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[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I wonder why Miranda never mentioned this?  

Well she does not even say anything when Liara tells Shepard how they got his body back and last time I checked, Miri was a big player in that project. Plus they are both on first name basis and Miri even shows feelings for Liara(not in the way you think, she feels sorry for liara)

I still have a mental pic in my headt hat Miri might have even snuck out updates to liara so she was not going crazy.

[jlb524]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I suspect it is a storage size issue in terms of the disk that resulted in a lack of Liara-squad banter.

I don't know...they have a bunch of unused crap Liara dialog (on the PC version at least).  They could have stuck a few more audio files on there for this.

There's other extra unused stuff too.  If it was important, they would have fit it on there.

[jtav]

Liara's behavior is probably nothing more than poor writing, but I really can;t help the analysis and speculation. I'm going with "moved on" because that's what's convenient, but it gives me a headache.

[kraidy1117]

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I doubt because IMO TIM saying that Liara was working with the SB and that she could not be trusted is a way to try keep Shepard way from any distractions that could warm the mission so Miaranda would not send anything to Liara.

Miri and TIM are not the same. Miri likes liara and felt sorry for her.Miri is the same woman who decided to risk the mission so Jacob could find his father.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe, but doesn't the fact that Liara has been tormented with the fear that Shepard will hate her, and that fear that Shepard will hate her indicate that she hasn't moved on in that specific sense?

She's moved on in the sense that she's just given up hope that things will every be the way they were.  She's also given up hope that the relationship could be salvageable at this point.  This ties in to Liara's fear that Shepard will hate her (or Shepard won't be resurrected and will remain dead).

This doesn't mean she's 'moved on' in the sense that she doesn't love Shepard anymore, or has taken another lover.  She does still love a romanced Shepard, but is trying to be realistic about the prospects of their relationship returning to what it was, to avoid further heartbreak and sorrow.

[jtav]

I like to think Miranda did send Liara an email. She defied TIM for Jacob. Why not Liara?

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe, but doesn't the fact that Liara has been tormented with the fear that Shepard will hate her, and that fear that Shepard will hate her indicate that she hasn't moved on in that specific sense?

She's moved on in the sense that she's just given up hope that things will every be the way they were.  She's also given up hope that the relationship could be salvageable at this point.  This ties in to Liara's fear that Shepard will hate her (or Shepard won't be resurrected and will remain dead).

This doesn't mean she's 'moved on' in the sense that she doesn't love Shepard anymore, or has taken another lover.  She does still love a romanced Shepard, but is trying to be realistic about the prospects of their relationship returning to what it was, to avoid further heartbreak and sorrow.

Did`t Liara also argue with miri that they should not even try to bring Shepard back?

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Well she does not even say anything when Liara tells Shepard how they got his body back and last time I checked, Miri was a big player in that project. Plus they are both on first name basis and Miri even shows feelings for Liara(not in the way you think, she feels sorry for liara)

I still have a mental pic in my headt hat Miri might have even snuck out updates to liara so she was not going crazy.

Yeah, that makes sense and is what I believe in my head...don't know why they couldn't add something small between those two characters.

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I wonder why Miranda never mentioned this?  

Well she does not even say anything when Liara tells Shepard how they got his body back and last time I checked, Miri was a big player in that project. Plus they are both on first name basis and Miri even shows feelings for Liara(not in the way you think, she feels sorry for liara)

I still have a mental pic in my headt hat Miri might have even snuck out updates to liara so she was not going crazy.

That's one way to see it in my opinion that was Miaranda trying to make Liara agree in leaving Shepard body with then she was with doubts at that time, and I imagine that after Miranda told TIM that Shepard body was recoverd was to get rid of Liara in a gentle way(if they do any warm to Liara Shepard would never work with them), so Miranda fakes and shows a good side and even  fakes worry about Feron person that in the first comic she says he is luky in not being killed by her, to make Liara agree in leving the body.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

I like to think Miranda did send Liara an email. She defied TIM for Jacob. Why not Liara?

This. Miri has went behind TIMs back throughtout the game, dont wee why she would not do it for Liara.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I like to think Miranda did send Liara an email. She defied TIM for Jacob. Why not Liara?

Right, though we don't see this in the comic, I'm sure there was an agreement made between the two for Miranda to send Liara updates.  TIM might not even have minded, really.

[Marcin K]

going offline overnight form main thread, cya all tomorrow, will hand in a group for few hrs more

[kraidy1117]

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I wonder why Miranda never mentioned this?  

Well she does not even say anything when Liara tells Shepard how they got his body back and last time I checked, Miri was a big player in that project. Plus they are both on first name basis and Miri even shows feelings for Liara(not in the way you think, she feels sorry for liara)

I still have a mental pic in my headt hat Miri might have even snuck out updates to liara so she was not going crazy.

That's one way to see it in my opinion that was Miaranda trying to make Liara agree in leaving Shepard body with then she was with doubts at that time, and I imagine that after Miranda told TIM that Shepard body was recoverd was to get rid of Liara in a gentle way(if they do any warm to Liara Shepard would never work with them), so Miranda fakes and shows a good side and even  fakes worry about Feron person that in the first comic she says he is luky in not being killed by her, to make Liara agree in leving the body.

I don`t see it that way at all, but hey, thats the great thing about ME. We each have diffrent opinions of the characters

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Did`t Liara also argue with miri that they should not even try to bring Shepard back?

Yeah, she does.  Liara gives in pretty easily, though.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I like to think Miranda did send Liara an email. She defied TIM for Jacob. Why not Liara?

Right, though we don't see this in the comic, I'm sure there was an agreement made between the two for Miranda to send Liara updates.  TIM might not even have minded, really.

After her telling TIM to f*ck off, I dot think she liked TIM that much then we are lead to beleive. Plus what we see in the comic kinda support it, Miri is sad for Liara.

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I doubt because IMO TIM saying that Liara was working with the SB and that she could not be trusted is a way to try keep Shepard way from any distractions that could warm the mission so Miaranda would not send anything to Liara.

Miri and TIM are not the same. Miri likes liara and felt sorry for her.Miri is the same woman who decided to risk the mission so Jacob could find his father.

Miranda and TIM are not the same I agree but until the collector base she trusts him almost blindely and what she did with Jacob didin't risked the mission it helped Jacob trust in shepard was improved. Shepard being emotionaly affected by Liara situation might warm the mission.

[jlb524]

So, between news reports and possible Miranda updates, Liara should have had a good sense that Shepard was still 'Shepard'. Even Shepard's looks, as Khalisah Al-Jilani grabs a video interview of the Commander (and I'm sure this was played non-stop around the entire galaxy, especially a place like Illium). This is assuming you didn't change your Shepard's appearance, of course. I did give mine a different hair do.

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I wonder why Miranda never mentioned this?  

Well she does not even say anything when Liara tells Shepard how they got his body back and last time I checked, Miri was a big player in that project. Plus they are both on first name basis and Miri even shows feelings for Liara(not in the way you think, she feels sorry for liara)

I still have a mental pic in my headt hat Miri might have even snuck out updates to liara so she was not going crazy.

That's one way to see it in my opinion that was Miaranda trying to make Liara agree in leaving Shepard body with then she was with doubts at that time, and I imagine that after Miranda told TIM that Shepard body was recoverd was to get rid of Liara in a gentle way(if they do any warm to Liara Shepard would never work with them), so Miranda fakes and shows a good side and even  fakes worry about Feron person that in the first comic she says he is luky in not being killed by her, to make Liara agree in leving the body.

I don`t see it that way at all, but hey, thats the great thing about ME. We each have diffrent opinions of the characters

True. And don´t get me wrong Miranda is my second favorite character in ME only after Liara like you said we just have diferent ideas about her personality.  

[kraidy1117]

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

This is what I think. I think the reason why she breaks the kiss and shrugs is because she has no clue if this was the man she fell in love with or if this is really him.

Perhaps some of this...I'm curious if she's been following Sheprard's actions since coming back from the dead.  I think she has...this would give her some clue that Shepard is sitll 'Shepard' (Paragon/Paragade/Renegon/Renegade/whatever).

I have a feeling Miri might have maybe snuck a email to liara sometime before they went to Horrozine(sp)

I doubt because IMO TIM saying that Liara was working with the SB and that she could not be trusted is a way to try keep Shepard way from any distractions that could warm the mission so Miaranda would not send anything to Liara.

Miri and TIM are not the same. Miri likes liara and felt sorry for her.Miri is the same woman who decided to risk the mission so Jacob could find his father.

Miranda and TIM are not the same I agree but until the collector base she trusts him almost blindely and what she did with Jacob didin't risked the mission it helped Jacob trust in shepard was improved. Shepard being emotionaly affected by Liara situation might warm the mission.

Liara could still be told. In fact we only see Liara in ME2 because we have too, a place that TIM tells us to go and Liara is there.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh yeah, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Liara is apprehensive and uncomfortable about their future together, and what Shepard will think of her. It's not that she's moved on and doesn't love Shepard anymore, rather that she's troubled and uncertain about where they go from here.

Right, I use 'move on' to mean that she doesn't expect the relationship to be salvageable at this point, so has put up walls and barriers (not the biotic kind ) in order to protect herself, and to avoid getting her heart broken again.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh yeah, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Liara is apprehensive and uncomfortable about their future together, and what Shepard will think of her. It's not that she's moved on and doesn't love Shepard anymore, rather that she's troubled and uncertain about where they go from here.

Right, I use 'move on' to mean that she doesn't expect the relationship to be salvageable at this point, so has put up walls and barriers (not the biotic kind ) in order to protect herself, and to avoid getting her heart broken again.

Liara has strong biotic barriers:wizard:

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Did`t Liara also argue with miri that they should not even try to bring Shepard back?

It's not quite as straightforward as that, though. It's more that after Miranda informs Liara that the damage to Shepard's corpse is even more extensive than they had feared, Liara worries if what Cerberus will do to Shepard will be any better than what the Collectors had intended to do with the corpse. It's concern for Shepard's own wellbeing.

I also think it's Liara lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, rather than her own desire to see her rebuilt. She's putting up token resistence, but allows Cerberus to do so b/c she can't let Shepard go, as she says in-game.

Still wished she would have said something diffrent to Joshua shepard........