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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I do know they have mapped out the main story for the entire trilogy...I wonder if they have also done this for the original ME1 crew?

They say they have big plans for them in ME3 (the old LIs, at least) and they had to be saved from the evil ME2 suicide mission. I wonder if this SB/Liara info broker thing was even planned when the original design of the Liara character was undertaken pre-ME1?

Or, was it really just a hasty story-arc they threw together at the last minute to keep her out of ME2....

If they have the trilogy planed since the beginig then Liara and SB story arc will have no meaning because if the audio files shows something is that the SB are easly kiiled and without any kind of ramifications.

Damn straight. If they had planned the fate of all the characters in story before they made the games. Which would mean that Liara is destined to become the new SB, they just decided to put it in ME3 instead of ME2.

I'm scared now!

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

Damn straight. If they had planned the fate of all the characters in story before they made the games. Which would mean that Liara is destined to become the new SB, they just decided to put it in ME3 instead of ME2.

I'm scared now!

I wouldn't say that I think that she be the new SB was her reason to not join Shepard in ME2 but that idea was discarded because made even less sense than the one we have now. I don't think that we will ever see Liara assuming the SB place.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 30 juin 2010 - 07:50 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's role? Removing the Shadow Broker from it's position and becoming a benevolent, more Paragon version of it.

That would be fine...my Shepard loves her a powerful woman!  Though, I like the archaeologist thing too...

I don't know really...

[Nerevar-as]

Way too optimistic LES, even for full paragon. With Renegade is easier, you´ll probably wonder if it was worth saving the galaxy that way (too similar to the Witcher main plot though).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Damn straight. If they had planned the fate of all the characters in story before they made the games. Which would mean that Liara is destined to become the new SB, they just decided to put it in ME3 instead of ME2.

I'm scared now!

I wouldn't say that I think that she be the new SB was her reason to not join Shepard in ME2 but that idea was discarded because made even less sense than the one we have now. I don't think that we will ever see that.

Still. Imagine in ME3.

"The SB is now defeated and Liara and Shepard are in his office"
Shep: So Liara, the SB is finally defeated. Will you join me now on my quest to save the galaxy?
Liara: I'm afraid not Shepard!
Shep: But y-you sai-
Liara: You always been stupid Shepard! The only reason I let you in on this little mission was so I could ascend to become the new SB faster than on my own!
Shep: Liara please´liste-
Liara: I NOW HAVE POWER BEYOND MY WILDEST DREAMS! MUAHAHAHAHHAHA :devil:

This scenario is still possible of Casey and CO. Feels like being dicks.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe, but isn't it possible that the Paragon route through the ME trilogy is the premise of "building a better galaxy"?

Wrex introduces sweeping reforms to krogan society and strengthens the race as a whole.
Humanity's admittance into the Citadel Council opens the door to the inclusion of other species, thereby creating a Citadel Parliament.
Tali and Legion act as liasons and broker peace between the quarians and the geth.
The Rachni are free to live and prosper.
Humanity and the Alliance continue to integrate itself peacefully into galactic society, with new human Spectre Ashley or Kaidan serving as a symbol.
Miranda usurps TIM's position as head of Cerberus and transforms the organisation into something more virtuous.

Liara's role? Removing the Shadow Broker from it's position and becoming a benevolent, more Paragon version of it.

Is this not possible, do you think?

I doubt it. There was absolutely nothing to link Liara to the Shadow Broker in any way in ME1.

I think if thats how it turns out, its just Bioware being lazy and cutting corners, since its easier to deal with them that way, rather than bring them back as squadmates in a satisfying fashion.

I wouldnt bother playing ME3 for a number of potential reasons, and one of them is Liara continuing in a supporting NPC role, rather than coming back as a squadmate again. That is after all why folks started using these banners to begin with: to voice the opinion that nothing less than a squadmate role should be given to said characters in ME3.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara can still be a
squadmate in ME3 with her information network, and she could also use it
for the power of good. It isn't inherently evil or corrupt. Liara could
do things like reunite people with estranged parents, or expose
corruption in politics. She could use her power and influence for the
power of good.

No, thats not very likely. ME always make a point that the galaxy is a dirty place deep down, and its what keeps things moving. Even Liaras role in ME2 does that.

I think if "Liara takes over as the SB" not only would that preclude her being a squadmate (since the idea of her just shrugging off such a demanding position as easily as saying "hold my calls" is pretty unlikely), but the idea that Liara could "use the position for good" is equally unlikely. If Liara started injected her own morals into her work, shed be out of the business before you could blink.

No, Im fully against Liara taking over as the SB. I think thats why they added the "dont turn into the thing youre hunting" line. How does Liara assuming the postion of someone she so irrationally hates without any real reason make any sense at all?

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 30 juin 2010 - 08:07 .

[Master Wolf]

Liara will never be a good SB the SB is brutal not because he wants but because he needs to be in order to keep is empire, if Liara becames the new SB with time she will become like the SB is now look what the two last years as information broker have done to her. For much will that Liara has to be a good information broker that's not how the job works the competitors will always play dirty and like for the past two years she will be forced to do bad things in order to suvive especialy if she is in the SB place.

The job is not inherently bad or corrupt but the competitors will make this necessary in order to survive.And where will Liara find money to pay contacts and run the organization doing so good things like reuniting families and exposing corrupt politics?

Modifié par Master Wolf, 30 juin 2010 - 08:06 .

[jlb524]

I agree with you Les...I believe people just think Liara herself can't handle the power and it will corrupt her, and she will go nuts

[Erinlana]

Hi Guys ! *hugs*

[jlb524]

Hi Erin!

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dink...possibly. But like I said above, Liara assuming the SB's position of power doesn't necessarily preclude her from being a squaddie again. Likewise with Ashley or Kaidan being Spectres and answering only to the Council. Liara could leave her network behind and run it in name only, and leave behind a team that manages it by committee, and who delegates to her whilst she's on board the Normandy saving the galaxy. It could be something like that, IDK.

In ME2 she says to Shepard that he is the only one she trusts to hack the terminals that she can't trust any one else where will she arrange a trusting people to run the organization?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dink...possibly. But like I said above, Liara assuming the SB's position of power doesn't necessarily preclude her from being a squaddie again. Likewise with Ashley or Kaidan being Spectres and answering only to the Council. Liara could leave her network behind and run it in name only, and leave behind a team that manages it by committee, and who delegates to her whilst she's on board the Normandy saving the galaxy. It could be something like that, IDK.

Yeah, but then shes not the SB any more is she really?

Id much rather her kill/not kill the SB and it be one of the major revelations of the game, rather than have her take it over.

I think folks are taking the whole "foremost galactic information broker" thing too lightly. Even without exerting her own influence on the network, Liara by virtue of taking over the position alone and being a known entity this time, rather than an absolute mystery would probably gain more assassins tracking her than can be easily counted.

I think really when you think about what the SB actually does, and how it does it, Liara taking over becomes a really unrealisitc prospect.

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

In ME2 she says to Shepard that he is the only one she trusts to hack the terminals that she can't trust any one else where will she arrange a trusting people to run the organization?

That thing was just a lame excuse to get the player to do the stupid hacking mini-game.  I'm not sure why Liara wouldn't have the ability to hack them herself.

[Erinlana]

I can't imagine Liara being the SB it doesn't seem to be in her nature.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Erinlana wrote...

I can't imagine Liara being the SB it doesn't seem to be in her nature.

Or with all due respect to Liara, within her own abilities.

Lets remember we have absolutely no idea what the hell the SB even is.

It could be a super-advanced AI able to easily take on the thousands of tasks moment-to-moment that are undoubtedly necessary for the smooth running of the network of an entire known galaxys secrets.

Some people even think the SB is connected to the reapers (though the comic book depiction of the collector conversation doesnt support that IMO).

I think it should be Liaras job to expose and bring down the SB and its network, not assume control of it.

[jlb524]

I am very curious what they will do with her...I just want her baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!



Her becoming the SB may not happen, wouldn't fit with her personality or make sense., but I still think it would be incredibly sexy.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

In ME2 she says to Shepard that he is the only one she trusts to hack the terminals that she can't trust any one else where will she arrange a trusting people to run the organization?

That thing was just a lame excuse to get the player to do the stupid hacking mini-game.  I'm not sure why Liara wouldn't have the ability to hack them herself.

I think that she can't do that on her own because she needs to be in her office to open a door to her system in order to Shepard upload the info, but this leaves her system unprotected so she need someone that she trusts.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah...yeah you're right.

What I do want to make clear though is that, to me, Liara in a squadmate role is something I greatly prefer. I can handle her having a major NPC role as the quest giver or something if it's written well and features alot of interaction with her. If not, then I want her as a squaddie, dammit!

The problem is LET that if Liara isnt a squadmate, her role will naturally be inferior to whatever character are the squadmates. Even in ME2, where countless people have complained that character interaction, injection and general banter were extremely lacking, the squadmates are the most prominent characters in the game, given the most attention.

Compare even one of the most fleshed out characters, like Aria, to a squadmate like Mordin, Thane or Samara, and there is a massive difference.

For me, anything less than a squadmate role is guaranteed disappointment. Like I always say, Anderson had a great role in ME1, really important to the plot. Doesnt change the fact that for about 80-90% of the game, hes completely absent.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

I am very curious what they will do with her...I just want her baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!

Her becoming the SB may not happen, wouldn't fit with her personality or make sense., but I still think it would be incredibly sexy.

I also just want her back with Shepard.

And Liara is always incredibly sexy.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 30 juin 2010 - 08:25 .