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PandemicFear wrote...

Why does she have eyebrows? Other asari don't. (I'm sure it has been asked before, but I don't have time to go through 158 pages.)



While it is just my personal speculation, based on the differences in asari appearance and some of the dialog, an example being that an asari reaching matron stage referring to having her color returned to her natural blue.  I believe that all asari facail marking are either make up, tatoo's or possibley a little of both.  The game seems to hint that facail tatoo's are just something the asari liked, so Liara liked eyebrow's and either draw's them on with make up or had them tatood.

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Her mom also had eyebrows so it must be genetic.

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General Stubbs wrote...

PandemicFear wrote...

Why does she have eyebrows? Other asari don't. (I'm sure it has been asked before, but I don't have time to go through 158 pages.)

Cause she is a Goddess. :wub:

Most likey a genetic trait that doesn't exist in all Asari.


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I actually thought it looked quite natural, but then I noticed that Shiala, Aria, and all the others didn't have 'em. And they do look penciled on... :huh:
But she'd look weird without them anyway, so it's for the best. :D

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Heh, according to my poll results, people thought the following would be most popular options in the Liara Expansion (with the options I gave them, lol).

The Turian Councillor is the Shadow Broker.

The Shadow Broker will die by the following death: Let Liara vent her frustrations by beating the crap out of him for a
while then have your Shep shoot him.

And Shepard will say this immediately after killing the Shadow Broker and right before a very emotional and romantic conversation with Liara: *Throws towel at body* "Wipe yourself off man... Your dead".

Very interesting...

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Liara is a pureblood. Liara is also secretly attracted to humans. being that asari have no body hair she had the brows tattooed on to attract a human mate thinking it would bring familiarity.



liara is devious in her desire to snatch Shephard..



that's all I got....

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Ya, it looks like a tattoo. I wonder what the origin of that is, but it may a be a family thing.

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PandemicFear

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vigna wrote...

Liara is a pureblood. Liara is also secretly attracted to humans. being that asari have no body hair she had the brows tattooed on to attract a human mate thinking it would bring familiarity.

liara is devious in her desire to snatch Shephard..

that's all I got....

Where did you get that she was a pureblood?

If Liara has eyebrows because she is secretly attracted to humans (according to you), would that mean Benezia had them for the same reasons? Maybe it runs in the family. Benezia for LI? ;) (After being brought back to life by Shepard and his awesomeness, lol.)

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It does not need to be complicated. Human's show up at the citidel for the first time. A young Liara is there with her mum and they see human's and go,



Interesting eye thingies you have there, what are they called.



Oh we call these eyebrow's.



Liara and Benezia go to a shop, have their tatoo's removed and some eyebrow's tatood back on, takes about 5 minutes. It is not a big deal, doesn't need to be complicated or have a hidden meaning, they just liked it. The developer reason was probably done to make her seem more human, but the in game reason can be anything.

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Srslydude01 wrote...

Ya, it looks like a tattoo. I wonder what the origin of that is, but it may a be a family thing.


I doubt it had anything to do with genetic or racial markings and more to do with the fact that the devs didn't want the main love interest in the series to look odd because she didn't have eyebrows.

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ok, going to make a liara firefox theme like this.



Posted Image

let me know what you want. Colors too. Darker works better.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Srslydude01 wrote...

Ya, it looks like a tattoo. I wonder what the origin of that is, but it may a be a family thing.


I doubt it had anything to do with genetic or racial markings and more to do with the fact that the devs didn't want the main love interest in the series to look odd because she didn't have eyebrows.



yes, I think that was the reason also.

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Uhh @Pandemic, no offense, but did you talk to Liara at all in ME1? As ashamed as she is about being a pureblood (although no asari would ever be cruel enough to call her that), she talks to Shepard about it in detail after like the 3rd convo or something if you investigate. Or maybe I just know becaue I exhausted every possible dialog option with Liara <3 haha

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Sharn01 wrote...

It does not need to be complicated. Human's show up at the citidel for the first time. A young Liara is there with her mum and they see human's and go,

Interesting eye thingies you have there, what are they called.

Oh we call these eyebrow's.

Liara and Benezia go to a shop, have their tatoo's removed and some eyebrow's tatood back on, takes about 5 minutes. It is not a big deal, doesn't need to be complicated or have a hidden meaning, they just liked it. The developer reason was probably done to make her seem more human, but the in game reason can be anything.

This is pretty much what I had filled in myself for why she and Berenzia have them.  But I was a bit more emotionally sappy and assumed that even though Berenzia and Liara didn't have much contact in the time humans would have first appeared that they both independantly liked those human eyebrow things enough to get them done.  Then they had a cute mother and daughter bonding moment the first time they met afterwards.  I just felt so bad for Liara losing her mother that I had to give her something like that Posted Image

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mrbeavis19 wrote...

Uhh @Pandemic, no offense, but did you talk to Liara at all in ME1? As ashamed as she is about being a pureblood (although no asari would ever be cruel enough to call her that), she talks to Shepard about it in detail after like the 3rd convo or something if you investigate. Or maybe I just know becaue I exhausted every possible dialog option with Liara <3 haha

Oh... :pinched:
It's been a while, lol. Thanks though. ^_^

On my last playthrough I didn't talk to her so I wouldn't have to cheat on her in ME2.

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epoch_ wrote...

ok, going to make a liara firefox theme like this.

Posted Image
let me know what you want. Colors too. Darker works better.



Not sure about colors but I love Nozybidaj's profile picture. That would look pretty good as a starting point maybe.

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That would work really well actually. If I can get it in a bigger size, that would be great. Still need to know what colors you guys would like too.

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epoch_ wrote...

That would work really well actually. If I can get it in a bigger size, that would be great. Still need to know what colors you guys would like too.


Any color with Liara would be good!!!!!!!!!

Maybe a different shade of blue to contrast with her skin.

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General Stubbs wrote...

There is too much missing from the scene (mostly on Shepard's part. Goddamn ******, comfort Liara!) for it not to be noticed or planned ahead of time for the sake of DLC.

The Liara reunion is impossible to be a developer oversight. 


Playing through the whole game watching Shepard's reactions to meeting all the other ME1 squad mates makes it seem even more outrageous !  So why ****** off the Liara fans with such an unemotional reunion?

And I know you guys have been trying to answer that question for 200+ pages but it bugs me to no end...  that better be the best darned DLC/expansion ever.  And post-suicide mission too.  No retconning.

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Deamon023 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Srslydude01 wrote...

Ya, it looks like a tattoo. I wonder what the origin of that is, but it may a be a family thing.


I doubt it had anything to do with genetic or racial markings and more to do with the fact that the devs didn't want the main love interest in the series to look odd because she didn't have eyebrows.



yes, I think that was the reason also.


Hmm, that does make sense. It does set her apart and they probably wanted her to look more human-like to be attractive. They had to make sure she would be appealing since she was an alien. But they gotta have some sort of "cover-up" that explains how she got that in the first place. Maybe there isn't one at all.

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Titan the Green wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

There is too much missing from the scene (mostly on Shepard's part. Goddamn ******, comfort Liara!) for it not to be noticed or planned ahead of time for the sake of DLC.

The Liara reunion is impossible to be a developer oversight. 


Playing through the whole game watching Shepard's reactions to meeting all the other ME1 squad mates makes it seem even more outrageous !  So why ****** off the Liara fans with such an unemotional reunion?

And I know you guys have been trying to answer that question for 200+ pages but it bugs me to no end...  that better be the best darned DLC/expansion ever.  And post-suicide mission too.  No retconning.

It'd be nice to see them confirming some actual story based content.  Things like the shooting min-game Hammerhead, yet another squadmate for something everyone has already finished, and more heavy weapons does nothing for me.  Actually I'd be more interested in a heavy weapon option of "None" out of all those things.  My Adept is already burdened with the bulky armor, having to lug around an expresso machine or giant dog turd looking collector gun annoys me.

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Titan the Green wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

There is too much missing from the scene (mostly on Shepard's part. Goddamn ******, comfort Liara!) for it not to be noticed or planned ahead of time for the sake of DLC.

The Liara reunion is impossible to be a developer oversight. 


Playing through the whole game watching Shepard's reactions to meeting all the other ME1 squad mates makes it seem even more outrageous !  So why ****** off the Liara fans with such an unemotional reunion?

And I know you guys have been trying to answer that question for 200+ pages but it bugs me to no end...  that better be the best darned DLC/expansion ever.  And post-suicide mission too.  No retconning.


Okay, first off, my reactions about the reunions with the other characters ...

Garrus was pretty much exactly right, as was Tali.  Even if you think Garrus is just a drinking buddy who's got your back, that's about how you'd react, right?  And Tali seems to be the sort that would be a bit taken aback, then be damn glad to see you.  Again, that's pretty much what happened.

Wrex, again, perfectly in character for my taste.  He's got way too much to be doing, otherwise he would be coming along.  But he pretty much adopts the krogan you do have along with you and with good reason.

Now, I can't speak for Kaidan since my only import so far (I was actually an Infiltrator for that run, which was hell on the Thorian mission, but that's way off topic), Kaidan was on the tower and I went to defend the bombs.  Having said this, I personally like Ash in general, and not just for being able to hold an assault rifle the right way, though I took her xenophobia to be rampant cynicism masking her personal experiences.  Not that that was an excuse, but it really didn't affect her performance, did it?

Having said that, Ash at Horizon ... was totally schizophrenic to me-as-Shep.  Compliments me, shakes my hand, and starts ripping me a new one for not calling for two years in the next sentence?  Can't be persuaded that maybe I've got a clue what I'm doing?  Though maybe she should be acting like that ... but it's just not consistent within the scene.  It's not like Ash to not give the Commander a fraction of the benefit of the doubt.  But what's really worst in my eyes, is that this is all we get of her.  This is how they keep the surviving Alliance soldier alive to the third game, by showing "(s)he's alive, and pissed," LI's get an e-mail later, and I wonder why Kim and Rafael even showed up for this game.

Honestly, I almost feel like we are lucky as Liaramancers... even if we hate LiLi's dialogue this game we can at least go to her office and stare at her, which is more than Ash and Kaidan romancers can say.  But I think that we can, and probably should, blame that dissatisfaction on either the mechanics of end-game, which truth be told turned out to be kind of a gimmick to my way of thinking, or just generally rushing the writing process.  Probably the latter as a result of the former.  We have the lost files that to our eyes don't make sense -- though to be honest, to some of us, no reason for Liara staying away from Shepard will make any sort of sense, though I'll give full marks for effort, if they make one -- and we have a scene that feels like you can see the particle board and smell the spackle. 
And amazingly... I'm weirdly grateful for it.  I swear, it even feels like Jen showed up for work that day (:P), Ali was her usual awesome, and but for a missing two lines, a confusing animation and a missing hug, we'd have a lot less angst in this thread than we do -- and I'll bet money we already have less angst than either Ash's thread and/or Kaidan's already, right?

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epoch_ wrote...

ok, going to make a liara firefox theme like this.

let me know what you want. Colors too. Darker works better.


Very cool.  A blue would work well.  And one without Shepard on it?

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The problem with the human LI interaction is that it makes no sense. Now, their reaction is perfectly reasonable. Shepard's been dead, they've moved on, and suddenly their lover reappears in front of them in full kick-butt-take-names mode. Of course they'd be shocked!



However, their reasons for not coming along are TERRIBLE. They have a better reason than half the crew - they are human, they know colonies are disappearing, they JUST SAW a colony get wiped out and they know Shepard gets results. I don't care how much they hate Cerberus - if Garrus and Tali can get over it in like 5 minutes, it should take them 2 minutes. If the writers really wanted them to stay off the Normandy, have them incapacitated by the Swarms and the problem is solved.



As for Liara, the feeling I got was that they either ran out of time, or cut down the dialogue choices to give the illusion of uncertainty in the relationship. Regardless of whether or not she's the LI, she did steal a corpse in the hope of seeing Shepard again and has spent 2 years attempting to avenge his/her death. So it's safe to say she cares very deeply about Shepard. The longer Shepard talks to her, the more likely she comes along, I think. She must want to - why would she let Shepard head off to die again after doing so much to bring him/her back to life? The explanation that makes the most sense in my mind is having a 3rd party keeping her quiet - but we'll have to see what the comics reveal.

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Driven, I have seriously thought that Liara is being manipulated somehow, and that her initial interactions with Shepard, before she opens up, are against her own will and that she is holding back. She obviously cares deeply for Shepard, LI or not, but something is just not quite right during the rest of the reunion. Hopefully the last issue of the comic will shed some light, and after that the DLC.



epoch, I'd definitely go for a nice deep blue for the FireFox theme as a way of complimenting her skin colour. Thank you for doing this, I think a Liara theme will be awesome! Can't wait to see it!

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From videos I have seen of the other ME1 LIs in ME2, the excuse they give you makes a bit of sense.
They seem to have conflicting emotions about Shepard suddenly coming back and their loyalty to the Alliance.
Of course though, they are still part of the military and bound by rules and regulations. They cannot just leave and do whatever they want, no matter how important they think it is. Unless the military orders them.
Kind of like Wrex, he has other responsibilities to take care of, so he can't come.
Garrus didn't have anything else going on and Tali eventually got permission.
I am not saying that the Ashley/Kaidan LI fans got fair representation (they should even be included in the Liara expansion), but there was a logical reason.

Even Anderson doesn't seem to trust Shepard as much because of Cerberus, I guess you could weave that into the plot for another reason. The Alliance might not have wanted them to go with Shepard at all.

I agree, Liara has absolutely no reason not to come, she could even find the Shadow Broker sooner if she was on the ship for one example. But it is a good thing she stayed on Illium, or else she would have had a chance of dying in the collector assault and having little to no role in ME3.
After the Liara Expansion, I would think she is going to stay on the Normandy with Shepard no matter what if you choose Paragon or Renegade in ME2 and be a squadmate in ME3.
I want her to setup her own space in Shepard's quarters. :wub:
The whole scene was a massive set-up for a Liara Expansion, it would impossible to run out of time because that would constitute forgetting about Liara. You don't forget about one of the most important chatacters in the game (who also has her own comic book series and is the only was ME2 could have existed because of her actions) at any point during development.
I agree with you, I believe there is a third-party involved in the whole SB/Liara situation that hasn't been revealed yet and is keeping her from talking to Shepard. (Still doesn't explain Shepard's lack of caring unfortunately. I don't think anything would. BW just has to change the dialogue in the first reunion in the Liara Expansion).
I honestly think we will hear more in the fourth comic book about the Liara Expansion.

Well, I am off to bed to dream about the Lovely Liara. :wub:

Modifié par General Stubbs, 09 mars 2010 - 08:26 .