but Liara and Shepard situation in ME1 were very similar, and that didin't stop Liara from enter in a relationship with Shepard.

Yeah, but that was a different situation and a different Liara...she was in love for the first time and felt really great about the whole thing.  It was new and wonderful, exhilarating and exciting. Then, she tragically loses this love very suddenly and this hurt her deeply...now she's become a bit jaded about the whole love thing and I think she is now being cautious with her feelings, to avoid losing Shepard again and all the pain that came with it.

[Master Wolf]

We realy need some content to end with all the doubts and finally give some decent explanation to Liara's reasons and motives. And perhaps to discover the hidden Liara's and Shepard's daughter that Liara have been hidding from her enemies and from shepard in order to don't distract him

Modifié par Master Wolf, 25 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, but that was a different situation and a different Liara...she was in love for the first time and felt really great about the whole thing.  It was new and wonderful, exhilarating and exciting. Then, she tragically loses this love very suddenly and this hurt her deeply...now she's become a bit jaded about the whole love thing and I think she is now being cautious with her feelings, to avoid losing Shepard again and all the pain that came with it.

That is a very good point perhaps in ME1 Liara belived in the asari filosofy about the bondmate death and find confort in the time spent toghether, but after Shepard death she find that this ofers very litle confort.

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...


That is a very good point perhaps in ME1 Liara belived in the asari filosofy about the bondmate death and find confort in the time spent toghether, but after Shepard death she find that this ofers very litle confort.

Yeah, she's still a young asari...and though she knows of this philosophy that was told to her by elders, it's got to be tough on her that her very first bondmate dies less than a month after they both started melding together.  If she was an older asari that had lived through things like this many times, it would probably have been easier (still painful, but easier to deal with).

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"50 years, and for WHAT?! IT ISN'T FAIR!"

That line I think is for Shepard discover the fate of the protheans before her despite all her hard work.

Thus, she didn't drop everything for Shepard. She was still learning about the Protheans, dealing with her mother, hiding from Saren, etc.

Then why she have stayed after everything was finished? She was still doing missions on the Normandy before it was destroyed. Why not return to her old life? She was not used to life as a soldier after so few time.

Simply. Life on the Normandy became her life. And then the Normandy got destroyed. Now being a Broker is her life.

Trade what have been her life for 50 years all the recognission she would gain by reveling her findings of the prtheans for a live that have been hers for mouths?

Who says she couldn't do that while still working on the Normandy? Besides, if you found out the Reapers were going to come and kill you in maybe 5 years, then why bother digging in the past? Plus, she loves Shepard, and wants to be in his life, even if he didn't romance her.

You might say "Then why doesn't she concentrate of fighting the Reapers and the Collectors then continuing with the Shadow Broker?" Well, with Shepard gone, I guess all her hope of stopping them was gone. With no hope, you're just waiting for the galaxy to die. All she could do was make a goal, and finish it. But then Shepard comes along, and says "Screw your goal, come with me", and she's like "No, I have to do this. I can't just throw it all away."

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 25 juin 2010 - 06:24 .

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Who says she couldn't do that while still working on the Normandy? Besides, if you found out the Reapers were going to come and kill you in maybe 5 years, then why bother digging in the past? Plus, she loves Shepard, and wants to be in his life, even if he didn't romance her.

You might say "Then why doesn't she concentrate of fighting the Reapers and the Collectors then continuing with the Shadow Broker?" Well, with Shepard gone, I guess all her hope of stopping them was gone. With no hope, you're just waiting for the galaxy to die. All she could do was make a goal, and finish it. But then Shepard comes along, and says "Screw your goal, come with me", and she's like "No, I have to do this. I can't just throw it all away."

I guess that would be dificult for her to spread her findings and leading a possible expedition to Ilos on the Normandy since the Normandy was stil fighting the geth. About losing hope she one of the few people that now that Shepard might return even if the hope is slim (depending if she was been updated by cerberus of the progress of Lazarus project or not.)she would always hold on to that hope. And would not be beter spend your possible last days with someone that you love than chasing a ghost? I belive that if liara were sure that were not hope of wining she would spend all the time she could with Shepard.

And I agree with she staying with Shepard just because she love him but the same should aply in ME2

Modifié par Master Wolf, 25 juin 2010 - 06:38 .

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Who says she couldn't do that while still working on the Normandy? Besides, if you found out the Reapers were going to come and kill you in maybe 5 years, then why bother digging in the past? Plus, she loves Shepard, and wants to be in his life, even if he didn't romance her.

You might say "Then why doesn't she concentrate of fighting the Reapers and the Collectors then continuing with the Shadow Broker?" Well, with Shepard gone, I guess all her hope of stopping them was gone. With no hope, you're just waiting for the galaxy to die. All she could do was make a goal, and finish it. But then Shepard comes along, and says "Screw your goal, come with me", and she's like "No, I have to do this. I can't just throw it all away."

I guess that would be dificult for her to spread her findings and leading a possible expedition to Ilos on the Normandy since the Normandy was stil fighting the geth. About losing hope she one of the few people that now that Shepard might return even if the hope is slim (depending if she was been updated by cerberus of the progress of Lazarus project or not.)she would always hold on to that hope. And would not be beter spend your possible last days with someone that you love than chasing a ghost? I belive that if liara were sure that were not hope of wining she would spend all the time she could with Shepard.

And I agree with she staying with Shepard just because she love him but the same should aply in ME2

Well, I'm sure writing wise, she could just sent emails to a publisher. It's not like she had items on her to send off. As for Shepard, she said "But I never believed...". You could say those were just words, and deep down she hoped, but apart of me thinks she gave up at some point (they were trying to bring life to a piece of meat after all). And as for why doesn't she join Shepard, ask Bioware.

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I'm sure writing wise, she could just sent emails to a publisher. It's not like she had items on her to send off. As for Shepard, she said "But I never believed...". You could say those were just words, and deep down she hoped, but apart of me thinks she gave up at some point (they were trying to bring life to a piece of meat after all). And as for why doesn't she join Shepard, ask Bioware.

They said that they kept both ME LI out of ME2 to make sure that they can't be killed for what I don't know but I hope that's for something good.

[Master Wolf]

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Modifié par Master Wolf, 25 juin 2010 - 07:03 .