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[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To be honest, I want the "rocky second chapter" of Liara's romance to be resolved as soon as possible. That way, as I've said before, we can proceed with the third chapter of the romance in which the relationship between Shepard and Liara deepens into something truly deep and spiritual, the pair of them reaffirming their connection and love to each other and forging their unbreaking and powerful bond. Have them become true soulmates.

Which ends with Liara sacrificing herself in Shepard's place in order to stop the Reapers in Mass Effect 3.

Oooh, channeling a bit of Lizardviking here.

[jlb524]

The DLC will only take care of the SB and remove the reason Liara cannot join up with Shepard's team. I think Liara's walls built up to keep a romanced Shepard out will still be there once she does join, for all the reasons discussed. So, the first one or two ME3 romance dialog options will deal with this, I'm thinking. After you assure her that you still want the relationship with her, and are willing to put all your effort into making it work with her, she will finally open up fully, and the romance can proceed as before.



I don't see it starting off where it left off at the end of ME1.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

There will be some acknowledgement of the romance in the DLC, but it remains to be seen just how extensive it will be. Additional dialogue is a given, I feel. Plus, I remain hopeful of there being a scene in Shepard's cabin with Liara after the DLC mission has been concluded. What if they include the dialogue and conversations with Liara that breaks down her emotional walls in the DLC, but that this dialogue is absent in ME3 if you import a save in which the Liara DLC has been played to completion? If you import a Liara romance save in which the player has not played the DLC, then you will have to break down her barriers in ME3. If you've played and completed the Liara DLC, and reaffirmed the romance in that, then you'll be able to proceed with the romance as normal.

Of course, it won't start off where it left off at the end of ME1. Way, way too much has changed.

Do you honestly think they will go to the trouble of creating 2 separate ME3 Liara romances just to take into account optional DLC?  I don't think so.  It would be nice, but no way they will do this.  The DLC will be a romp where you go to the planet where the SB's base is located (Alignon, I think) and you will drive around in the Hammerhead from location to location (like the Overlord DLC) and this will be the focus.  There will be some Liara dialog, but I think it will mostly focus on the mission, and not focus at all on the possible relationship between Liara and Shep.

[Master Wolf]

If we think in a global perpective a Liara DLC is very difficult to happen a SB DLC is more likely but Liara will only have a small apperance if she shows at all because for Liara to join us they will have to design all her abilities from zero just for one mission. About the romance content many ME2 players are new so they haven't romanced Liara, others have a diferent LI so this will only be for a minority and they will not have this kind of work in a DLC.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 28 juin 2010 - 07:38 .

[ratzerman]

There you two are. :-)

[jlb524]

Yeah, it's quite possible Liara's role in DLC will be no different from her role in ME2. You'll go to her office to see her, she'll give you the quest, then you leave to complete it without her. After you are done, you go back to her office, discuss what happened briefly, she gives you some credits and then it's all over.



I really don't think she will be a squad mate...I believe they said no more new squad mates for ME2.



I don't see designing her abilities to be that tough, though. They can give her throw, warp, the passive, and possibly an extra power for her 'loyalty' one that is ready and available (as she is already loyal, technically). Could be a version of Singularity.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

There you two are. :-)

Uh oh, are we in trouble?

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

There you two are. :-)

Uh oh, are we in trouble?

Big trouble.  HUGE!

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If you listen to the cut Liara audio files though, the intention has always been that Liara will accompany Shepard on the mission to confront the Shadow Broker. As the whole storyline has now been greatly rewritten, expanded and revised, why would they cut back on Liara's content and involvement? In anything, they'd want to increase the screentime that Liara has.

I think there's a very good chance that the Liara DLC will just be Shepard and Liara as a temporary squaddie as a pair, like Kasumi's loyalty mission.

I've never gotten that vibe from the cut files...if anything, it seems she's just the quest giver. 

I don't think it can be just Shepard and Liara, as combat balance might be thrown off.

[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I think there's a very good chance that the Liara DLC will just be Shepard and Liara as a temporary squaddie as a pair, like Kasumi's loyalty mission.

Assuming that the Liara DLC is real, I think this is the most likely scenario.
And at the end of the mission, Liara can just stay on the Normandy!

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

There you two are. :-)

Uh oh, are we in trouble?

Big trouble.  HUGE!

Uh oh..

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Assuming that the Liara DLC is real, I think this is the most likely scenario.
And at the end of the mission, Liara can just stay on the Normandy!

See, I'm optimistic that the Liara DLC will happen, but pessimistic about it containing substantial romance content,  her joining for the mission, and her joining afterwards.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Shepard tells Liara that she's discovered the Shadow Broker's location, and inquires as to whether she's interested. Liara responds in the affirmative, and says she can "leave right now". Seems like she's heading off with Shepard on the Normandy to take out the SB to me.

Combat balance was potentially thrown off with Kasumi's loyalty mission, and they still implemented it. There is a precedent.

I'll have to check the vid again....

Kasumi's a bit OP, though.  She has overload (all the enemies were shielded on insanity...not many barriers used) plus she has that Shadow Strike ability that does tons of damage.  She has both useful tech and combat powers, and any class Shepard will fit with her. 

With Liara, let's say you play an adept too...how do you handle shielded enemies? 

[jtav]

I think jib is right. They've already said no new squadmates. And having her join would be a waste of a perfectly good recruitment mission. I think the SB will be taken down during ME3, with the DLC setting the stage.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If you listen to the cut Liara audio files though, the intention has always been that Liara will accompany Shepard on the mission to confront the Shadow Broker. As the whole storyline has now been greatly rewritten, expanded and revised, why would they cut back on Liara's content and involvement? In anything, they'd want to increase the screentime that Liara has.

I think there's a very good chance that the Liara DLC will just be Shepard and Liara as a temporary squaddie as a pair, like Kasumi's loyalty mission.

Liara's sceane have been revised IMO because the reason that is given there for her to not join Shepard is even worst than the one we have now, and the ME1 LI stories in ME2 were created with the single purpose to keep them of the Normandy.

But Kasumi is a squadmate for the rest of the game Liara would only be a squadmate for on single mission.

And they could make Liara join you something like Thane recruitment mission when you are face to face with the SB she appears.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 28 juin 2010 - 07:59 .

[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

See, I'm optimistic that the Liara DLC will happen, but pessimistic about it containing substantial romance content,  her joining for the mission, and her joining afterwards.

I'm somewhat optimistic about the romance content, her joining the mission, but not joining afterwards. I think that balances out!

Oh, ratz? Me and J are sorry.

You two should be ashamed of yourselves.


Sadly, I don't think there will be any romance content in the DLC.  I can see Bioware reasoning that it wouldn't be economically efficient to include extra content that many players won't even see in a downloadable package that most players probably won't even buy.  The tragedy is that they're totally wrong.  The people who are most likely to buy Liara DLC are the ones who romanced her.  If they put out the DLC, and teased at some kind of romantic moment, they'd double their sales.