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[Marcin K]

going offline overnight, cya all tomorrow:)

[Sakhalin]

Liara's so blue and adorable like Blue from Blue's Clues! And Blue is a girl dog!

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

It's terrible... the whole game feels empty without her.

No kidding. There's a reason as to why the ME2 playthrough I will be starting in a few days will only be the second time I've played through the game in it's entirety. I missed Liara so much! It felt awful not having her there, I felt her absence so much. I hope I'll be able to enjoy the game a little more this time, but it's still going to hurt.

It's very hard to play ME2 without Liara is even more dificult when we are forced to leave her alone in her office without propely confort her. It's even harder for me I play as an adep every time I use singularity ( and use it a lot)  I think in Liara and how much she has sufered.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

also, I forgot to add: it's good to have some more maleshep/Liara fanart.

[Sakhalin]

yorkj86 wrote...

Sakhalin wrote...

Liara's so blue and adorable like Blue from Blue's Clues! And Blue is a girl dog!

And Blue likes to look for clues, just like Liara.

ZING!


@ratz - Yeah the game does feel so empty without her.  That's why I don't really play ME2 anymore unless its for DLC, and I might play it right before ME3.  The only character that I truly really liked gets botched in the sequel.  *cries*

[Sakhalin]

yorkj86 wrote...

Blue also has spots on her that are a different color than the rest of her body, just like Liara. The clues are all coming together. It makes so much sense now!

But Blue never got botched.  I haz a sad.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Huh, that's a very interesting and unique way of being reminded to Liara, and her absence. Literally after every single mission, I always went up to Shepard's cabin and stared at the photograph for some time. I must have spent absolutely ages in front of that desk, thinking back to the days when Liara was at my side, exploring the depths of the galaxy together...

Gah! Too much sad.

I also go see Liara picture after every misson (that's the reason my fish survive) and every time I'm on Ilium I go see Liara I like to imagine that every time Shepard is on Ilium Liara and Shepard spend some time together perhaps having diner and even ending the night embarcing eternety in Liara apartement or Shepard's cabin is all imagination but it helps go to the torture that is ME2 without Liara.

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't think that Liara's character has been botched or butchered to the extent that some of you make out. It could be very compelling and believeable, IF it receives the exposition and clarification it desperately needs.

It makes sense why she is what she is now, it's how it was excuted (bad Shepard dialog, we have no clue what she has been doing since she gave Shepard away.)

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't think that Liara's character has been botched or butchered to the extent that some of you make out. It could be very compelling and believeable, IF it receives the exposition and clarification it desperately needs.

It makes sense why she is what she is now, it's how it was excuted (bad Shepard dialog, we have no clue what she has been doing since she gave Shepard away.)

I guess that for the missions she asks us to do he get a good idea of what she have been doing. For me the problem is also Shepard bad dialoge, lack of emotions, the lack of romance dialoge, the reasons behind  Liara hunt for the SB should have a beter explanation and the most important of all we should have been able to confort Liara in a meaningfull way. But the current Liara's story has a lot of potencial if it's done right.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:13 .

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To me, Liara ultimately shows enough care and love for Shepard when she eventually opens up. She reveals the reason as to why she's been somewhat distant on an emotional level. She then drops her emotional barriers and walls and confesses her guilt and fear. She shows that she still cares deeply. Shepard, on the other hand? Emotions of a dried turnip.

I agree that line shows how much Liara love Shepard. You should try my way to justify Shepard lack of emotion I imagine that Shepard don't confort Liara because he belives that when he makes Liara understand that revenge will not make her happy but being reunited with her love will she will want join Shepard imediatly and Shepard don't want that the misson is to dangerous. And he only asks the first time for Liara to join him because he don't want her to think that he doesn't want her with him but when she says no he is somewhat relived. Like I siad the misson is to dangerous for Shepard risk having Liara with him.

[Nerevar-as]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To me, Liara ultimately shows enough care and love for Shepard when she eventually opens up. She reveals the reason as to why she's been somewhat distant on an emotional level. She then drops her emotional barriers and walls and confesses her guilt and fear. She shows that she still cares deeply. Shepard, on the other hand? Emotions of a dried turnip.

A proper dialog there would have made the player cheating unlikely. The writer must have been desperate to have Shepard move to a ME2 LI. Didn´t work with me, though i considered it after Horizon, would have cheated on Ash if they hadn´t gone with the aliens dislike line. Liara? Never.

[jlb524]

Sakhalin wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Blue also has spots on her that are a different color than the rest of her body, just like Liara. The clues are all coming together. It makes so much sense now!

But Blue never got botched.  I haz a sad.

Indeed. 

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That's a very interesting perspective. Shepard was actually being insincere in asking Liara to join, and actually wanted her to be absent so as not to risk her life? Hmm, plausible, I guess. I do find it kind of odd that Shepard doesn't ask Liara to join again after she opens up. People often use that as another stick to beat Liara, but conveniently forget that Shepard only ever asks Liara once.

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

[kraidy1117]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

It makes sense why she is what she is now, it's how it was excuted (bad Shepard dialog, we have no clue what she has been doing since she gave Shepard away.)

Exactly. I have no problem with the direction they're taking her or anything like that. Through reading between the lines and analysing Liara's dialogue and actions in ME2, I feel that there is great potential thhere and, if handled better, could ultimately turn out to be extremely satisfying and compelling. I feel that it's believable for Liara's character to be acting in this fashion.

But like you said kraidy, the problem lies in it's execution. It needs to be explained and elaborated on to a far greater extent. It's in dire need of it.

This goes with the comic. People think the comic is about Liara turing into the ME2 Liara. It's not. It tells us how Cerberus got Shepard, showed how much Liara cared for Shepard, introduced people if they ever played Galaxy or read Ascension to Miri and TIM.

It was not about Liaras change, Liaras change took two years, the comic does take two years . I look at it this way, the comic shows that Liara has finnly snapped(and not in the way you think)

-Her mother died and in my case, she killed her mother
-She found out the fate of the Protheans
-She saw Shepard die
-A person she did not care for sacerficed himself for Liara and a corpse
-She is then told that all she did might not even matter

All of this snapped Liara, and in two years she became what she is now, with the old Liara hidden underneth and we see that come out when she first meets Shepard and when she tells Shepard how she got his body.