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[jtav]

See, I didn't get angst from the kiss, just awkwardness. If I didn't know better, I'd say she'd moved on and was in denial. The hug struck me as unvarnished affection, particularly the way she says Shepard's name, almost as if she's holding back tears.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

See, I didn't get angst from the kiss, just awkwardness. If I didn't know better, I'd say she'd moved on and was in denial. The hug struck me as unvarnished affection, particularly the way she says Shepard's name, almost as if she's holding back tears.

Yeah, the way in which she says 'Shepard' is very touching.

With the kiss, I think she was at first very excited to see Shepard, then mid-kiss, she remembers that she can't be showing affection towards Shepard (for the various reasons we have discussed) and pulls away.  It does look awkward, and probably makes Shepard feel very awkward, but I think the angst comes from the potential reasons for her pulling away (though, these are pure speculation at this point!)

[Master Wolf]

jtav wrote...

I just met Liara in my current game of ME2. The hug is so much better and more natural than the kiss. I have a much easier time believing a non-romanced Liara has feelings for Shepard than a romanced one. I'm also beginning to believe the theory that she's addicted to some drug or other. Her voice is oddly monotone and she looks drugged.

I've also picked up the Miranda/Liara story again. Crazy. I must be.

I think that a Liara romance with the kiss is more beliveble to have feeleings for Shepard because a romanced Liara when see Shepard is so happy that forget everything that have happened for the two she even forget  the present and kisses Shepard is during the kiss that she realizes that two years have passed and that Shepard still don't know the truth and then she breaks the kiss first because she don't want continue her relationship like anything have happened she wants to continue the realationship only when Shepard knows the truth(perhaps this is why she calls him friend because after what she have done she feels that she doesn't have the right to calling him lover) and second because she is afraid that Shepard will hater when he knows the truth.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Awkwardness due to her fear that Shepard will hate her, and b/c of her guilt over handing the corpse to Cerberus, perhaps? Liara definitely feels uncomfortable, and the manner in which Liara then later opens up and reveals her pain and torment seems to suggest that's the case to me.

I also thinks she's frightened to fall in love with Shepard again as she fears losing her all over again.  Liara maybe trying to push Shepard away for this reason.

[kraidy1117]

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.



Now I think we can all agree, the problem with the cameo scene was Shepards writing, not liara. I loved that Liara grew and changed, but not giving Shepard any chance to ask questions or comfront her? Baaaaaad move.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Would have been nice if Liara's eyes snapped open mid-kiss to illustrate this fact, though.

I don't think either of them closes their eyes, am I correct?

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yep. The many in which Liara excitedly and surprisedly exclaims "Shepard!" before rushing over, and ordering Nyxeris to hold her calls shows that Liara momentarily forgot what was troubling her, and was pleased to see Shepard alive and well again. Mid-kiss, she's reminded of her pain and torment and then pulls away.

Would have been nice if Liara's eyes snapped open mid-kiss to illustrate this fact, though.

I like to think that she doesn't close her eyes because she fears that all that might be a dream and if she close her eyes when she open then Shepard will be gone again.

I belive that Liara have been dreaming of being reunited to Shepard for the last two years probably this was the thing wich she dream every night.

But she opening the eyes during the kiss would have been  a nice way of shoing Liara realising that everything was not fine.

[IndigoWolfe]

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Now I think we can all agree, the problem with the cameo scene was Shepards writing, not liara. I loved that Liara grew and changed, but not giving Shepard any chance to ask questions or comfront her? Baaaaaad move.

Niether of them are sure if either of them are the same person. I like to think that maybe Shepard is hesitant to bring up the subject of their relationship, and he doesn't want to put pressure on Liara. And that Liara is thinking the exact same thing.

[jlb524]

I think that, after two years, Liara 'got over Shepard' in the sense that she's accepted either:



1) Cerberus will fail to bring Shepard back. Shepard is dead.

2) Cerberus will bring Shepard back, but their relationship cannot possibly ever be the same as it was pre-Normandy destruction. Here's where the guilt comes in to play.



She's slowly come to accept these facts after two years, and finally been able to move on (i.e., not expect things to be like they were before).



Of course, she forgets this when she first sees Shepard, and runs to kiss her, but then quickly realizes what she is doing and the potential repercussions and pulls away.



I don't think it's going to be easy to get the Liara/Shepard romance going again. I think Liara still has some walls up, left over from her attempts to get over Shepard and her love for her and from her losing all hope that their relationship could ever return to how it was.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think it's Liara's fear that Shepard will hate her that is the reason as to why she's initially a little emotionally distant during her ME2 scenes. When she opens up and states that she has been fearing that, I think that's definitely one of the reasons as to why she'd been distant from Shep, IMO.

It could be a combination of what we both think, J.

I think it's all of the above...it's a pretty complex situation.  No interpretation is wrong, as the scene is so vague as it stands.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

I think that, after two years, Liara 'got over Shepard' in the sense that she's accepted either:

1) Cerberus will fail to bring Shepard back. Shepard is dead.
2) Cerberus will bring Shepard back, but their relationship cannot possibly ever be the same as it was pre-Normandy destruction. Here's where the guilt comes in to play.

She's slowly come to accept these facts after two years, and finally been able to move on (i.e., not expect things to be like they were before).

Of course, she forgets this when she first sees Shepard, and runs to kiss her, but then quickly realizes what she is doing and the potential repercussions and pulls away.

I don't think it's going to be easy to get the Liara/Shepard romance going again. I think Liara still has some walls up, left over from her attempts to get over Shepard and her love for her and from her losing all hope that their relationship could ever return to how it was.

I beleive this is right on the map, which is why Liara is the only one I consider you can cheat on, because right now, she has not moved on, Ash/Kaidan did move on. This makes me more sad

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

[Unit-Alpha]

God, I love all this analysis. Sadly, I feel like we might be reading too much into it because I doubt BW went to great lengths to think through the entire Liara fiasco in ME2. There are a plethora of reasons why she could have acted the way she did, but I just feel realistically the only thing you can do is chalk it up to bad writing.



Too bad you guys can't take over Liara's character in ME3. That would be amazing.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

[kraidy1117]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

God, I love all this analysis. Sadly, I feel like we might be reading too much into it because I doubt BW went to great lengths to think through the entire Liara fiasco in ME2. There are a plethora of reasons why she could have acted the way she did, but I just feel realistically the only thing you can do is chalk it up to bad writing.

Too bad you guys can't take over Liara's character in ME3. That would be amazing.

Your most likely right, but I love analysing characters and exploring them.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 28 juin 2010 - 05:45 .

[Master Wolf]

I think that even after two years and despite what Liara says she had always hope that Shepard will return even if it small. And I think that Liara is unsure about the relationship not because of her part(IMO the "I couldn't let you go" line shows that she is sure that she wants to be with Shepard) she is unsure about how Shepard will react when he knows the truth and how his reaction will afect the relationship.

[jlb524]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

God, I love all this analysis. Sadly, I feel like we might be reading too much into it because I doubt BW went to great lengths to think through the entire Liara fiasco in ME2. There are a plethora of reasons why she could have acted the way she did, but I just feel realistically the only thing you can do is chalk it up to bad writing.

Too bad you guys can't take over Liara's character in ME3. That would be amazing.

Yeah, I think inevitably it was just bad writing, as they didn't put much thought into it.  Speculation is still fun, though, and good for fanfic ideas.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I wonder why Miranda never mentioned this?  

[Unit-Alpha]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

Horizon? Or are we refering to a comic location that I forgot? Sorry, I tried to forget that terrible piece of writing.

Possibly, although it's hard to tell without any Squad-NPC banter between the squad and Liara. I mean, honestly, no one who knows Liara (Tali, Miri, Garrus) has anything to say. I suspect it is a storage size issue in terms of the disk that resulted in a lack of Liara-squad banter.

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I doubt because IMO TIM saying that Liara was working with the SB and that she could not be trusted is a way to try keep Shepard way from any distractions that could warm the mission so Miaranda would not send anything to Liara.