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[Dominus5412]

OK, again I really can't stress enough I don't want this. If a dev reads this please ignore it!

Too late. Now it's canon.

[muskettman87]

So, has anyone noticed the light blue skin "accents" between Liara's eyes and eyebrows? Very attractive

[Nerevar-as]

Actually in Cast Away I got the feel she felt/hoped/was quite sure he was alive but moved on anyway, in a rather short time (2/3 years?), so I was quite annoyed at the movie at how they handled that.

With the Virmire they are convinced Shep is gone though, but only Kaidan seems to be trying to move on.

If they go a "pair the spares" route with some LIs in ME3 I hope they come up with someone better than Feron for Liara. They got Kal for Tali, can´t they do better for Liara?

[Marcin K]

got my exams results just now, now i have to forward them to universities i'm applying to, but from on-the-go calculations it seems i may fell short by tiny fraction like 1 or 2 points so huge ughhhhhh:////////////// for today://///

[bjdbwea]

I don't like the Rachni. And killing their queen is the safest thing to do, I think. But if Liara thinks otherwise, what can you do?

[bjdbwea]

Yes, and doesn't she even insist when you tell her it's necessary? I can't do it either. The only alternative would be to leave her on the Normandy, but that doesn't make much sense.

[leeboi2]

What's wrong with the Rachni? It's not their fault that they're ugly =(

[JamieCOTC]

Jesus , Mary, and Joseph! You people wanted to kill the Rachni Queen? SciFi 101. If evil, delusional or incompetent scientists have successfully performed unethical experiments on a unknown species and then that species asks for mercy, then it is therefore good by default.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Jesus , Mary, and Joseph! You people wanted to kill the Rachni Queen? SciFi 101. If evil, delusional or incompetent scientists have successfully performed unethical experiments on a unknown species and then that species asks for mercy, then it is therefore good by default.

Exactly! People often cite the Rachni wars as evidence of their violent or aggressive nature, but it's pretty clear that they were indoctrinated into doing the Reapers' bidding. I'd release the queen every single time. Liara also advising to just strengthens my resolve.

I agree but at that point you know very litle of the indoctrination and you think that Saren is responsible for the indoctrination and Saren was not aroud during the Rachni wars. I always keep the Rachni alive because Liara asks of course but also because the queen always seemed honest when she says that she will not attack others peoples. 

[bjdbwea]

Were it not for Liara, my (mostly paragon) Shepard would do it. The Rachni are too dangerous, the risk is too high. Even more so with the additional Reaper threat.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 30 juin 2010 - 02:25 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Jesus , Mary, and Joseph! You people wanted to kill the Rachni Queen? SciFi 101. If evil, delusional or incompetent scientists have successfully performed unethical experiments on a unknown species and then that species asks for mercy, then it is therefore good by default.

Yep. I always kill the Rachni queen. Because i'm pro-council. Reason I also destroy the genophage cure. Can't have 2 new superpowers be made.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

But it's way OOC for Liara, I think. Unless that's what you're kinda accepting here for the purposes of suggesting added drama to the whole thing, in which case I apologise. Ooooopsie!

J what you're suggesting gives ammunition to those people who erroneously claim that Liara is "immature" and that she has a mere crush on Shepard, throwing herself at her b/c she's unable to handle her feelings and isn't emotionally capable enough to endure whatever trials and tribulations that are thrown at her. Consider the way in which Liara describes the asari union in ME1, and how it shows just how much Shepard means to her and how much trust and love is required in order for Liara to even think about entering the union with Shep. She means that much to her, and truly does see her relationships as being deep and something very special, especially in Shepard's case considering that Liara melds with her, when we know how much the asari union means to her.

Yes, it would give ammunition to people that hate Liara and wan't to erroneously say X, Y, and Z about her....who cares about them?  If not this, they'd find something else to hate on her for.  Of course Shepard means the world to Liara, but she's not wishy-washy or immature or a 'ho' or whatever if she would have these feelings....they are normal and real people have them all the time, and we've seen stuff like this before in movies and such.

Now, considering how much Shepard means to Liara when romanced, how would Liara having a fling with another be consistent with that? It works to make Liara appear emotionally weak and unstable, shallow, flighty and insincere with regards to her feelings as they were displayed in ME1. I like to think Liara is more capable and controlled that that, and wouldn't compromise or betray her love for Shepard in that manner. She's alot stronger and more mature than it is suggested if she were to do what you have speculated on. I think the same with Kaidan and the Citadel doctor. It wouldn't feel right if he were conflicted over his love for Shepard or this unnamed person. He's stronger than that, I think. Likewise with Liara.

Are you for rlz?  People have flings with people they do not love all the time, even when they are in love with another.   And I don't think this would make her seem shallow, unstable, or would undercut the things she has said in ME1 either.

Another thing, how does this decrease Shepard's Sue-ness? To me, it only increases it further. Shepard, completely in control of her emotions and able to handle everything that's thrown at her, whilst poor sweet Liara gets confused and jumps into the arms of another b/c she can't handle what she has endured, and compromises her feelings and what she was committed to. To me, it doesn't work.

But, Shepard can jump into the arms of another too.  Are you saying that Shepard's who take another LI in ME2 are shallow, unstable, flighty, not in control of their emotions, etc.?

Don't get me wrong, I agree wholeheartedly that inserting something like this into relationships increases the drama and angst, and also makes them more compelling to a certain extent. It hurts, but it's interesting. I just don't think it works in Liara's case, as it seems way OOC and as if you're damning her with the very criticisms that her detractors throw at her. There's a reason as to why I specify that when I ship Liara with Kaidan or Ashley or whoever, neither character is with Shepard. Considering the content of their respective romances, it seems way OOC. I have no problem with a Liara that has been rejected by Shepard finding love elsewhere. I'd applaud her for that, as it shows she can move on and displays her strength. But it's just a romanced Liara that has a fling on the side that makes me feel a little uneasy.

So, basically you just don't like it because of the haters.....screw the haters!   I just won't see Liara as 'weak'' if something like this happens. 

[jlb524]

muskettman87 wrote...

So, has anyone noticed the light blue skin "accents" between Liara's eyes and eyebrows? Very attractive

Yes!  She has little white freckles there too!

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Jesus , Mary, and Joseph! You people wanted to kill the Rachni Queen? SciFi 101. If evil, delusional or incompetent scientists have successfully performed unethical experiments on a unknown species and then that species asks for mercy, then it is therefore good by default.

I've never have...never will. 

[Nerevar-as]

Genocide of a sapient species? How is that pro-council? Would have liked to take her with me so she could develop in controlled conditions, but no option. Though considering the scenario you also lack the means to take her inmediately to the Normandy, Noveria kind of goes its own way with Citadel laws, and leaving it in the cage is like leaving a facehugger in a Weyland-Yutani lab.

Genophage is more difficult, you can see both how dangerous Krogan can be and also what the genophage means for them. Wonder if they tried to cure the Blood Rage instead as an alternative.

Is really the queen the inly time Liara is more paragon than Kaidan? Never took them both in the final battle (which must be quite easy with 2/3 characters with Lift).

[The BS Police]

People are looking way to much into Feron's character....



Liara has no romantic interest in Feron. Remember, the majority of the time they spent together chasing Shepard's body Feron kept on pissing Liara off because he kept on screwing everything up, they only began to show some mutual respect for one another in the last two issues and even then they barely even knew each other. Let's also not forget that even if Shepard did not get romantically involved with Liara she still may have feelings for him/her.



The fact of the matter is that Feron is more than likely dead anyway.

[jlb524]

If I recall correctly, there are really only two times in the game were your teammates give you any moral advice, the Rachni queen decision and then the saving the Council decision. Liara is more Paragon for the Rachni one while Kaidan is more Paragon for the Council one.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Genocide of a sapient species? How is that pro-council? Would have liked to take her with me so she could develop in controlled conditions, but no option. Though considering the scenario you also lack the means to take her inmediately to the Normandy, Noveria kind of goes its own way with Citadel laws, and leaving it in the cage is like leaving a facehugger in a Weyland-Yutani lab.
Genophage is more difficult, you can see both how dangerous Krogan can be and also what the genophage means for them. Wonder if they tried to cure the Blood Rage instead as an alternative.
Is really the queen the inly time Liara is more paragon than Kaidan? Never took them both in the final battle (which must be quite easy with 2/3 characters with Lift).

Because Rachni have been a danger to the galaxy before. And since it's either Kill/Release and I didn't trust the queen. I kill it.

And yes Liara is always rooting for releasing the queen no matter what. And Wrex the opposite.

[jtav]

More's the pity. *I* have a crush on Feron. I'll take him if Liara doesn't want him.