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[leeboi2]

She'd probably be a bit gutted to find out that she'd killed some of them, and that Shepard had made them fully extinct.

[Master Wolf]

I would like find out about Liara other parent I think Liara need to finaly find out if the other parent have rejected her or simply could not be with her this is something that probably heve been troubling her for all her life. But only after Shepard and Liara being reunited again and their relationship back to happy days.

[Marcin K]

 Liara: "mirror, mirror, say who is most beautiful in the world?"

[leeboi2]

In the world? In the galaxy more like! =D

[Master Wolf]

Liara is not desperate for find about her other parent but I belive that she as the desire to find why Benezia have never talked about this and why her other parent have not been with her.
I imagine that Liara as a child probably have asked this questions to Benezia many times and when Benezia refused to talk Liara probably have investigated this by herself searching Benezia's stuff trying to find some lead.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 26 juin 2010 - 02:38 .

[Marcin K]

leeboi2 wrote...

In the world? In the galaxy more like! =D

yea rite:P:P

[Erinlana]

Hi Guys , I got me2 for pc now >.< so more Liaraloius screen shots , but does anyone have the link on the bioware forum that told you how to mod it .



Thankies *hugs*

[Stormy-B]

Hey guys, if you've checked in on the "How Shepard survived the crash" thread you've probably seen the thought that it's actually not the original ME1 Shepard we've been runing around with in ME2, but a clone or something to that effect with Shepards memories. This theory saying that Cerberus could'nt resurrect Shepard and did the next best and not telling about it, hoping that the difference would'nt be too significant. Maybe this would be the reason for Liara shying away from the kiss in her office on Illium, saying of course that she knows, and understands how devastating it could be if the clone would realise what's going on.



Personally I think this would be an interesting twist, Im not sure I like it but it would be interesting with all the "who am I" implications it would bring.



What do you think of the theory and how it would affect the realationship of Liara and Shepard?

[Stormy-B]

Oh and Erin, loking forward to the pics, sorry but I don't have the link you're requesting

[Nerevar-as]

Stormy-B wrote...

Hey guys, if you've checked in on the "How Shepard survived the crash" thread you've probably seen the thought that it's actually not the original ME1 Shepard we've been runing around with in ME2, but a clone or something to that effect with Shepards memories. This theory saying that Cerberus could'nt resurrect Shepard and did the next best and not telling about it, hoping that the difference would'nt be too significant. Maybe this would be the reason for Liara shying away from the kiss in her office on Illium, saying of course that she knows, and understands how devastating it could be if the clone would realise what's going on.

Personally I think this would be an interesting twist, Im not sure I like it but it would be interesting with all the "who am I" implications it would bring.

What do you think of the theory and how it would affect the realationship of Liara and Shepard?

NO, JUST NO. In fact they make the player certain it is an actual resurrection and not cloning. It is already a bit hard to believe Shepard´s memories are kind of intact (if you choose the right dialog options) to go and complicate things. There´s no DNA memories whatever Assassin´s Creed says (or Alien 4, Ripley 8 remembering was <_<).

About the relationship if they went that way? I hope they would break, would be Liara going for a substitue instead of accepting he original´s death, IMHO that makes her weak.

[Crimmsonwind]

Aw, but I like Alien: Resurrection.

I don't buy the clone theory either. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason they killed off Shepard in the first place was just to "reset" the character. Don't get me wrong, I did like the initial shock that the opening brought, and I don't really mind that they pulled a Lazarus ( ) as much as some people, but I don't think that you're a clone Shepard.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 26 juin 2010 - 04:36 .

[Nerevar-as]

Funny thing, in universe he wasn´t reset, he is supposed to be as good as in ME1 (where he was elite at the very beginning if I got right what N7 means). The biotic and power downgrade kind of clashed with that and with all the Cutscenes Power to the Max there were. The DLC or ME3 should show how this affects Liara, as Singularity and Lift (Pull) are nothing compared to ME1.

[Master Wolf]

The Shepard death thing IMO is one of the worst things in ME2 and I agree that this was done with the single purpose to reset the character the fact that Shepard death is treated like never happened right after he reaches the Normandy is a prove of that.



About the possibility of Shepard being a clone everything in the game goes against but the sources are cerberus and they are not reliable. I think that Shepard body survived the crash because the armor ofered some protection.



About the relationship with Liara is very difficult to predict what would happen.

[jtav]

I think it was done for three reasons.



1) Set up the two-year timeskip.

2) Separate Shep from the original crew and give them a plausible reason to move on to other things.

3) Something was done to Shep as a part of Lazarus that will play a role in ME3. My pet theories are that he was implanted with Reaper tech and/or is a partial VI/AI (think the stories about Huerta on the Cerberus Network)



I don't think it was to take you back to level 1 since you're not presented as actually having lost any skill.

[Master Wolf]

jtav wrote...

I think it was done for three reasons.

1) Set up the two-year timeskip.
2) Separate Shep from the original crew and give them a plausible reason to move on to other things.
3) Something was done to Shep as a part of Lazarus that will play a role in ME3. My pet theories are that he was implanted with Reaper tech and/or is a partial VI/AI (think the stories about Huerta on the Cerberus Network)

I don't think it was to take you back to level 1 since you're not presented as actually having lost any skill.

Even if those were the reasons being taken prisoner by a reaper pawn would cover all those reasons and IMO would be much beter.

[Crimmsonwind]

jtav wrote...

I think it was done for three reasons.

1) Set up the two-year timeskip.
2) Separate Shep from the original crew and give them a plausible reason to move on to other things.
3) Something was done to Shep as a part of Lazarus that will play a role in ME3. My pet theories are that he was implanted with Reaper tech and/or is a partial VI/AI (think the stories about Huerta on the Cerberus Network)

I don't think it was to take you back to level 1 since you're not presented as actually having lost any skill.

Yeah, I like this. Good points.

About being reset to level 1: to be fair, ME2 is still a game, thus the "downgrade" of your abilities. What's the point in playing if you can't level up? Not every game mechanic has to do with story and plot.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jtav wrote...

I think it was done for three reasons.

1) Set up the two-year timeskip.
2) Separate Shep from the original crew and give them a plausible reason to move on to other things.
3) Something was done to Shep as a part of Lazarus that will play a role in ME3. My pet theories are that he was implanted with Reaper tech and/or is a partial VI/AI (think the stories about Huerta on the Cerberus Network)

I don't think it was to take you back to level 1 since you're not presented as actually having lost any skill.

Don't forget that it was to preserve the status quo of several aspects of the story:
Alliance is still the most incompetent goverment.
Council still don't believe you.

and of course giving an reason to have the LI's act like dicks so you would cheat. But you got that covered already.

"EDIT" forgot to add a word.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 juin 2010 - 05:13 .

[Stormy-B]

I absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection >.<

I havent really thought this cloning idea over, but my first reaction is that I'm not thrilled, however it would make for a great chance/reason to "get to know" Liara and gain her confidence again.

Funny thing, in universe he wasn´t reset, he is supposed to be as good as in ME1 (where he was elite at the very beginning if I got right what N7 means). The biotic and power downgrade kind of clashed with that and with all the Cutscenes Power to the Max there were. The DLC or ME3 should show how this affects Liara, as Singularity and Lift (Pull) are nothing compared to ME1.

This is a big problem, since anyone from the old squad aswell as the new squad coming into ME3 by logic should be a powerhouse from the get go, but we all know they wont.

[LiquidGrape]

Alien: Resurrection is the second best Alien film, after the original.

True story.



But yes; isolated memories transferred via DNA is...silly.

[jtav]

I still think Shep's memories were reconstructed with a VI.

[Crimmsonwind]

Stormy-B wrote...

I absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection >.
I havent really thought this cloning idea over, but my first reaction is that I'm not thrilled, however it would make for a great chance/reason to "get to know" Liara and gain her confidence again.

Funny thing, in universe he wasn´t reset, he is supposed to be as good as in ME1 (where he was elite at the very beginning if I got right what N7 means). The biotic and power downgrade kind of clashed with that and with all the Cutscenes Power to the Max there were. The DLC or ME3 should show how this affects Liara, as Singularity and Lift (Pull) are nothing compared to ME1.

This is a big problem, since anyone from the old squad aswell as the new squad coming into ME3 by logic should be a powerhouse from the get go, but we all know they wont.

If everyone is super strong right off the bat, then there's no challenge, and the game becomes a cake walk. Still good to play from a story enthusiast's perspective, but even I would like to be challenged to survive a fight, instead of being able to put down the controller mid-combat, go get a drink of water, have a conversation, come back to the game, and find that I'm still alive.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that everyone should still be fully leveled  in ME3.

Edit: Or at least they shouldn't be at level 30 when you import into ME3.

I liked starting off at level 5 after importing my ME1 character. I don't mind a slight boost in level in the very beginning. If they wanted to bump up your squad a few levels in ME3 for importing your ME2 character, that's fine. But I don't want to start off at level 30 where I left off.

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 26 juin 2010 - 05:42 .

[Stormy-B]

@LiquidGrape I respect your right of an opinion... Even if your wrong But this is not the place to troll eachother over a film XD

jtav wrote...

I think it was done for three reasons.

1) Set up the two-year timeskip.
2) Separate Shep from the original crew and give them a plausible reason to move on to other things.
3) Something was done to Shep as a part of Lazarus that will play a role in ME3. My pet theories are that he was implanted with Reaper tech and/or is a partial VI/AI (think the stories about Huerta on the Cerberus Network)

I don't think it was to take you back to level 1 since you're not presented as actually having lost any skill.

Good points. Since the Normandy 2.0 apparently was integrated with Reaper tech (Atleast EDI says so after Joker takes her leash off) it would'nt be a big surprise to find that Shepard has had a few augmentations Cerberus "forgot" to mention.

[Master Wolf]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

I absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection >.
I havent really thought this cloning idea over, but my first reaction is that I'm not thrilled, however it would make for a great chance/reason to "get to know" Liara and gain her confidence again.

Funny thing, in universe he wasn´t reset, he is supposed to be as good as in ME1 (where he was elite at the very beginning if I got right what N7 means). The biotic and power downgrade kind of clashed with that and with all the Cutscenes Power to the Max there were. The DLC or ME3 should show how this affects Liara, as Singularity and Lift (Pull) are nothing compared to ME1.

This is a big problem, since anyone from the old squad aswell as the new squad coming into ME3 by logic should be a powerhouse from the get go, but we all know they wont.

If everyone is super strong right off the bat, then there's no challenge, and the game becomes a cake walk. Still good to play from a story enthusiast's perspective, but even I would like to be challenged to survive a fight, instead of being able to put down the controller mid-combat, go get a drink of water, have a conversation, come back to the game, and find that I'm still alive.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that everyone should still be fully leveled  in ME3.

They could do the same thing they did with the powers in DA:O Awekening increase level max and add new abilities to evolve since I imagine that won't change the gameplay for ME3.

I hope that they give Liara good abilities for ME3.

[Stormy-B]

@Crimmsonwind I'm not saying that people should be fully leveled for the sake of gameplay, it would suck not getting to level up, but for the sake of logic alone.