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[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

-Her mother died and in my case, she killed her mother
-She found out the fate of the Protheans
-She saw Shepard die
-A person she did not care for sacerficed himself for Liara and a corpse
-She is then told that all she did might not even matter

Yeah, people forget she's dealt with a lot of crap in a very very short amount of time.  I doubt she has faced many hardships previous to this, and would have lived a comfortable and charmed life her entire youth.  She has been introduced to the darkness in the galaxy in a brief but intense 'crash course'.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

From what you've said before though, J, I do get the impression that you believe that the whole situation with Liara in ME2 does have incredible potential if it's treated to the exposition it deserved, and refined and clarified in that manner. If BioWare did so, whether it's in the Liara DLC or whatever, then it could be very interesting and compelling.

It had potential...everything bad had potential.  That's why a botching is even considered a 'botching' in the first place...you are messing up something that could have been good.

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Least you guys got a kiss <_< My Shepard was standing around like a moron.

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Least you guys got a kiss <_< My Shepard was standing around like a moron.

If you'r talking about the Horizon reunion then there's only one thing to say.

It's been along time Kraidy. How you been?

[kraidy1117]

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Least you guys got a kiss <_< My Shepard was standing around like a moron.

If you'r talking about the Horizon reunion then there's only one thing to say.

It's been along time Kraidy. How you been?

Don't forget the hug!!!!! but then my heart was ripped out, stabed, stomped on, spat on and then given back to me.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Least you guys got a kiss <_< My Shepard was standing around like a moron.

If you'r talking about the Horizon reunion then there's only one thing to say.

It's been along time Kraidy. How you been?

Don't forget the hug!!!!! but then my heart was ripped out, stabed, stomped on, spat on and then given back to me.

And as I said before. It should happen again in ME3 but this time. From both LI's! :devil:

Enjoy your second troubled second act! MUAHAHA

[kraidy1117]

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's botched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing reeks of crap!

It's crappy and contrived writing, in this case on Shepard's part, in order to maintain the status quo of the "troubled second act". That's what it is!

Mac couldn't write a convincing "troubled" scenario, so he just decided to pretend the romance never happened.  The animation team realized that there was NO romantice dialogue whatsoever, so they had to scramble and figure out a way to convey a rocky relationship witout any vocal cues. Hence.... the awful half-kiss.

Least you guys got a kiss <_< My Shepard was standing around like a moron.

If you'r talking about the Horizon reunion then there's only one thing to say.

It's been along time Kraidy. How you been?

Don't forget the hug!!!!! but then my heart was ripped out, stabed, stomped on, spat on and then given back to me.

And as I said before. It should happen again in ME3 but this time. From both LI's! :devil:

Enjoy your second troubled second act! MUAHAHA

NOOO! My heart could not take that crap again

[ratzerman]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

-Her mother died and in my case, she killed her mother
-She found out the fate of the Protheans
-She saw Shepard die
-A person she did not care for sacerficed himself for Liara and a corpse
-She is then told that all she did might not even matter

Yeah, people forget she's dealt with a lot of crap in a very very short amount of time.  I doubt she has faced many hardships previous to this, and would have lived a comfortable and charmed life her entire youth.  She has been introduced to the darkness in the galaxy in a brief but intense 'crash course'.

I agree that Liara have been through a lot in a very very short amount of time but I don't think that her childhood was that easy as a pure blood asari she probably had to deal with the preconception her whole life and even in her professional life she is ignored because of her age this is very fruttrating knowing that you are right and that people don't belive in you just because you are young.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 01 juillet 2010 - 11:13 .

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kraidy1117 wrote...

NOOO! My heart could not take that crap again

Don't worry Kraidy! You can continue the romance if you want, or you could move on to these far more new and compelling LI's. Whaddya say old buddy?

[kraidy1117]

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NOOO! My heart could not take that crap again

Don't worry Kraidy! You can continue the romance if you want, or you could move on to these far more new and compelling LI's. Whaddya say old buddy?

I don't want new sh*tty LIs.... I want the old ones back!

[ratzerman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

He didn't have too much on his plate. He destroyed her character on purpose because she wasn't his creation.
:happy:

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

But even the Wrex cameo had glarring oversights (Tali/Garrus not acknowlegded more specificly). Just kinda shows of that the only proper cameo's were Gianna's and Shiala's.

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NOOO! My heart could not take that crap again

Don't worry Kraidy! You can continue the romance if you want, or you could move on to these far more new and compelling LI's. Whaddya say old buddy?

We all know how the continuation of the romance was (badly)donne in ME2

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NOOO! My heart could not take that crap again

Don't worry Kraidy! You can continue the romance if you want, or you could move on to these far more new and compelling LI's. Whaddya say old buddy?

We all know how the continuation of the romance was (badly)donne in ME2

Thats ze joke mein freund.

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

I agree that Liara have been through a lot in a very very short amount of time but I don't think that her childhood was that easy as a pure blood asari she probably had to deal with the preconception her whole life and even in her professional life she is ignored because of her age this is very fruttrating knowing that you are right and that people don't belive in you just because you are young.

Yeah, but that's nothing like the crap she's had to deal with recently.   Being teased for being a pureblood sucks, so does having your worked ignored just due to age.  But that's minor compared to finding out that the extinct species you had been studying for 50 years was wiped out by a race of sentient machines that are trying to come back to do the same thing.  Or, watching your indoctrinated mother die right in front of you.

[kraidy1117]

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

But even the Wrex cameo had glarring oversights (Tali/Garrus not acknowlegded more specificly). Just kinda shows of that the only proper cameo's were Gianna's and Shiala's.

That does not bug me at all, it would be nice but with Wrex, his cameo made sence, it was well-done, it was touching and he was still important. (Also no one said anything to those two you listed at all )

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know, but some people complain about the direction itself, and how they don't like what they perceive "Liara is becoming". That's not ever seeing the potential in Liara's ME2 character and story arc, that's thinking it's bad by default. I feel that you and I are one of the same in that we do not mind Liara's character direction and what they're attempting to do with her, but just feel that the execution is extremely poor.

Yes, I've said that in the past...I agree.  The story arc and direction has potential, but was handled poorly.

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

He didn't have too much on his plate. He destroyed her character on purpose because she wasn't his creation.
:happy:

Ratz it's only bad because he decided to give Shepard the worse dialog ever. I can keep the same cameo scene but write good dialog for Shepard and it would have been better. Characters that stay the same after two years, and ho through what Liara did and stay the same would have sucked and been borining. i love change, but Shepard acted like a dead door.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Walters could if he would have put work into that scene. or he gave Liara to someone else since he was busy with too many things on his plate.

Sorry, man.... you'll never get me to say anything nice about that guy.

What can I say, I am a little bias to Walters.......... simply because he wrote one of my fav characters and gave him the best cameo scene in the game. That shows me Walters could have made Liara's scene amazing, he just had too many important thing and did't really care. It's the sad bitter truth.

But even the Wrex cameo had glarring oversights (Tali/Garrus not acknowlegded more specificly). Just kinda shows of that the only proper cameo's were Gianna's and Shiala's.

That does not bug me at all, it would be nice but with Wrex, his cameo made sence, it was well-done, it was touching and he was still important. (Also no one said anything to those two you listed at all )

It was certainly good enough. But I'll still consider the fact that Wrex doesn't say anything to Garrus or Tali an large oversight. Or one the two squadmembers not saying anything to Wrex for that sake. It's somewhat jarring.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know, but some people complain about the direction itself, and how they don't like what they perceive "Liara is becoming". That's not ever seeing the potential in Liara's ME2 character and story arc, that's thinking it's bad by default. I feel that you and I are one of the same in that we do not mind Liara's character direction and what they're attempting to do with her, but just feel that the execution is extremely poor.

Yes, I've said that in the past...I agree.  The story arc and direction has potential, but was handled poorly.

Liara=good in ME2
Shepard during that scene= sh*t
results= The scene failed hard and is poked at because of Shepard not Liara.